So you need a new fleet Leigh?

[Keg]

Originally Posted by Keith Myath

You have stated a number of times that JQ international have more aircraft than Qantas international. How do you arrive at that proposition?

Nope, he’s stated many times that JQ international’s figures aren’t split from the rest of the JQ flying and that the JQ segment has more aircraft than QF. The first is accurate, the second....

Jetstar
787
11 Jetstar Airways (JQ)

A320
53 Jetstar Airways (JQ)
18 Jetstar Asia (3K)
20 Jetstar Japan (GK)
8 Jetstar Pacific (BL)

A321
6 Jetstar Airways (JQ)
2 Jetstar Pacific (BL)

Dash 8-300
5 Jetstar Airways operated by EAA.

Total: 126

Qantas
A380
12

787
4

747
10* (reducing and not doing the flying of ten).

A330
28

737
75

Total: 129

How to measure the profit? Per ASK? Longhaul is lower due to the longer distances. The QF FF scheme generates most of it’s profit because people want to fly QF aeroplanes, not Jetstar, so that needs to be factored in too.

(Jetstar fleet data from their website. QF’s from a third party source due to the QF website not listing it explicitly that I could find easily).

[V-Jet]

Qantas never had 12 747-300’s. In the early 2000’s, They had 6 300’s Plus 5 200’s and 2 SP’s. By 2005 all the 200’s and SP’s had gone.

Very moot point but SP’s I was pretty sure had long gone by 2000 - and I’m almost as sure all the 200’s had gone. I’ve asked a few people over the last year or so and that was the ‘consensus’ of all. If anyone’s has got better recollection than that, I’d be interested.

Whats more important is that Qf isn’t Just stagnating, it’s being shrunk - and without any new orders from this CEO, it ain’t looking pretty. Like a funeral parlour not ordering coffins!!

[SandyPalms]

Fair enough V-Jet, you may be right about the SP’s and the 200’s, I can’t remember when they left, but your numbers are still inaccurate.

[Ken Borough]

Originally Posted by V-Jet

Very moot point but SP’s I was pretty sure had long gone by 2000 - and I’m almost as sure all the 200’s had gone. I’ve asked a few people over the last year or so and that was the ‘consensus’ of all. If anyone’s has got better recollection than that, I’d be interested.

Not so. As at 1st January 2000 there were two SPs (EAA & EAB) and three -200s (ECB, ECC & EBS) still flying along with the six -300s. I stand to be corrected but this is my best memory.

[maggot]

Originally Posted by V-Jet

Very moot point but SP’s I was pretty sure had long gone by 2000 - and I’m almost as sure all the 200’s had gone. I’ve asked a few people over the last year or so and that was the ‘consensus’ of all. If anyone’s has got better recollection than that, I’d be interested.

SPs went late 00/early 01 iirc
200s lasted a little longer

[GA Driver]

Seeing you’re doing like for like with the jq entities, might need to add in a few dash 8’s to inflate the Qf numbers for the ‘link. Whilst you’re doing that, might need to add a few 717’s for that link and a few a320’s for a the new link!

[Keg]

Originally Posted by GA Driver

Seeing you’re doing like for like with the jq entities, might need to add in a few dash 8’s to inflate the Qf numbers for the ‘link. Whilst you’re doing that, might need to add a few 717’s for that link and a few a320’s for a the new link!

Nope. The QLink 717, A320 and Dash 8 operation are reported separately to the mainline domestic and international figures. Hence why they should not be included when comparing fleet numbers and overall profit between ‘mainline’ and Jetstar. IE QLink are not ‘mainline’ for the purposes we are currently talking.

However, the Jetstar NZ profits (or losses because let’s be honest, no one would know from the annual report) are reported as part of the overall Jetstar performance. Therefore it’s appropirate that their fleet (including the Dash 8s) are included.

interestingly I think it was the Cutest of Borg who a number of years ago nailed JQ’s rubbery figures when they were including NZ domestic pax as part of their ‘stunning international growth’ numbers.

[RealityCzech]

Might want to also track a few other RatedDe claims:

1. Network A320s to be crewed by Jetstar pilots.
2. 457 visa application for Qantas mainline pilots
3. Supposed new and indefinite training freeze applying to Qantas 737 pilots

Any of these actually true?

[V-Jet]

RC: Much as I think I could have a better conversation about business and profitability with a child of three (because it’s obvious you personally have none) I ask the following question with some trepidation, as what is good for the goose, should equally be good for the gander, but:

Can you attest that they (RD’s) claims aren’t?

Thanks for the input regarding 2005 fleet. It occurred to me a while ago that no one has a record of shrinkage off the top of their heads. I think it’s important to remember what was, compared to what is.

[RealityCzech]

Originally Posted by V-Jet

Can you attest that they aren’t?

No, but I'm not the one making the claims, nor have I seen any other evidence to suggest they're true.

[V-Jet]

Ahhhhh - but you have, and on many occasions. Evidence please.....

PS: Are you on overtime - a long day at the Kool Aid Counter for you. My sympathies.

[Beer Baron]

V-Jet, fair go. I’m no fan of RC or Qantas’ strategy but you can’t expect someone to disprove any wild accusation or rumour that an anonymous poster may choose to make.

It is surely encumbent on the person making the allegation to prove its veracity, not for others to have to prove it false.

[V-Jet]

Originally Posted by Beer Baron

V-Jet, fair go. I’m no fan of RC or Qantas’ strategy but you can’t expect someone to disprove any wild accusation or rumour that an anonymous poster may choose to make.

It is surely encumbent on the person making the allegation to prove its veracity, not for others to have to prove it false.

Post hoc ergo propter hoc.... Or (slightly differently) Why is it that staff are always asked to provide evidence when surely that is the job of people paid millions to do exactly that?

Rather than say 'Give us proof JQ will be more than 12(?? something like that) aircraft - Your claims are baseless, we will never do that!'. Which (as was suspected at the time) is/was/and always will be/ patent nonsense at best and a criminal lie at worst - Why not just provide the proof up front that the allegations are just nonsense?

Up to this point, Qf Management have been an absolute case in point that their words are totally untrustworthy and they lie as a matter of course. So - turn the questions on their heads for a change. So - 'Sorry, commercial in confidence' just doesn't cut it anymore.

The burden of accuracy in this case seems to have been levied (for decades now) upon the innocent questioners. Provide proof. Surely simple enough to defeat the questions with facts that a few quarrelsome drones in Sector 7G might ask. Can't be hard....

Stop apologising for asking simple questions!!! If they can't be answered simply - I guarantee obfuscation and lies are involved....

[SandyPalms]

Hey V-Jet. What would you say to somebody who was making a complete Ass of themselves? Just curious.

[V-Jet]

If history is anything to go by, they would be paid in the region of $25m a year. Why do you ask?

[Street garbage]

Originally Posted by RealityCzech

Might want to also track a few other RatedDe claims:

1. Network A320s to be crewed by Jetstar pilots.
2. 457 visa application for Qantas mainline pilots
3. Supposed new and indefinite training freeze applying to Qantas 737 pilots

Any of these actually true?

Number 1 is correct, there are at least 2 Jetstar Captains doing training at Network....

[ExtraShot]

Might want to also track a few other RatedDe claims:

1. Network A320s to be crewed by Jetstar pilots.

I understand that JQ Check and/or Training Captains have been on leave without pay at this entity from day one... so, correct. It wouldn’t surprise if it had been canvassed to allow other A320 rated crews to transfer across to perhaps take promotions if/when the numbers at JQ allowed it, therefore the rumour (then posted to a ‘pilots rumour network’) is started.

As for the other two? Again, It’s a rumour network. Post evidence to the contrary (‘quash’ the rumour), otherwise it’s entirely plausible that these options have been considered, ergo they are a subject of discussion.

[RealityCzech]

Originally Posted by Street garbage

Number 1 is correct, there are at least 2 Jetstar Captains doing training at Network....

Doing training? Seeings the actual jets are ex-JQ and JQ has an experienced A320 training base and is in the Qnatas group, this is hardly surprising. Kind of like how Jetstar 787 pilots trained Qantas pilots on the 787 too. Not sure this amounts to the whole Network A320 operations being planned to be crewed by JQ pilots long term. Also kind of like how QF trainers went on LWOP to places like EFA to train. Didn't mean the entire EFA operation ended up being crewed by mainline.

As for the other 2 - I have no proof either for or against them. Apparently neither do you either. If you reckon that means people should be able to just post anything unsubstantiated and not be challenged on it, good for you. But when I see someone posing as some Europe-based aviation expert when they are clearly not, I question their real motive for posting random and fear-creating rumours.

[V-Jet]

If you reckon that means people should be able to just post anything unsubstantiated and not be challenged on it, good for you.

Hehe That’s worked extremely well for Joyce! He’s made a career out of proclaiming complete fallacies across TV, tabloid, print and social media nationwide and internationally. He hasn’t been seriously challenged on it, so why shouldn’t others?

[*Lancer*]

Qantas operated the 747-200 and SP into 2002. Just one of the many other ‘facts’ on this thread!