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The two issues are completely different IMO. The US regionals are employing Australians on the E3 visa because they have insufficient pilots who meet the FAA minimums to fly for a part 121operation. Qlink on the other hand have a steady supply of pilots who meet their minimum requirements, but are being bypassed for foreign pilots assumingly to save time, money and resources on training locals.
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I know everyone ( other than management) would like to think what you are saying is correct...but read the EBA and company manuals.
DEC’s aren’t restricted.
DEC’s aren’t restricted.
Chatter from the folks on the other side of the table.
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Good to see they haven’t been lead down the garden path....
If qlink are so desperate for pilots, why are people still being deferred after being unsuccessful with jetstar/qf mainline?
Mainline has been extremely competitive over the last 12 months, many good pilots have attended assesment days and not quite made the mark....and then get told they also can’t apply qlink (back up plan) for a whole year? Why not 3-6 months? I understand Rex are letting applicants resit testing.
If qlink are so desperate for pilots, why are people still being deferred after being unsuccessful with jetstar/qf mainline?
Mainline has been extremely competitive over the last 12 months, many good pilots have attended assesment days and not quite made the mark....and then get told they also can’t apply qlink (back up plan) for a whole year? Why not 3-6 months? I understand Rex are letting applicants resit testing.
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If qlink are so desperate for pilots, why are people still being deferred after being unsuccessful with jetstar/qf mainline?
Difficult as it is, eventually the system will recognise a changed paradigm, but when their model has operated on unlimited supply for decades and acceptance that this no longer true will take time.
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Their systems are not equipped to either identify declining supply nor understand its source.
Difficult as it is, eventually the system will recognise a changed paradigm, but when their model has operated on unlimited supply for decades and acceptance that this no longer true will take time.
Difficult as it is, eventually the system will recognise a changed paradigm, but when their model has operated on unlimited supply for decades and acceptance that this no longer true will take time.
Last year when qlink opened recruiting it seemed like every GA I bumped into had an application in....one year later and they have to run road shows to spark interest. HR have done a fine job of pushing pilots away.
It seems they are desperately short of captains, so why create plans to hire 200 hour pilots that will be fo’s until the 2020’s?
It seems they are desperately short of captains, so why create plans to hire 200 hour pilots that will be fo’s until the 2020’s?
Nunc est bibendum
For those who are in Australia I wouldn't stress too much about QFLink getting too many pilots from overseas. These are the retirements from the big 4 and FedEx over the next 5 years.
Delta
2018-415
2019-513
2020-602
2021-789
2022-851
United
2018- 373
2019- 403
2020- 406
2021- 491
2022- 463
FedEx
2018: 177
2019: 144
2020: 178
2021: 206
2022: 211
American Airlines
2018 261
2019 375
2020 499
2021 572
2022 641
Southwest
2018- 110
2019- 135
2020- 164
2021- 206
2022- 195
Given the flow on from all of these retirements do you reckon a Dash 8 F/O (or similar low time pilot) in the US even needs to come to Australia? So a handful (or even less) from Hawaii isn't going to even dent the demand that Aussie regionals and majors have for pilots over the next few years. Quite the opposite given the numbers from above. Aussie pilots can expect to be offered gigs in the US and if they get desperate, they'll start offering $$$ as well.
Delta
2018-415
2019-513
2020-602
2021-789
2022-851
United
2018- 373
2019- 403
2020- 406
2021- 491
2022- 463
FedEx
2018: 177
2019: 144
2020: 178
2021: 206
2022: 211
American Airlines
2018 261
2019 375
2020 499
2021 572
2022 641
Southwest
2018- 110
2019- 135
2020- 164
2021- 206
2022- 195
Given the flow on from all of these retirements do you reckon a Dash 8 F/O (or similar low time pilot) in the US even needs to come to Australia? So a handful (or even less) from Hawaii isn't going to even dent the demand that Aussie regionals and majors have for pilots over the next few years. Quite the opposite given the numbers from above. Aussie pilots can expect to be offered gigs in the US and if they get desperate, they'll start offering $$$ as well.
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As a German friend once explained to me, the untranslatable schadenfreude is "like watching a brand new Mercedes have a head-on collision with a brand new BMW".
As a German friend once explained to me, the untranslatable schadenfreude is "like watching a brand new Mercedes have a head-on collision with a brand new BMW".
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Airline management has been asleep at the wheel and it's now catching up with them. All the airlines (and ALPA/APA/IBT, etc) now facing huge retirements have known from the moment a pilot was hired when he'd retire; they took no steps to head it off (increasing the age to 65 is irrelevant as 67 would be). The brewing storm was a known phenomenon.
They'll find a way to fill the seats but watching them squirm and scramble is entertaining.
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At the end of the day Airlines are going to have to provide either
A) A lifestyle allowing adequate rest and family time combined with a respectful company culture and adequate salary, or,
B) Massive salaries.
Keep in mind though that the impending shortage is of experience, not newly minted licences. Airlines can buy/provide licences, they will have to scrap over experience.
A) A lifestyle allowing adequate rest and family time combined with a respectful company culture and adequate salary, or,
B) Massive salaries.
Keep in mind though that the impending shortage is of experience, not newly minted licences. Airlines can buy/provide licences, they will have to scrap over experience.
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Originally Posted by 73qanda
Keep in mind though that the impending shortage is of experience, not newly minted licences. Airlines can buy/provide licences, they will have to scrap over experience.
He said: “There are lots of pilots in the market – there aren’t many who have the qualifications to fly as a captain.” As reported earlier this month in The Irish Times, Mr Walsh said Aer Lingus had recently received 3,000 applications for 100 pilot jobs.
Human resources
Under Mr Walsh’s leadership, IAG has increased its workforce from 57,000 employees in 2011 to 63,000 employees today but Mr Walsh said that IAG doesn’t have a human resources (HR) department.
He said: “It is something I do slightly differently – I refuse to have a HR department.”
He told the packed audience that “outsourcing your management of people to a HR department is wrong”.
He said: “We all have a responsibility to the people that we work with and for . . . It is fascinating to see how an organisation tries to create one and comes up with innovative names and as soon as spot them I get rid of them.”
Under Mr Walsh’s leadership, IAG has increased its workforce from 57,000 employees in 2011 to 63,000 employees today but Mr Walsh said that IAG doesn’t have a human resources (HR) department.
He said: “It is something I do slightly differently – I refuse to have a HR department.”
He told the packed audience that “outsourcing your management of people to a HR department is wrong”.
He said: “We all have a responsibility to the people that we work with and for . . . It is fascinating to see how an organisation tries to create one and comes up with innovative names and as soon as spot them I get rid of them.”
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The two issues are completely different IMO. The US regionals are employing Australians on the E3 visa because they have insufficient pilots who meet the FAA minimums to fly for a part 121operation. Qlink on the other hand have a steady supply of pilots who meet their minimum requirements, but are being bypassed for foreign pilots assumingly to save time, money and resources on training locals.
Not sure I'm following your logic. How would hiring foreign pilots save time and money? At least in the US, a new hire pilot, whether he barely meets the minimum requirements, or is very experienced in the aircraft still must go through the identical training at a Part 121 Airline. Does an airline in Oz get to say, "Well you're already flown the Dash 8, we will just give you an abbreviated training program and put you right into the airplane?"