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Old 19th Jul 2018, 22:46
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Originally Posted by Rabbitwear
Not trolling, The 330 and 787 will fit into every 45m RWY in Australia domestically, it’s a great way to ease air traffic density at the major airports and would require less crew. Same amount of passengers carried for a loss in frequency, that’s all !
45m runways is one thing, finding bays for 60m a/c in SYD/ MEL/ BNE is completely another. Business travellers want frequency (along with OTP it is one of there major requirements), only having approx 3/4 bays at these ports, with a massive decrease in frequency would send them to VOZ. Another management troll, might want to to think about the details before you announce something (Jetstar HK, RED Q??). No soup (or should I say, KPI's) for you.
It always AMAZES me how the number of management post's are linked directly to how close EBA negotiations are.

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Old 21st Jul 2018, 09:11
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For those looking for validation that the pilot shortage is down under....

A rumoured stoush is brewing between Qantas Airways limited and Sydney Airport over the rising cancellation rates.

Citing media stories regarding the shortage, it is rumoured that Sydney Airport are concerned that a growing cancellation rate shows no signs of abating.

Naturally, the operators of the best monopoly airport in the South Hemisphere have little interest in social responsibility and are more inclined to screw the populous, just because they can are concerned.

Concerned that flight cancellation rates are increasing and now beginning to impact aeronautical revenues (take offs, departures and gate use etc) dialogue is reportedly being established with Fort Fumble...

If the rumours are true and Qantas are now beginning parking the 737 fleet, one wonders where the surplus aircraft could be hidden? Early money may well be on Avalon Victoria. (camouflage nets optional)
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 09:48
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A fair few of those cancellations are due to ATFM restrictions at MEL and the restrictions imposed by single runway ops at SYD.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 10:18
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Cancellations must be happening everywhere but places like Singapore , Dubai and Hong Kong the airlines may have a bit more leverage over airport management ? Appears not to be the case in Sydney .
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 11:00
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Surely specific aircraft are not actually being parked? I expect that the equivalent reduction in hours (900-1200 per month) would be spread throughout the fleet with every hull doing 4% less work per month.

I had to laugh at the suggestion of using widebodies on domestic. Which aircraft? Parked on which gates? Both are in critically short supply already, and you cannot make a case for flying a new widebody only nine hours a day. And if you pay 5.5 hrs credit for three hours of flying then your pilot supply problem only improves incrementally. And congestion in this country is a political, not technical, problem.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 12:10
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus

I had to laugh at the suggestion of using widebodies on domestic. Which aircraft? Parked on which gates? Both are in critically short supply already, and you cannot make a case for flying a new widebody only nine hours a day.
But imagine if as well as the current 330s, you had a fleet of, say, 14 widebodies with 47.5 m span and about 220-250 seats, that weren’t brand new and didn’t owe you much. Wouldn’t that be a handy thing on the domestic network?

Oh. Oops.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 12:50
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Yeah, that old common-sense gambit, eh INTBH? I heard recently that ANA ordered some new build 767s. Given the similar geometry of our domestic network such a thing would actually be closer to meeting our needs than we currently employ.

The -321 might also be a viable alternative, especially given that wee-man ordered 10e6 of them for JetStar.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 13:07
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Originally Posted by Australopithecus
Yeah, that old common-sense gambit, eh INTBH? I heard recently that ANA ordered some new build 767s. Given the similar geometry of our domestic network such a thing would actually be closer to meeting our needs than we currently employ.

The -321 might also be a viable alternative, especially given that wee-man ordered 10e6 of them for JetStar.
the 767's ANA ordered the freighters - the pax model is no longer manufactured/offered by Boeing
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 13:15
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Originally Posted by logansi
the 767's ANA ordered the freighters - the pax model is no longer manufactured/offered by Boeing
Thanks Logansi. I didn't research the veracity of the rumour, but what you say makes sense. At any rate, the world needs a cheap 767 niche aeroplane. The DC-3-2020.
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 15:04
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Isn’t that supposed to be what Boeing are aiming at with the 797?
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Old 21st Jul 2018, 21:50
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rapacious plundering

ABC news story clearly held over to a quiet- news Sunday. The old chestnuts of pillaging, poaching and even rapacious plundering of “their pilots”.

Global pilot shortage hits Australia, with cancelled regional routes just the beginning - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 00:28
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Originally Posted by Roller Merlin
ABC news story clearly held over to a quiet- news Sunday. The old chestnuts of pillaging, poaching and even rapacious plundering of “their pilots”.

Global pilot shortage hits Australia, with cancelled regional routes just the beginning - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Dare we say it, but many nay-Sayers on this very thread, warning of the 'imminent doom' that any push back by pilots would be met with an influx of overseas applicants (from He alone knows where!) now admit they were wrong?
Australia is not exceptional, demographics there are as bad as the rest of the western hemisphere.

So pilot unions in Australia ought start delivering for their members. Delivering those things surrendered in the decades where supply exceeded demand....
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 02:45
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So pilot unions in Australia ought start delivering for their members. Delivering those things surrendered in the decades where supply exceeded demand....
Unfortunately supply still overwhelmingly exceeds demand at the main carriers in Australia (i.e. QF, JQ, VA and TT). These airlines continue to be able to be very selective.

It is a training pipeline problem...not a problem finding bums for seats. Yes, the US as well as China, the Middle East and other less desirable locations are hurting. Australian majors? Not so much. (Despite the airline Press Releases that are regurgitated as 'news')

I hope I'm proved wrong one day by the change in MO by the HR departments. The termination of psychometric tests, behavioural interview questions and cringe-worthy group exercises in favour of pilot qualification and experience assessment, simulator evaluations and reference checks.

This, coupled with increased remuneration offers and substantively better work/life balance contracts placed desperately on the table by management might mean the pilot shortage had arrived at our shores.

I sincerely hope I live to see it...but I won't hold my breath.

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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 03:29
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The only spare capacity in Qantas and I say that tounge in cheek is the 747 especially with it coming off Bne/Lax. But, OJT needs a C check in October so instead of doing it ie short term pain long term gain we shall send it to the desert. Then there’s OEB not due for a check till September next year but what the heck it can go in Feb/March. The lunatics think that in one bid period they will have unclogged the sausage machine and all will be well. ������������ might fly.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 04:06
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"Broken" is a word I hear multiple times a day, it does not matter which department the utterance is in reference too.

"Terminal Decline" has become a self-fulfilling prophecy through stripping training & investment out of the business in order to buy back shares and levitate the share price for today. Tomorrow is arriving too quickly for management to cope.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 04:14
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Originally Posted by morno
Isn’t that supposed to be what Boeing are aiming at with the 797?
Yes with an EIS of 2030... if they decide to build it that is...
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 05:22
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Whilst I have no doubt your in a better position to comment on the situation PG many of the things your saying that will be indicators are already occurring. Although when it comes to HR I think the cringe worthy questions etc is just the deluded world they live in and will continue forever more in this industry and every other.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 06:38
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China is so short of pilots that there literally is no interview. If you pass the medical, written exam, flight test and line training then you have the job. The nearest thing to an interview is checking to make sure your documents are in order.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 07:10
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Originally Posted by krismiler
China is so short of pilots that there literally is no interview. If you pass the medical, written exam, flight test and line training then you have the job. The nearest thing to an interview is checking to make sure your documents are in order.
then next minute find yourself doing a touch and go on the grass.
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Old 22nd Jul 2018, 07:21
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Originally Posted by krismiler
China is so short of pilots that there literally is no interview. If you pass the medical, written exam, flight test and line training then you have the job. The nearest thing to an interview is checking to make sure your documents are in order.
Todays email saying if you can be airborne by December there is $60K cash bonus .
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