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Old 20th Feb 2019, 08:19
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Should have written "QF Job Please"
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 06:41
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Can anyone in the know shed some light on a typical PER-LHR-PER trip for an SO commuting from the east coast (Sydney) and being Perth based.
- limits on paxing the day before
- known crash pads in Perth
- time off in LHR
- are you allowed to pax to the east coast straight after arrival back into PER?
- the time between having to do it all over again and head back west

​​​​​​​appreciate any info
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 09:51
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Originally Posted by Fujiroll76 View Post
Can anyone in the know shed some light on a typical PER-LHR-PER trip for an SO commuting from the east coast (Sydney) and being Perth based.
- limits on paxing the day before
- known crash pads in Perth
- time off in LHR
- are you allowed to pax to the east coast straight after arrival back into PER?
- the time between having to do it all over again and head back west

appreciate any info
also intersted to know what the deal is when on reserve?
can you be on the east coast while on reserve for a potential Perth to Heathrow flight?
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 09:54
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If you are Perth based, that is where you will sit reserve. If you are based on the east coast that is where you will sit reserve.

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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 10:09
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
If you are Perth based, that is where you will sit reserve. If you are based on the east coast that is where you will sit reserve. Itís complicated I know.
I know Perth based pilots, who live in Sydney, tell me theyíre on reserve while theyíre in Sydney.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 10:11
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So perhaps someone can let me know how that works....


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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 10:12
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Sure. Scheduling may be doing them favour, but you canít count on that. But you canít sit reserve in Sydney and be called out for a London. They require someone in Perth. If youíre Perth based, be prepared to actually go to Perth sometimes. Itís how it works.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 11:33
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Originally Posted by SandyPalms View Post
Sure. Scheduling may be doing them favour, but you canít count on that. But you canít sit reserve in Sydney and be called out for a London. They require someone in Perth. If youíre Perth based, be prepared to actually go to Perth sometimes. Itís how it works.
I'm confused? If your Perth based wouldn't you be prepared to be actually based in Perth. ie. not sometimes but always be in Perth?
Just asking
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 18:31
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Even as a commuter you will be expected to be in base on standby (there is a clause in the EBA allowing you to be out of base at company discretion). Iím not a Perth SO but I would imagine if a junior blank line holder you could expect 20+ Days standby in a roster if thereís no trips to do.

Before a trip they want you there 24hrs before departure, and at least one SO has been stood down for arriving too close to departure. Flights can be quite full and sometimes cancelled so always leave plenty of time to get to Perth and be adequately rested.
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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 20:00
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Originally Posted by engine out View Post
Even as a commuter you will be expected to be in base on standby (there is a clause in the EBA allowing you to be out of base at company discretion). Iím not a Perth SO but I would imagine if a junior blank line holder you could expect 20+ Days standby in a roster if thereís no trips to do.

Before a trip they want you there 24hrs before departure, and at least one SO has been stood down for arriving too close to departure. Flights can be quite full and sometimes cancelled so always leave plenty of time to get to Perth and be adequately rested.
Not correct.

Iím a 787 F/O. I pax to PER from my home in SYD on the afternoon of the departure. When the flight arrives from LHR I pax straight through to SYD. There are no formal restrictions on this. Iíve even used the ALTPAX capability to achieve the above.

If your based on the East coast for a LHR flight, you will spend 48hrs in the company hotel before operating. Note this is not a commuter based in PER, this is someone based on the East coast

As for the S/O purportedly stood down for operating on the day, I call BS on that. Iíd suggest he probably got there late for call.

Slip in LHR is now 50 odd hours. Recently reduced from 74 hours.

There is a crew commuter house in Redcliffe for $65/night which works well for standbys etc.

My quickest turnaround between London trips has been two days.

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Old 22nd Feb 2019, 21:47
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Originally Posted by IsDon01 View Post


Not correct.

Iím a 787 F/O. I pax to PER from my home in SYD on the afternoon of the departure. When the flight arrives from LHR I pax straight through to SYD. There are no formal restrictions on this. Iíve even used the ALTPAX capability to achieve the above.

If your based on the East coast for a LHR flight, you will spend 48hrs in the company hotel before operating. Note this is not a commuter based in PER, this is someone based on the East coast

As for the S/O purportedly stood down for operating on the day, I call BS on that. Iíd suggest he probably got there late for call.

Slip in LHR is now 50 odd hours. Recently reduced from 74 hours.

There is a crew commuter house in Redcliffe for $65/night which works well for standbys etc.

My quickest turnaround between London trips has been two days.
Thanks for the comments. Appreciate it
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 03:32
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As for the S/O purportedly stood down for operating on the day, I call BS on that
As I understand it, the S/O in question was paxing to Perth (possibly Alt Paxing), missed his flight but arranged to pax on another carrier that was arriving in Perth just prior to the PER-LHR departure time. He did make it to the aircraft in time but had some other less-than-ideal 'notoriety' at the time which, combined with his paxing efforts, led to some Company sanctions.

At the end of the day, if you're Perth based then you are required to be available in Perth under the terms of the EA with regard to standby's and other duties. At the moment, how you get to the airport at the required time and fit for duty is up to you if you choose to commute from elsewhere.

If you negotiate to do a standby from Sydney or similar; good for you. I commute from Brisbane to Melbourne and have managed to negotiate quite a few standbys in Brissy, but that's usually been when there's the potential for me to be more useful to them in Brissy than Melbourne - eg: US to SYD/MEL flights diverting to Bris.

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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 03:59
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I'm confused? If your Perth based wouldn't you be prepared to be actually based in Perth. ie. not sometimes but always be in Perth?
Just asking
We are talking mainly about guys/gals that have been based in Perth as their initial category who feel that they shouldn’t have to comply with the EA as they would rather be somewhere else. It’s not just the Perth based people either, east coast based pilots are incapable of reading the contract also. I’ve heard of a bloke who was on available days (you know, the ones where you are available to the company) and wouldn’t answer his phone. Crewing called his manager who sent him a text detailing the consequences of not calling him back (back to the dole que), when he called back it turns out he was in Bali on a surfing trip. Tough luck, you are required for a duty, how you get there is your problem. It’s only going to take one getting sacked to wake up the entitled. Problem for these people is that those details stay on your file forever. When it’s time for an upgrade, that stuff is all taken into account. Good luck to the next generation.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 05:06
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At the end of the day, if you're Perth based then you are required to be available in Perth under the terms of the EA with regard to standby's and other duties. At the moment, how you get to the airport at the required time and fit for duty is up to you if you choose to commute from elsewhere.
It would be a brave person to stand before a judge and say that commuting across a continent before a long TOD meets the rest requirements.

In the UK, British Airways have banned the use of staff travel on day of operation. Naturally, there are numerous ways around this, however the UK CAA is now looking through not only staff travel but commute times more broadly. The intent is to investigate whether sign on times and rest periods are adequate given, among other things housing costs pushing people further away from the base. Suffice to say the onus presently remains is on the pilot. that BA have acted the way they have may give an insight to the way this responsibility will be handled in the future; joint liability.
Rest assured being fit for duty will be heavily scrutinised in the years to come. It would be an extremely precarious position to explain to His Honour that flying across a continent and then operating a night TOD around 20 hours had as little impact on the performance of one's duties as a short 30 minute drive to sign on.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 05:17
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Getting a little more back on topic. According to the Qantas there are currently 151 pilots on the hold file, not counting those assigned to the next four courses up to end of April (about 50). Also 134 pilots currently being processed after assessment days.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 07:26
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Originally Posted by Rated De View Post
It would be a brave person to stand before a judge and say that commuting across a continent before a long TOD meets the rest requirements.

In the UK, British Airways have banned the use of staff travel on day of operation. Naturally, there are numerous ways around this, however the UK CAA is now looking through not only staff travel but commute times more broadly. The intent is to investigate whether sign on times and rest periods are adequate given, among other things housing costs pushing people further away from the base. Suffice to say the onus presently remains is on the pilot. that BA have acted the way they have may give an insight to the way this responsibility will be handled in the future; joint liability.
Rest assured being fit for duty will be heavily scrutinised in the years to come. It would be an extremely precarious position to explain to His Honour that flying across a continent and then operating a night TOD around 20 hours had as little impact on the performance of one's duties as a short 30 minute drive to sign on.
Sorry RD but you have absolutely no idea what youíre on about. Donít know if youíve ever been a long haul pilot, as you seem to keep your cards close to your chest, but this, to me, seems a lot like someone heckling from the cheap seats.

I actually fly this PER-LHR sector. Iíve tried lots of different options including coming over the day before. For this particular sector, which departs early evening, it works best, for me, to spend a night in my own bed. Get up when I wake up, catch the early afternoon flight to Perth, have a couple of hours to iron a shirt and grab a bite to eat, then go to work. I donít care if I have the first break, or second. It doesnít matter as I either have first break and doze, or second break and have a solid four hour sleep. I actually find that Iím arriving in London ready to start the day. I donít even feel like I need to sleep immediately after getting to the hotel.

What seems to escape some people is that this aircraft flies for 18 hours before arriving in London. You should plan to rest on board. Get a solid four hours sleep in the crew rest and I feel Iím arriving in London relatively fresh. The mindset here is that people should be as fresh as they would be when your average office worker arrives at there desk at 9am after 9 hours sleep in their own bed. This is not possible when your flying back of the clock. What office worker spends 18 solid hours at their desk without sleep? If they do then theyíd be in absolutely no state to drive home, let alone land an aeroplane. Add to that a back of the clock roster and itís imperative that you plan a sleep on board. The best way to achieve that is to plan to sleep, as best you can, when your body clock wants you to sleep. That means being ready to sleep 4-8 hours into this 18 hour sector. By flying over on the day of the flight I find I can achieve this. Fly over on the day before and I canít. Iíd be more than happy explaining this to ďHis HonourĒ.

Some airlines, Emirates is one, have an operating crew and a relief crew. The relief crew are actually encouraged to turn up tired. They are expected to take the first break so it would be pointless turning up fresh as a daisy and not be able to sleep. Qantas has Second Officers so this wonít work. So some latitude must be allowed to achieve your own balance.

I guess the takeout from this is that crew rest is individual. What works for some, might not work for others. By taking BAs cookie cutter approach by banning staff travel on the day of operating would actually make matters a lot more stressful for everyone, especially those who find paxing on the day works best for them. The best way is undoubtedly what Qantas presently does. Leave it up to the individual to make up their own mind on what works best for them. Unfortunately, rules will probably be forced upon us because desk bound self appointed experts think they know better.
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 08:40
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I can see this being a repeat of 2007//2008 for us on the hold ��
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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 09:08
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I can see this being a repeat of 2007//2008 for us on the hold ��
I highly doubt it.

The next 6 x 787's are replacements for the 747 so not really any expansion there. The 'project sunrise' aircraft will be expansion.

More 787 orders which I see happening will mean on-going recruitment for years to come. Management appear very happy with just how well they are doing. They still have another 30 purchase rights.

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Old 23rd Feb 2019, 09:22
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Seems to be a huge hold file they are creating nonetheless with numerous holdfilers destined to spend 12+ months waiting which begs the question....why have so many if thereís only say 15/month with courses only Ďconfirmedí up until May
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Old 24th Feb 2019, 00:33
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Seems to be a huge hold file they are creating nonetheless with numerous holdfilers destined to spend 12+ months waiting which begs the question....why have so many if thereís only say 15/month with courses only Ďconfirmedí up until May
I guess because things can change very rapidly.

It's not convenient for those on hold, but the company does need to be in a position to move quickly if the need arises. Compounding the issue will be the next years internal training requirements which are every bit as likely to be as demanding as last years, or thereabouts....

You can't do much more than put yourself in a position to to be available when required, sucks I know. I was on hold for 24 months 13 years ago and out of the blue got the call.

Hang in there.
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