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Old 15th Dec 2017, 03:35
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Originally Posted by 73to91
I thought I'd read previously that the 2nd route was BNE/LAX/JFK, perhaps not.
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Qantas Melbourne to San Francisco non-stop flights announced for 787 Dreamliner
The first four are going to be based in MEL for the aforementioned routes. The next four will be deployed to BNE for the LAX/JFK and other routes QF deem worthy!
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Old 15th Dec 2017, 08:44
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The first four are going to be based in MEL for the aforementioned routes. The next four will be deployed to BNE for the LAX/JFK and other routes QF deem worthy!
This week at an AIPA meeting Andrew David said they are hoping to keep all 747s until after next years holiday season. If you consider that the 4 787s in Melbourne are fully utilised then to do SFO some 787s will have to come from Brisbane logically. Therefore I think itís fair to say that BNE/LAX/JFK will remain a 747 for the moment.
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As an International Airline, they don't seem overly endowed with airframes for the network?
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 01:08
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Once normal line ops start I don't reckon you'll see S/Os on the MEL- PER- MEL sectors. Simply no need for them.
All depends upon how the rest of the rosters are built. As a MEL-LAX or SFO flight would be around 30 hours it would could well mean that these flights (Perth) continually hit the 30/7 limit. You'd three days at home after a US trip before the hours limit would disappear, but these trips only have a min of 2 days MBT. The same issue will arise if the Melbourne 380 people are supposed to fly to Singapore 2 man crew. It can certainly be fixed if you put SOs on ad hoc, but that would quickly run the resources down. It's messy scheduling, but then I guess that's the norm anyway.
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 10:44
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where's the first per-lhr flight leaving from? Can't be T3 surely it's still a bloody shell! The part they are constructing looks barely 50% finished with 3 months to run. Assuming they want to test it before day 1
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Old 16th Dec 2017, 21:55
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where's the first per-lhr flight leaving from? Can't be T3 surely it's still a bloody shell! The part they are constructing looks barely 50% finished with 3 months to run. Assuming they want to test it before day 1
It'll be leaving from the holding point; after being towed to save gas
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 01:27
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I'm looking forward to seeing the video of the glide approach...
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 02:27
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Talking

The Maggot said, "It'll be leaving from the holding point; after being towed to save gas".

Yes, but which threshold? Wings are a bit long to tow it to Learmonth!
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 04:09
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Apparently ZNA came in 1.5T underweight. That supposedly has worked very positively in QFís favour.
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Apparently ZNA came in 1.5T underweight
They've left out the crew?
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Originally Posted by Keg
Apparently ZNA came in 1.5T underweight. That supposedly has worked very positively in QFís favour.
No itís all part of the cunning plan to not have linen,crockery or food!!!!
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No itís all part of the cunning plan to not have linen,crockery or food!!!!
And duty free!
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Originally Posted by dragon man
This week at an AIPA meeting Andrew David said they are hoping to keep all 747s until after next years holiday season. If you consider that the 4 787s in Melbourne are fully utilised then to do SFO some 787s will have to come from Brisbane logically. Therefore I think itís fair to say that BNE/LAX/JFK will remain a 747 for the moment.
Nope. MEL - SFO will not require any extra air frames, because the service alternates with and replaces the MEL - LAX flight several days of the week. Therefore no knock on effect to BNE.
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Apparently ZNA came in 1.5T underweight. That supposedly has worked very positively in QFís favour.
If true, it will be a very positive thing. I don't know if PER/LHR will be a full tanks operation but if the OEW (OWE) is less than expected, it would normally mean either a greater fuel uplift, more payload or a combination of both. This would also apply to any sector at MTOW.
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If true, it will be a very positive thing. I don't know if PER/LHR will be a full tanks operation but if the OEW (OWE) is less than expected, it would normally mean either a greater fuel uplift, more payload or a combination of both. This would also apply to any sector at MTOW.
My understanding is that full tanks are possible with a full load of pax and bags. Only 235 pax remember.

A lower basic weight will mean that this finite fuel amount can be taken further, or the aircraft will arrive at a fixed destination with greater reserves intact.

There seem to be a lot of doubters here. I look forward to seeing you all eat your words.
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My understanding is that full tanks are possible with a full load of pax and bags. Only 235 pax remember.

A lower basic weight will mean that this finite fuel amount can be taken further, or the aircraft will arrive at a fixed destination with greater reserves intact.

There seem to be a lot of doubters here. I look forward to seeing you all eat your words.
That game changing koolaid must taste good
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That game changing koolaid must taste good
If only you knew who I was pal youíd realise what a ridiculous comment that was.
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Old 17th Dec 2017, 23:55
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With a comment like that your obviously an original SKYGOD.......
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Itís typical of this forum that everyone is so keen on a venture like PER-LHR failing before it even leaves the ground. I donít know whether itís tall poppy syndrome, or wannabes with an axe to grind. Whatever it is I donít understand how you possibly could benefit from itís failure. Especially those employed by QANTAS. How can this venture failing help you? Are you one of those sad pathetic creatures that get more satisfaction from an ďI told you soĒ moment than to realise the benefits to your own career when this actually works. Talk about cut off your nose to spite your face.

Can someone please explain to me why it is in anyoneís best interest for the PER-LHR route to fail? If it fails it will undoubtedly mean less 787s which flows on to less recruiting and less progression/promotion within the group.

When I put up my hand to say I hope it is a success Iím howled down as a ďkookaid drinkerĒ or a ďskygodĒ. Either of which could not be further from the truth.

Iím one of QANTASí harshest critics. Iíve been very vocal both in here and Qrewroom on many of QANTASí stupid decisions, past and present. The Jetconnect fiasco is but one.

In PER-LHR though Iím convinced it has the potential to be very valuable to QANTAS, the industry and the country. A lot of very talented people have been working in this for a very long time. Iím convinced it will be viable. For all our sakes I hope it is.

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My own personal feeling is that some East Coast based pilots in QF are hoping that if this fails, the aircraft will be transferred back east, bringing with that more opportunities in their base of choice. I think youíd be hard pressed to find a West Coast based pilot with the same defeatist thoughts. Only an opinion.
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