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Old 20th Dec 2016, 07:03
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@ Halas -
Not sure what you mean about tax payer shenanigans.
The state and federal Government is putting millions of tax payers dollars into this arrangement to provide services, e.g. Border force operating out of the domestic terminal and other infrastructure mods.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 10:21
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Yes indeed, a private company (Perth Airport Ltd) and a publicly listed 51% Australian owned company have convinced the taxpayers representatives to cough up around $20 million (that they admit to) to further their commercial interests.

There is a perfectly suitable international terminal staffed and with duty free shops only a short (12 mins) bus trip away.

Well played QF.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 12:42
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
There is a perfectly suitable international terminal...
That's debatable.
Well played QF.
That's not!
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 16:44
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Originally Posted by Icarus2001
Yes indeed, a private company (Perth Airport Ltd) and a publicly listed 51% Australian owned company have convinced the taxpayers representatives to cough up around $20 million (that they admit to) to further their commercial interests.

There is a perfectly suitable international terminal staffed and with duty free shops only a short (12 mins) bus trip away.

Well played QF.
You have to be joking. The buses only run every 20-30 mins, so if you miss one because your bag took a while to appear, you've a wait on your hands and suddenly a very tight transfer. Also, they are picky about who can get on (you have to have a printed, paper intinerary, none of this new-fangled phone business is acceptable), so whilst the buses are reasonably comfy, it is absolutely not a service designed for constant use. It is designed for the very occasional transfer punter; there is no way it could cope with the numbers. A same-terminal transfer is a no-brainer. In any case governments use taxpayer funds to invest in lots of things on a regular basis, this is no different.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 18:04
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
Don't know why QF staff can't turn around an A380 in under 2 hours? The contracted staff at JFK seem to be able to do it with other carriers.
Korean and Asiana both have 2-hour turnarounds for their 380s at JFK, but those are in the morning when the airport is less busy. AF schedules 3 hours and is on the ground at the same time as QF. The four Emirates services are blocked at 2h25, 2h40, 3h20, and 2h20 on the ground.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 20:32
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The QF A380 is turned around in 90 minutes in DXB.

I operated QF10 DXB to MEL on Wednesday and the ground staff were lamenting the fact. Not sure what services it applies to but certainly QF10 on that day.

We did push 1 minute late though.
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Old 20th Dec 2016, 22:18
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The QF A380 is turned around in 90 minutes in DXB.
With non unionised slave labour from the Indian sub continent who are in fear of losing their jobs and being returned home if targets aren't met.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 00:13
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Qantas set the standards required of handling agents for their t/rounds and transits. Just maybe Qantas requires a higher level of cleanliness and cabin presentation for its passengers, especially on very long sectors, than do other carriers? Slot availability may also play a part in what ground time is scheduled.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 02:11
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You have to be joking. The buses only run every 20-30 mins, so if you miss one because your bag took a while to appear, you've a wait on your hands and suddenly a very tight transfer. Also, they are picky about who can get on (you have to have a printed, paper intinerary, none of this new-fangled phone business is acceptable), so whilst the buses are reasonably comfy, it is absolutely not a service designed for constant use. It is designed for the very occasional transfer punter; there is no way it could cope with the numbers. A same-terminal transfer is a no-brainer. In any case governments use taxpayer funds to invest in lots of things on a regular basis, this is no different.
Possibly. Surely it would be MUCH CHEAPER to upgrade the bus service, especially as we are talking what, TWO flights a day, than upgrade a domestic terminal to a quasi international terminal?

Edit to add: Bags would be checked through wouldn't they, if it operates how the PR department claims it will, Sydney or Melbourne or Adelaide passengers connecting to the London service in Perth, bags would be tagged at joining in the East and so pax would not need to wait in Perth for bags anyway.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 14:55
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The QF A380 is turned around in 90 minutes in DXB.
There is a handling sequencing/timing chart for an EK 75 minute turn at DXB, but I don't know if it's applicable to the 380 (nor do I think it's realistic for any long-haul aircraft, but that's besides the point).

Dnata also has the "luxury" of being able to throw an entire army of low-paid workers at a turn, which is not something that can be done at a place like JFK or LAX.

And while it's nice that the ground staff at DXB can turn a 380 in 90 minutes, the QF10 is scheduled for 125 minutes on the ground. QF9 and QF1 are also blocked at 2h00; QF2 is 1h50.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 20:49
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Dnata also has the "luxury" of being able to throw an entire army of low-paid workers at a turn, which is not something that can be done at a place like JFK or LAX.
True. At times there seems to be more cleaners gettting on the aircraft than pax getting off.
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Old 21st Dec 2016, 21:47
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Same happens at DOH.
I saw one bloke with a rag and bucket who's only job was to clean the aircraft wheels every turn round.
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Old 1st Jan 2017, 04:24
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CAPA article

Qantas' first 787 routes, Perth-London nonstop and Melbourne-LA, address urgent strategic needs | CAPA - Centre for Aviation
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Who's launching the -900?
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Old 27th Jan 2017, 02:28
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to New York, Boston and Washington DC
Now the 'great one' is talking new types as well.

DIRECT flights from Sydney to New York could be possible as soon as 2022, according to Qantas CEO Alan Joyce.
In an interview withAustralian Financial Review, Mr Joyce revealed the airline is considering replacing its fleet of Boeing 747s with new-generation jets such as Airbus A350s or Boeing 777s, which can fly significantly further.


“[From Sydney or Melbourne] they can go straight to New York, Boston and Washington DC, and that is a complete contextual redesign of our network right there,” he told journalist Joe Aston.


According to Boeing vice president Mark Jenks, the manufacturer’s main focus is fuel efficiency, rather than speed.


It’s a significant drawcard to a company like Qantas that spends approximately $3 billion burning jet fuel each year.


“At the moment, Sydney-New York is probably OK,” Mr Joyce said.


Longer flights will, however, take a greater toll on passenger health.


Qantas is investing a significant amount of money at the University of Sydney to study the effects of the timing of meals, as well as cabin lighting and temperature, on ultra-long-haul passengers.


“There’s no medical evidence to suggest punctuating a really long journey with a stopover is preferable to a single hop,” Mr Joyce told theFinancial Review


“But we also know we can’t just ‘stretch’ the service plan from a 12-hour flight to fit 17 hours.”

It comes just one month after the airlinestruck a deal to commence non-stop flights from Perthto London in early 2018, using brand new Boeing 787 Dreamliner.

Boeing said Qantas is installing fewer seats on its Dreamliners
than other airlines, which will significantly help with passenger comfort.


The aircraft destined to cover the new route will have 236 seats instead of the usual 300, which will also maximise range by decreasing weight.


The agreement with Perth Airport had a few hiccups, notably concerning a disagreement about which terminal would be upgraded as a hub for the service, but it was eventually resolved in Qantas’s favour.


The route will become the longest passenger flight in the world, and Mr Joyce described it as “game-changing”.


“When Qantas created the Kangaroo Route to London in 1947, it took four days and nine stops. Now it will take just 17 hours from Perth non-stop,” he said.


The current route takes 23 hours, with a short stopover in Singapore.
“Australians have never had a direct link to Europe before, so the opportunities this opens up are huge.”


Five of the 747s currently operating will be replaced with eight new Dreamliners between October this year and May 2019.
Qantas Sydney to New York: New aircraft offers new possibilities
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Old 27th Jan 2017, 02:49
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Stopover in Singapore ? AFR should get out more.
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 15:59
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Originally Posted by maggot
Cause itd be the worlds worst transfer
Even worse than yssy if ya could believe that
How do you figure that ? the 787 is planned to operate out of T3 next to T4!! Both those terminals are joined together
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Old 8th Jul 2017, 23:21
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How do you figure that ? the 787 is planned to operate out of T3 next to T4!! Both those terminals are joined together
...exactly
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 11:23
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Ben Sandilands has been critical of QF for the number of toilets on the B787-9 saying it will be a nightmare should 1 or more toilets go u/s. Virgin Atlantic has begun LHR-HKG-LHR with the B787-9 and with 198 economy seats there are only 4 toilets in the Y cabin. Totally inadequate for the Chinese bladder. A sign of the times I guess.
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Old 29th Sep 2017, 05:52
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Radio report on 6PR today that Air New Zealand are planning to operate their B787 AKL-PER-LHR. This will p..s off AJ.

Ps. Anyone remember when NZ operated SYD-LAX-SYD nonstop ?
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