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Old 15th Dec 2016, 08:03
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^^^ but are the tanks full

With a qf fitout I'd guess no, rtow MTOW or MLW
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 09:11
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The rumour though is we bleed a ****e load of $$$ on MEL- DXB- LHR.
Yes Keg, I had heard that was mainly due to the poor timing that doesn't allow connecting flights.

What are the loads like BNE- LAX on the 744. Could it be replaced by a Dugong?
The loads on that route are perfect for the B747 but probably a bit lean for the A380. The other issue would be no B747 to go to JFK and the A380 would be unsuitable on the route due to very cramped terminal space, longer transit/turnaround times and slower cruise speeds. It's a very tight schedule with the amount of complexing in LAX in both directions. I believe that the 5th & 6th B787's will probably take over the BNE-LAX-JFK route with some B747 services in addition to provide the right capacity.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 10:10
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Lots of A380 into JFK.
What is the cruise speed of a A380?
Why would the turn around time be greater than a 747?

Anyone? Someone! Bueller!
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 10:18
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Maybe not much through traffic for the leg to jfk and back?
380... .83 - .85 or so depending
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 12:43
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Keg,

PER-AKL-PER daily year round would make a lot of sense if it's timed to meet the inbound/outbound LHR flights in PER. Could be a relatively popular way to travel UK-NZ and vice versa, with much the same overall flight time as the sandpit route.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 13:04
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The early morning arrival slots are worth $75 million USD.
The old QF 9 slot that got in at 5am has been leased out as it's the most valuable. I'm led to believe that this is still lucratively leased out.

As Keg alluded to, its most likely that one A380 slot Into LHR at the very least will convert to the QF9/10 to PER. Press articles reflect this.
QF may still have to send two A380s to DXB. One from SYD and MEL as per the EK agreement unless EK agree otherwise. QF1 to LHR to remain.


Possibly BNE-LAX-JFK in the future will allow greater retirements of the jumbo although I suspect it will more likely be SCL or JNB as BNE-LAX-JFK has higher loads than SCL or JNB.
The 787 QF 95/96 from MEL/LAX will be 6 days a week in the evening to compliment the morning A380 departure.

Having said all that I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 13:47
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Lots of A380 into JFK.
What is the cruise speed of a A380?
Why would the turn around time be greater than a 747?
1. Into JFK, Yes, but not into Terminal 7 (British Airways Terminal)
2. It appears to operate at least M.01 slower than the B747, &
3. Without going into the large number of reasons, QF staff just can't turn the A380 around in less than 2 hours & that is too long for the way the LAX-JFK-LAX flights with the complexing restrictions in both directions.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 17:37
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Originally Posted by Capt Fathom
Lots of A380 into JFK.
What is the cruise speed of a A380?
Why would the turn around time be greater than a 747?

Anyone? Someone! Bueller!
JFK-T7 isn't Group VI capable, and more likely to be town down than upgraded. That's one of the reasons that BA is doing a damn-near hourly shuttle with the 744s instead of their own 380 upgrade. I don't believe that T8 (AA) can take 380s, either. That leaves 1 and 4, both of which are bursting at the seams. The only plausible scenario is if they can get Emirates to cough up their late afternoon 380 slot at T4 while the QF service is on the ground, but EK will no doubt extract a hefty price.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 22:20
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Qf aint sending 380s to jfk. Not over .01 mach, they just aint.
787 5&6 bne-lax-jfk.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 22:53
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The reconfig of the 380's will be well over 500 seats. The future of the 380 is Asia. That's it.
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Old 15th Dec 2016, 23:35
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Another reconfig planned?
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 00:06
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Apparently some of the International carriers operating ex PER are not happy with the WA Government tipping in $14M plus to assist QF with a marketing edge. Stay tuned !
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 00:37
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NT government did the same thing with Jetstar as they wanted Darwin to be a hub airport.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 03:53
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Singapore and Scoot are in bed with various governments also. Tiger has been funded by various states over the years.

Nothing new.
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2. It appears to operate at least M.01 slower than the B747, &
3. Without going into the large number of reasons, QF staff just can't turn the A380 around in less than 2 hours & that is too long for the way the LAX-JFK-LAX flights with the complexing restrictions in both directions.
The 380 cruises faster than a 747. (I have passed numerous 747s over the years in an A380.

Don't know why QF staff can't turn around an A380 in under 2 hours? The contracted staff at JFK seem to be able to do it with other carriers.


Is all not well with QF EK alliance? Hubbing out of Perth has got to cut into the hub out of Dubai situation. I guess EK will have to park an A380 at the domestic terminal in Perth, - Only fair to the tax payers that are paying for the QF shenanigans.
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Originally Posted by Capn Rex Havoc
The 380 cruises faster than a 747. (I have passed numerous 747s over the years in an A380.
Just No. Not to Hong Kong, nor LA, nor Dallas where QF have operated both types.

[quote=Don't know why QF staff can't turn around an A380 in under 2 hours? The contracted staff at JFK seem to be able to do it with other carriers.[/quote]

I agree. Perhaps the bigger issue is utilisation rate and flow on effects after delay?

[quote=Is all not well with QF EK alliance? Hubbing out of Perth has got to cut into the hub out of Dubai situation. I guess EK will have to park an A380 at the domestic terminal in Perth, - Only fair to the tax payers that are paying for the QF shenanigans.[/quote]

There's nothing stopping them. Apparently, both sides are getting what they want. Maybe they won't operate domestically because it'll BLEED money and not increase their global footprint. Out of interest, the revenue from Qantas Domestic is around a fifth of the total Emirates revenue. There must be something that stops the big bad bully's from the ME from throwing on the gloves?

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Old 19th Dec 2016, 18:27
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@ Capn Rex

Not sure what you mean about tax payer shenanigans.
There will be no parked A380 at domestic in Perth.
Will "drop" to 777 if loads are **** like has happened.
236 seats between Perth and Heathrow is minimal in the scheme of the agreement between QF & EK.
In fact l'd wager EK have code share seats on that very flight!

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Old 19th Dec 2016, 19:36
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I hope it works well. Fingers crossed more new flying is announced for QF. The Oz industry needs some growth.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 22:50
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EK do not have traffic rights between Aust and the U.K or vv so no code share with QF on the PER-LHR-PER nonstop.
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Old 19th Dec 2016, 23:36
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Surely they could still sell seats on the EK website ? A while back I was watching the screen at a departure gate as it scrolled through nine different airlines for the same aircraft, some of which didn't come within a thousand miles of the airport.
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