Australia, New Zealand & the Pacific Airline and RPT Rumours & News in Australia, enZed and the Pacific

Jetstar Aus/NZ Positions

Old 30th May 2018, 23:57
  #241 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Oz
Posts: 76
What is with all this facination with Rex? I assume a large chunk of senior Jetstar Management pilots are all ex Rex or something?
Nothing to do with management. More to do with the fact that Rex pilots can go straight to J*. Qlink pilots are only released to J* or mainline at the rate of one or two per month, if that. So if J* want turboprop pilots Rex has the largest pool available.

If you want to join Mainline or J*, join Rex instead of Qlink. You'll get there quicker.
Sykes is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 00:10
  #242 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Earth
Posts: 24
Originally Posted by Sykes View Post
Nothing to do with management. More to do with the fact that Rex pilots can go straight to J*. Qlink pilots are only released to J* or mainline at the rate of one or two per month, if that. So if J* want turboprop pilots Rex has the largest pool available.

If you want to join Mainline or J*, join Rex instead of Qlink. You'll get there quicker.

so guys that are on hold file and not with rex have no chance????
Superawsome is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 00:12
  #243 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Australia
Posts: 337
At Jetstar, we do hire a lot of Rex pilots and perhaps to a lesser degree many Qlink pilots. There are pathways to transfer (I use the term loosely) within the group but if you're going to bother doing this, particularly right now, you're better placed to aim for mainline than Jetstar. I say this as a Jetstar captain, not because Jetstar is not a great place to work, I can assure all those interested that it is, nevertheless, Qantas currently is a much better prospect for those aspiring to get in the left seat one day.

Nobody has a crystal ball but the average age of a captain at Jetstar versus the average age of a captain at mainline might be a difference of perhaps ten years. In addition to that, the pay at least little better on the narrow body fleet and appreciably better on other aircraft. Qantas simply has more options for those that get bored, albeit Jetstar has more narrow body base options.

If you do end up in Jetstar, have no fear at all, life will be very good however my guess is that a move to the left seat of a narrow body will be approaching fifteen years by the time the music stops, even if Qantas does no further expansion, by sheer weight of impending retirements, there is likely to be many more commands coming up over the same period of time.

Good luck either way.
Willie Nelson is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 03:10
  #244 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: The Shire
Posts: 2,904
The pilots that joined JQ around the Ď14-15 era are in the sweet spot. 3.5 years to the wide body. The 10-13 joiners needed 4-6 years.

The Ď09-10 joiners are getting SYD/MEL commands now. The late 08-09ers waited 9 years, the 06-08ers waited 4.

Interestingly a SYD widebody FO is pretty much as senior as a SYD captain. I must say, Iíd stay on the widebody too.

The 10-12 joiners will need 8-10 years to command. The 13-15ers probably 6-8 years and then after that. Good luck! Itíll blow out to 12+

As has been mentioned above, QF would be the best option salary wise, base and fleet right now in Australia.

The attraction to JQ was a fast left seat and a 250K+ job. Youíd earn far more money now at QF before command and have lots of lifestyle options.
The Green Goblin is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 04:57
  #245 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Artic
Age: 39
Posts: 76
Anyone joining JQ in the recent intake which started 2016 expect to wait well over 15 yrs for a 320 command. As above average age in JQ is early 40s and now they have approval to conduct ATPL flight testing all the cadets will get thier commands in the next 5+ And those kids are mid to early 20s. Wide body for new joiners could be around 10+ in ML even longer for SY or other bases.

My my advice would be apply to QF try that avenue first at least you will have a career there, if not successful try VA new joiners most likely go to ATR but you can transfer and fly other AC with in the company as JQ will be just 320 for the foreseeable future.
chickoroll is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 06:12
  #246 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 615
The question remains will FOs hang around and wait, there is potential to get caught out with lack of FOs in future years. Young 20 somethingís waiting 15 years for a command, highly unlikely when Emirates will give them a 777 seat with many promises of upgrades et al.

15 years for a command, in 15-20 odd years effectively the current captain pilot body at Jetstar will be on the way out. Thatís the point the industry is going to crash as the current generation (20s) are not learning to fly. GA is dead and flying schools are going under all over the country. The solution, and Iíve seen carriers get caught out here, is hiring more cadets. But they couldnít upgrade them fast enough to stem the retirements and cancelled flights.



wheels_down is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 07:24
  #247 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Artic
Age: 39
Posts: 76
Well, Iím definitely not hanging around at a low cost carrier as an FO for the next 15+ yrs Iíve already done 3 and I can see no career progression now so Iím currently looking abroad.
chickoroll is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 10:59
  #248 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: The Shire
Posts: 2,904
If youíre desperate for a command or a big bird then so be it.

However most FOs that have been around a while are netting 9k plus a month and have their base of choice and a reasonable lifestyle.

Once the rostering and PBS are sorted and the annual leave peak slots are realistic, itíll be a good place to be.

Lets also face it, a WB FO in the sandpit doesnít earn a great deal more and there is a huge trade off for the privilege of flying something big. If youíre single itíll be a great gig, until youíre married.

China - have a read of some of the experiences of guys there. Itís a 3 year cash grab before you shoot yourself and get the heck out of there. Then youíll be kicking yourself for a career at the star when the cash runs out.

Thereís no garden of aviation eden out there. Thereís just varying amounts of shit in the sandwich.

Get a hobby, get married. Have some kids and buy a boat.
The Green Goblin is offline  
Old 31st May 2018, 23:25
  #249 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Narita
Posts: 10
Originally Posted by chickoroll View Post
Well, Iím definitely not hanging around at a low cost carrier as an FO for the next 15+ yrs Iíve already done 3 and I can see no career progression now so Iím currently looking abroad.
I don't understand, if your 3 years into JQ already you won't have to wait 15 for a command (maybe 5-7), and your only 18 months or so away from a 787 FO slot - so what are you trying to achieve?
Toga Toga Toga is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2018, 00:20
  #250 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne
Age: 56
Posts: 952
so what are you trying to achieve?
Something else, perhaps? There's a lot of aviation outside Australia.

A mate of mine joined Jetstar in 2008. In 2014 his command vacancy was coming up, but was pushed back a few years by the MOU guys. So he and a few others left for Emirates. Less than four years later he's been checked to line as an A380 Captain.

This pathway isn't for everyone, but for those who're willing to leave Australia there are opportunities that aren't necessarily available to those who remain.

Some people want job security in their own country; others want job opportunities overseas. We're lucky to be in a period where these opportunities exist, and that people are taking them.

DIVOSH!
Di_Vosh is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2018, 08:59
  #251 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2000
Location: Going nowhere...
Posts: 311
Really?

pushed back a few years by the MOU guys
Is it possible that said individual misread the contract &/or seniority list and came to an erroneous conclusion about when ďhisĒ command vacancy was coming up? If subsequent choices worked for him thatís great; market forces in action!👍
Jetsbest is offline  
Old 1st Jun 2018, 23:28
  #252 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2003
Location: Melbourne
Age: 56
Posts: 952
Yournamehere

Correct! My post was in response to 3xToga, giving an example of a J* pilot who felt frustrated in his current position and decided to go overseas. There are some great opportunities out there, and the result for him was a good one!

But it looks like I managed to trigger a Qantas pilot (unintentionally, btw), so an added bonus, I guess!

DIVOSH!
Di_Vosh is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2018, 04:27
  #253 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Narita
Posts: 10
I think you misunderstood my point Divosh, I was replying to someone who stated they were considering leaving JQ because they couldn't see a chance for progression - my point was if your not satisfied with a WB FO gig after 3.5 years, and command after 8...what would satisfy you?

Fair statement, perhaps going overseas is the best option for him/her for faster progression if thats their overiding desire - I still think its abit ridiculous to consider progression at JQ slow.

Glad your mates happy, I know of few in the ME who are at the moment. Anyway, back on topic...
Toga Toga Toga is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2018, 06:43
  #254 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 165
At the end of the day we should all encourage guys to do what we want them to do, i'd much rather share a cockpit with someone who wants to be there. + if thats heading overseas then great because it opens up another opportunity for someone else who wants to stay around or someone who hasn't got into the airlines yet.
logansi is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2018, 07:05
  #255 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Earth
Posts: 24
What are u guys arguing about lol. Recruitment is dead. Jetstar is just interviewing to grow thier pool. No one actually getting a call to start. I know many people in the hold file that have been waiting for several months and still heard nothing.
Superawsome is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2018, 08:10
  #256 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2018
Location: Earth
Posts: 24
Originally Posted by decoder View Post
Just because you haven't been called to start doesn't mean others haven't.

I know 7 people that interview in Jan. I am assuming u got called?? If so please tell we need all the hope we can get.
Superawsome is offline  
Old 2nd Jun 2018, 11:35
  #257 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: Australia
Posts: 10
I do know people who have interviewed after Jan and are now back from their type rating and through their induction.

How does their induction process work? who knows.
notthisguy1 is offline  
Old 3rd Jun 2018, 07:46
  #258 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Dunnunda
Posts: 227
The order that you interview isnt necessarily the order youíll get called, Jq have been like this from the beginning. If you work out their system, please tell us so that way we all know....
If you got a letter saying youíre unsuccessful then youíre unsuccessful. If you havenít got that letter, just sit tight. I know itís frustrating, but refer unsuccessful letter above, thatís far more frustrating.

They want a heap of people this year and the bottleneck is the sims which was pointed out a few posts above. They are even looking at doing cyclics overseas.
GA Driver is offline  
Old 3rd Jun 2018, 12:03
  #259 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Asia
Posts: 615
Are they using the same sims as Tiger?

wheels_down is offline  
Old 3rd Jun 2018, 12:38
  #260 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: 3rd rock from the sun
Posts: 1,582
I think thereís a total of 3 sims in all of Australia and theyíre in the same place. So I dare say so.
morno is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.