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Old 18th Feb 2022, 03:11
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Originally Posted by Kenny
It looks like cLeArIcE and I have traveled the same the same parts of the world and I understand completely, where he had reservations. I married a local and Iíve made my peace with it but with small kids, Iíd definitely agree with his thoughts about kids growing up in the US vs Oz.
Thatís the reason we moved home. Didnít want our kids growing up there. Itís all about the individual and what suits them the best. Pros and cons for both USA and Oz and theyíll change at different stages of your life. As we work in a seniority based industry though, every time you change, it has a large amount of risk involved in relation to your career progression. This is turn affects your income and QOL.
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 03:57
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Fair question. I honestly can't put my finger on big things. For me it's lots of little things that probably seem trivial and stupid to others, but mattered to me. I was based in the mid West, but my experience may have Been very different if I had lived on the west coast. I do regret not giving that a try. I'd say to people just try it. You'll probably love it. Just go in with your eye's open. It's a great industry over there and the best thing is, no oztranaughts. You Will have experienced real weather, real terrain, cold weather ops, real ATC at the busiest and most complex airports in the world with (mostly) great crews.
If you come back, you will find it hard not to laugh when your colleague briefs you that the BKN008 in Sydney this morning is "a threat."
But I didn't like everything. Some things that come to mind;
1. The amount of degenerates and sketchy individuals everywhere. You always feel on guard and never safe. Even in nice areas.
2. The quality of fresh food is awful unless you pay a fortune for it. Everything is packed full of preservatives or fructose corn syrup. Bread is disgusting and don't even mention the coffee.
3. My wife and I were thinking of kid's and I'd never ever want my child to go to an American School. Even if they don't get shot, the level of education appeared a little... lacking. (Yes I am aware Australia is becoming more more dumbed down too).
4. Culture of working comes first, and taking sick days, mental health days etc is so frowned upon. (Look at some of the flow through agreements).
5. Lots Of things (outside of aviation) are very backwards.
6. Healthcare.
7. Many personal things I missed such as Sport etc which has nothing to do with the US and everything to do with me.
But, all of that is personal opinion and potentially meaningless to anybody else. I've lived In the UK, spent large amount of time in Asia etc and loved it, but I found the US the hardest to live in.
Some pretty balanced stuff there.
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 06:10
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This has occurred to a friend.

Those looking at going to the US, National have hired some Ex-Emirates Crew Manager and she is trying to get people to take a contract out of Dubai, no E3.

So those interested just be aware. People are rejecting it once they find out what is promised is not turning out to be reality. Contract even says despite what they are told that transferring from the Dubai contract to the E3 will occur, once you sign the Dubai contract, whatever is promised holds no weight and you are stuck and will not get the E3.
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 08:48
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
Fair question. I honestly can't put my finger on big things. For me it's lots of little things that probably seem trivial and stupid to others, but mattered to me. I was based in the mid West, but my experience may have Been very different if I had lived on the west coast. I do regret not giving that a try. I'd say to people just try it. You'll probably love it. Just go in with your eye's open. It's a great industry over there and the best thing is, no oztranaughts. You Will have experienced real weather, real terrain, cold weather ops, real ATC at the busiest and most complex airports in the world with (mostly) great crews.
If you come back, you will find it hard not to laugh when your colleague briefs you that the BKN008 in Sydney this morning is "a threat."
But I didn't like everything. Some things that come to mind;
1. The amount of degenerates and sketchy individuals everywhere. You always feel on guard and never safe. Even in nice areas.
2. The quality of fresh food is awful unless you pay a fortune for it. Everything is packed full of preservatives or fructose corn syrup. Bread is disgusting and don't even mention the coffee.
3. My wife and I were thinking of kid's and I'd never ever want my child to go to an American School. Even if they don't get shot, the level of education appeared a little... lacking. (Yes I am aware Australia is becoming more more dumbed down too).
4. Culture of working comes first, and taking sick days, mental health days etc is so frowned upon. (Look at some of the flow through agreements).
5. Lots Of things (outside of aviation) are very backwards.
6. Healthcare.
7. Many personal things I missed such as Sport etc which has nothing to do with the US and everything to do with me.
But, all of that is personal opinion and potentially meaningless to anybody else. I've lived In the UK, spent large amount of time in Asia etc and loved it, but I found the US the hardest to live in.
Interesting perspective. I hope youíve found peace back in Oz. Thereís a couple guys at my place that have commuted from Oz in the past (pre COVID) times. With a young family ourselves (and no support network of relatives nearby) it gets kinda old so I could see maybe entertaining the idea for a few years.
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Old 18th Feb 2022, 13:44
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cLeArIcE,

Thanks for your answer. Always good to hear a different opinion.

Sounds like you did what 80+% of regional pilots do: get in...get the time...get the heck out. Your "out" was just a lot farther away !
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Old 19th Feb 2022, 17:31
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Originally Posted by Capt Under Pants
This has occurred to a friend.

Those looking at going to the US, National have hired some Ex-Emirates Crew Manager and she is trying to get people to take a contract out of Dubai, no E3.

So those interested just be aware. People are rejecting it once they find out what is promised is not turning out to be reality. Contract even says despite what they are told that transferring from the Dubai contract to the E3 will occur, once you sign the Dubai contract, whatever is promised holds no weight and you are stuck and will not get the E3.
Iíd be very veeeery careful with taking a position like this unless it is under the CBA in the US.


As far as the reasons for returning. Clearice painted a good perspective. I think Iíd be actively looking to go home by now if we hadnít won the GC lottery. Wife is pregnant at the moment and Iím not looking forward to when he goes to school.

Aviation here is incredible, and thatís the only reason why weíre here. I feel very fortunate to have somewhere to run back to if needed. Itís not so outlandish to think that the economic success the US has wonít change in our lifetimes, especially when you see the kind of society itís built upon. I definitely feel sorry for people born here into low income families.

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Old 19th Feb 2022, 20:11
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
Iíd be very veeeery careful with taking a position like this unless it is under the CBA in the US.


As far as the reasons for returning. Clearice painted a good perspective. I think Iíd be actively looking to go home by now if we hadnít won the GC lottery. Wife is pregnant at the moment and Iím not looking forward to when he goes to school.

Aviation here is incredible, and thatís the only reason why weíre here. I feel very fortunate to have somewhere to run back to if needed. Itís not so outlandish to think that the economic success the US has wonít change in our lifetimes, especially when you see the kind of society itís built upon. I definitely feel sorry for people born here into low income families.
The US is a great place to be if you are middle class or higher. I'd imagine it'd be a nightmare here if you're in the lower socio-economic brackets.
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 06:04
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
Wife is pregnant at the moment and Iím not looking forward to when he goes to school..
Iíd be lying if I said I didnít have the same concerns but there are a few things that I try to remind myself of; firstly, heís growing up with two international gypsies and heíll be innately aware of the world outside these borders, simply because of that. Iím sure youíll travel with him and that will only serve to reinforce that awareness. Lastly, I have more than a few friends here that are extremely smart, kind people, who understand that thereís a big world out there and realise nothing is perfect, no matter where you live. And they were educated in the US.
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Old 20th Feb 2022, 16:42
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Originally Posted by Kenny
Iíd be lying if I said I didnít have the same concerns but there are a few things that I try to remind myself of; firstly, heís growing up with two international gypsies and heíll be innately aware of the world outside these borders, simply because of that. Iím sure youíll travel with him and that will only serve to reinforce that awareness. Lastly, I have more than a few friends here that are extremely smart, kind people, who understand that thereís a big world out there and realise nothing is perfect, no matter where you live. And they were educated in the US.
Thanks again Kenny for some great words of wisdom. I'm sure he'll be fine, keeping some perspective for him is already our top priority.

If you feel like some beers next time you're in ORD I'd be happy to oblige
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Old 21st Feb 2022, 05:17
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Originally Posted by umop apisdn
Thanks again Kenny for some great words of wisdom. I'm sure he'll be fine, keeping some perspective for him is already our top priority.

If you feel like some beers next time you're in ORD I'd be happy to oblige
​​​​​​​Sounds like a plan.
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Old 21st Feb 2022, 11:10
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Originally Posted by Staffypilot
Hi guys, I have been watching these posts for a while now and Iím quite enthusiastic about the opportunities in the USA. I have tried with airlinesapps l.com but it wonít accept my credit card details! Did anyone else have this problems ?
Yep. Enter a dummy US billing address and problem solved.
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Old 22nd Feb 2022, 05:52
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Originally Posted by cLeArIcE
As someone who actually did it I'll give you my take. Yes I am one of those few E3s that came back and got a job in Australia. That was my choice..Great job, great flying but living in the USA long term was not for me..I did not enjoy that part. Other's loved, it each to their own. Going through the process of getting a job back here after my USA experience was generally positive. Certainly was never looked at as "cheating" etc. Nor did I ever receive any "Dey Turk er jerbs" type of treatment from anyone in the US.
I will however offer this advice, have an out or an end game. Majors may never happen nor may the E3 be sustainable long term. Yes you may get lucky with the lottery or you might settle down with a local (my wife may not have approved of this option). But as some said, you've got some FO or PIC time at a part 121, what now? Whens the next down turn etc.

I think everyone in Aus will hire plenty this year (subject to COVID, WW3, market crash etc) and anyone that wants to come home will be in with a massive shot.
If you don't mind me asking, what sort of job did you come back to Australia to? GA, regionals, non-flying, etc?
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Old 22nd Feb 2022, 13:01
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If you don't mind me asking, what sort of job did you come back to Australia to? GA, regionals, non-flying, etc?
No worries, Came back to an airline gig in Aus. I certainly would not have come back if it wasn't a step up the ladder.
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Old 22nd Feb 2022, 22:49
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Hi guys, could anyone give me a brief run down of flying conditions and lifestyle at Atlas and if any aus pilots have upgraded there.

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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 02:38
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Some things have changed recently regarding flow to UA via the Aviate program (CommutAir and GoJet). No interview required now, itís an automatic flow upon enrolment into the program. From what I was told by CommutAir, Aussie pilots who get a green card from CommutAir after completing the command upgrade are able to enrol in the Aviate program.
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 03:40
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there was a post on reddit /r /flying today about what it is like at Atlas, doesn't answer the aussie question though
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 04:53
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E3 pilots can definitely upgrade at Atlas.
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 20:45
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Atlas is not for the faint of heart. You can be on the road for 18 days straight and you can have days off, somewhere other than home, so you can continue on your trip. If you have a family or significant other that you actually like, think very hard about whether you want to put them through it.

if you’re young, don’t haven any responsibilities and don’t mind putting your body through the constant fatigue of constant time zone changes, go for it.
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 20:46
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Originally Posted by Jester64
Some things have changed recently regarding flow to UA via the Aviate program (CommutAir and GoJet). No interview required now, itís an automatic flow upon enrolment into the program. From what I was told by CommutAir, Aussie pilots who get a green card from CommutAir after completing the command upgrade are able to enrol in the Aviate program.
Green card holders only. E3ís wonít be able to flow.
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Old 23rd Feb 2022, 21:08
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Thanks for the info Kenny, did you work there, and do you know what the terms and conditions are like and is it only commutable within the US. Thanks
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