Australian pilots can work for US regionals.
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...20by%20Airline
It's likely pretty much as advertised except not sure how much faith one can place in the "flow" to Frontier:
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...20by%20Airline
https://www.afap.org.au/pilot-jobs/p...20by%20Airline
I know there is a lot of debate over this, but I have spoken to the folks in the know regarding this (company and ALPA) and to paraphrase official word "No, unfortunately there is no flow for temporary (E3) visa holders" emphasis on temporary. And I gather this is industry wide for those of you at other companies with various CPP and flow programs. It's a great dream but just not going to happen. You will be bypassed if you are still even at your regional when your "flow time" arrives in 6-10 years time sadly.
If you are not a green card holder or citizen, regional is as far as it goes. Interestingly I know of a few guys who have even got as far as interviews at some of the LCCs but when it when it was explained the company would need to provide a LCA etc... for an E3 every 24 months it was a case of TBNT and "We are not offering this option at this time"
Frontier has a stack of apps 50 feet high on their desk as does Spirit and Allegiant (believe it or not) All from US permanent residents and citizens.
E3 is not something they are going to be looking at in the near future. They simply don't need to.
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It ain’t all that flash folks
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It’ll cost you.
Don’t forget, there’s more to an employment contract than money. Two things we take for granted here in Australia (mandated annual leave and universal healthcare) don’t exist in the USA.
Australian law mandates a minimum 5 weeks annual leave for shift workers from the get go (most airlines offer 6). With America being basically the only developed country (although that’s debatable) to not mandate a single day of annual leave for employees your leave is at the behest of your employer. For Trans State they’ll give you a grand total of 1 week annual leave after one year in the company, 2 weeks up until your 6th year and then only 3 weeks all the way until you’ve worked there for 14 years!
Health wise you’ll need to get your own health insurance as the US is the only “developed” country without universal healthcare. The health insurers used by regional airlines charge up to several thousand dollars per year for coverage. And that’s just the premiums. If you actually get sick get used to terms like “co-pays”, “deductibles” and “annual limits”. That’s why the average American spends about $8000 per year more on healthcare costs compared to the average Australian.
Don’t forget, there’s more to an employment contract than money. Two things we take for granted here in Australia (mandated annual leave and universal healthcare) don’t exist in the USA.
Australian law mandates a minimum 5 weeks annual leave for shift workers from the get go (most airlines offer 6). With America being basically the only developed country (although that’s debatable) to not mandate a single day of annual leave for employees your leave is at the behest of your employer. For Trans State they’ll give you a grand total of 1 week annual leave after one year in the company, 2 weeks up until your 6th year and then only 3 weeks all the way until you’ve worked there for 14 years!
Health wise you’ll need to get your own health insurance as the US is the only “developed” country without universal healthcare. The health insurers used by regional airlines charge up to several thousand dollars per year for coverage. And that’s just the premiums. If you actually get sick get used to terms like “co-pays”, “deductibles” and “annual limits”. That’s why the average American spends about $8000 per year more on healthcare costs compared to the average Australian.
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The best contract that Aussies on E3’s can work under is the Expressjet contract for anyone looking at doing the regional thing.
thats as it stands right now, things change quickly here.
thats as it stands right now, things change quickly here.
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Have to agree, right now ExpressJet is the #1 choice for E3 employment for Aussies. (And this comes from an e3 guy not at ExpressJet but working 121 US), havick is spot on..
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I'm wondering if anyone actually succeeded in getting an E3 petition approved for a flight crew job. The reason for this is that the E3 requirements not only demand that the beneficiary holds a Bachelor's degree or equivalent, but that the job itself is a specialty occupation which requires the worker to have a Bachelor's degree.
See here: https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/...html#0-0-0-573
“specialty occupation” means an occupation that requires the theoretical and practical application of a body of highly specialized knowledge, and attainment of a bachelor’s or higher degree in the specific specialty (or its equivalent) as a minimum for entry into the occupation.
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Realistically most people will get 'only' get $30k in bonuses as a lot of people won't have type ratings and most people are going to upgrade before the 2 year period so won't get those bonuses. Upgrade time at TSA is currently about 18 months, that's all true. Guys on the most recent upgrade course that just finished basically got a spot on upgrade once they had 1000 hours 121 time which takes about 18 months from initial hire. Training is about 3-4 months and then another 14-16 months to get 1000 hours on the line.
As for the health insurance, you are eligible for the company health plan on the first month after your start date. For me as a single, I am paying $180 a month for medical and dental coverage and the company covers the rest. I will pay everything up to $340 in and then up to $1,500 in co-pays for the year and then the rest will be free. Nowhere near as good as Australia however the absolute most I will pay over the year is $3,660 for full coverage.
People who are concerned about 'Aerocrew Solutions' as the advertiser shouldn't be. You can apply directly to Trans States and skip them if you want, alternatively you can contact me and I will refer you directly to the recruiter and we can split the $10k referral bonus.
With regards to the pay structure - you are paid a minimum of 75 hours a month at $38.01 an hour. This is paid from your initial start date and through training. 401k and per diems are completely separate to this. I personally have opted out of the 401k since you have to put money in before the company will put any in (i.e. if you put in 4% the company will put in 2% for you). Per diems are not paid through training as you are considered to be St Louis based however once you get to the line you will get $1.90 per diems for any time you are outside of your domicile. Most guys on the line are crediting a lot more than 75 hours however and the average is about 100 hours, meaning you will get about $3,800 a month before taxes. Again, this is going to be dependant on how much you want to work and you can earn more or less than this depending on your effort.
Frontier Flow - forget about it basically. I'm not sure if they are taking E3 visa holders however I do know that TSA are only releasing 2 pilots per month for the flow. This means that a new hire today is probably looking at about 5-6 years before their number would even be up for the flow.
Regarding the question about the E3 visa - I personally do not have an aviation degree or 12 years experience and I have an E3 visa. Effectively the US consulate considers your pilot licence as a 'professional qualification' and therefore you don't need a degree.
IMHO the opportunity here is really great if you're looking for some jet time and a quick upgrade to command to get some jet command time. I personally don't really want to work for an Aussie airline and I left a jet job in Australia to come here because I thought it would be a great opportunity. So far I haven't been disappointed but time will tell.
Happy to answer questions anyone might have about TSA, I don't know too much about the other companies though.
Yep, if you're thinking of coming up here to a regional you might want to take a good look at XJT now.
I'm wondering if anyone actually succeeded in getting an E3 petition approved for a flight crew job. The reason for this is that the E3 requirements not only demand that the beneficiary holds a Bachelor's degree or equivalent, but that the job itself is a specialty occupation which requires the worker to have a Bachelor's degree.
See here: https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/...html#0-0-0-573
See here: https://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/...html#0-0-0-573
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But for the purpose the US regional sector serves for our Aussie amigos, most of them are OK with ebbs and flows of goodies being just part of the game. Today's best regional will be next year's worst.
Watch the venom flow when DL and UAL (and all their career-destination brethren) negotiate their contracts in the next couple of years.
This stuff is just part of the game and will never change. Seeing a US regional list the shortfalls in pay and benefits is just another day in the airline biz.
Wanna get a leg up in the airline world to jump start a 30+ year career ? One should consider all the regionals here that'll give them a shot.
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I just flew with an Aussie guy here in the States on the E3 and he had an offer from a 777 cargo outfit. Unfortunately that outfit has worse T&C then most of the regionals, I advised him to proceed with great caution and only if he wanted it for a way to Asia.
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What they are offering is pretty close to actual. The bonus structure is not quite what they are advertising. You get $15k at the end of IOE + and additional $10k IF you have a type rating on your licence (i.e. an aircraft >5,700kg). You get an additional $15k 12 months after the end of IOE and then another $10k 24 months after IOE (only if you haven't upgraded) and then another $10k 36 months after IOE (again only if you haven't upgraded).
Realistically most people will get 'only' get $30k in bonuses as a lot of people won't have type ratings and most people are going to upgrade before the 2 year period so won't get those bonuses. Upgrade time at TSA is currently about 18 months, that's all true. Guys on the most recent upgrade course that just finished basically got a spot on upgrade once they had 1000 hours 121 time which takes about 18 months from initial hire. Training is about 3-4 months and then another 14-16 months to get 1000 hours on the line.
As for the health insurance, you are eligible for the company health plan on the first month after your start date. For me as a single, I am paying $180 a month for medical and dental coverage and the company covers the rest. I will pay everything up to $340 in and then up to $1,500 in co-pays for the year and then the rest will be free. Nowhere near as good as Australia however the absolute most I will pay over the year is $3,660 for full coverage.
People who are concerned about 'Aerocrew Solutions' as the advertiser shouldn't be. You can apply directly to Trans States and skip them if you want, alternatively you can contact me and I will refer you directly to the recruiter and we can split the $10k referral bonus.
With regards to the pay structure - you are paid a minimum of 75 hours a month at $38.01 an hour. This is paid from your initial start date and through training. 401k and per diems are completely separate to this. I personally have opted out of the 401k since you have to put money in before the company will put any in (i.e. if you put in 4% the company will put in 2% for you). Per diems are not paid through training as you are considered to be St Louis based however once you get to the line you will get $1.90 per diems for any time you are outside of your domicile. Most guys on the line are crediting a lot more than 75 hours however and the average is about 100 hours, meaning you will get about $3,800 a month before taxes. Again, this is going to be dependant on how much you want to work and you can earn more or less than this depending on your effort.
Frontier Flow - forget about it basically. I'm not sure if they are taking E3 visa holders however I do know that TSA are only releasing 2 pilots per month for the flow. This means that a new hire today is probably looking at about 5-6 years before their number would even be up for the flow.
Regarding the question about the E3 visa - I personally do not have an aviation degree or 12 years experience and I have an E3 visa. Effectively the US consulate considers your pilot licence as a 'professional qualification' and therefore you don't need a degree.
IMHO the opportunity here is really great if you're looking for some jet time and a quick upgrade to command to get some jet command time. I personally don't really want to work for an Aussie airline and I left a jet job in Australia to come here because I thought it would be a great opportunity. So far I haven't been disappointed but time will tell.
Happy to answer questions anyone might have about TSA, I don't know too much about the other companies though.
Realistically most people will get 'only' get $30k in bonuses as a lot of people won't have type ratings and most people are going to upgrade before the 2 year period so won't get those bonuses. Upgrade time at TSA is currently about 18 months, that's all true. Guys on the most recent upgrade course that just finished basically got a spot on upgrade once they had 1000 hours 121 time which takes about 18 months from initial hire. Training is about 3-4 months and then another 14-16 months to get 1000 hours on the line.
As for the health insurance, you are eligible for the company health plan on the first month after your start date. For me as a single, I am paying $180 a month for medical and dental coverage and the company covers the rest. I will pay everything up to $340 in and then up to $1,500 in co-pays for the year and then the rest will be free. Nowhere near as good as Australia however the absolute most I will pay over the year is $3,660 for full coverage.
People who are concerned about 'Aerocrew Solutions' as the advertiser shouldn't be. You can apply directly to Trans States and skip them if you want, alternatively you can contact me and I will refer you directly to the recruiter and we can split the $10k referral bonus.
With regards to the pay structure - you are paid a minimum of 75 hours a month at $38.01 an hour. This is paid from your initial start date and through training. 401k and per diems are completely separate to this. I personally have opted out of the 401k since you have to put money in before the company will put any in (i.e. if you put in 4% the company will put in 2% for you). Per diems are not paid through training as you are considered to be St Louis based however once you get to the line you will get $1.90 per diems for any time you are outside of your domicile. Most guys on the line are crediting a lot more than 75 hours however and the average is about 100 hours, meaning you will get about $3,800 a month before taxes. Again, this is going to be dependant on how much you want to work and you can earn more or less than this depending on your effort.
Frontier Flow - forget about it basically. I'm not sure if they are taking E3 visa holders however I do know that TSA are only releasing 2 pilots per month for the flow. This means that a new hire today is probably looking at about 5-6 years before their number would even be up for the flow.
Regarding the question about the E3 visa - I personally do not have an aviation degree or 12 years experience and I have an E3 visa. Effectively the US consulate considers your pilot licence as a 'professional qualification' and therefore you don't need a degree.
IMHO the opportunity here is really great if you're looking for some jet time and a quick upgrade to command to get some jet command time. I personally don't really want to work for an Aussie airline and I left a jet job in Australia to come here because I thought it would be a great opportunity. So far I haven't been disappointed but time will tell.
Happy to answer questions anyone might have about TSA, I don't know too much about the other companies though.
