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Took a $400k payout and retired to live the good life. Last spotted strutting around like a rooster and helping a different operator try to pick up the TMR contract!
Tubesteak
Doubt it about the aircraft. You need contracts and customers for that, and they are struggling with both. As for distancing themselves from APNG it is probably to avoid the incoming lawsuits stemming from the Dash crash.
And now that the free tea, coffee and bickies have been removed from Mcleaod street they are making a few bucks from the coffee machine! It's about the only money making idea that the Gladstone Garbo has implemented in his tenure!
They have also been stopped from selling tickets on the government routes from January 2015 forward
Complete professional. Where is he now?
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Sounds like Skytrans are in a bit of a pickle indeed. Question- selling off the fathers shareholding in the PNG side of things, will that mean that the family have no more interest in the company? I wonder how much they got for it? Will this now be used to refinance Skytrans? bigger newer aircraft etc.
And now that the free tea, coffee and bickies have been removed from Mcleaod street they are making a few bucks from the coffee machine! It's about the only money making idea that the Gladstone Garbo has implemented in his tenure!
They have also been stopped from selling tickets on the government routes from January 2015 forward
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Ret, the word in Cairns is,TCAS was sent up to PNG to clear up the mess left by his predecessor,especially the manuals.
He now says, he has restored the company to good health.
Although he had differences with CASA down south,he left on good terms and most of those problems were not his responsibility as he was on leave at the time. His deputy was in the chair at that time.
He now says, he has restored the company to good health.
Although he had differences with CASA down south,he left on good terms and most of those problems were not his responsibility as he was on leave at the time. His deputy was in the chair at that time.
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Today marks the third anniversary of P2-MCJ's accident.
RIP Jeffery Ako and the 27 others that died that day.
RIP Jeffery Ako and the 27 others that died that day.
The families of the deceased deserve justice. When will those accountable managers be held to account finally??
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Company grew from 1-10 aircraft in 5 years
In fact when AS was jammed in as the replacing chiefP, QRA had 8 dash8's they'd purchased from Qantas AND an International AOC too, with the boundaries of the International Date Line back to the Thai/Malay border... airframes were operating from Butterworth; Tonga/Fiji; 2 on the eastern seaboard and 2 at skipps... so in fact the "socks & sandals brigade" shrunk the operation after forfeiting the international OAC & severing any good relations established with the many capital city brokers... Dash 8's into Palmy and all other sorts of other broken rules followed, as they started receiving multiple "show-cause" notices ... Pity the good name of the C404 Skytrans days was tarnished by the Inland Pacific/Corporate Air Services (AAH) small town mentality, it could have been so much more successful
Anyway, no use crying over spilt milk.
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As a frequent viewer but rare poster on Pprune, with regards APNG , I am at a loss as to your reference to the Inland Pacific/QAS mentality.
APNG purchased Inland Pacific to obtain an Australian RPT A.O.C. which included external charter rights to PNG and Solomons. This AOC was needed to allow the transfer rego of PNG registered -8's to an Australian AOC as there was (I understand) a prohibition on export of the Dashes from PNG unless for Company use.
After the purchase of Inland Pacific, the "we know boats" mentality of the new owners quickly made IPA unprofitable.( Flying Dash 8's on a 10 minute sector to replace 404/402's , one or more of which could sit on the ground at Palm till the afternoon rush back to ABTL.)
At that stage, realising that they needed more utilisation for the -8"s they decided to expand and purchase Skytrans (which was a great and profitable operation).
They then stuffed that operation also trying to make it fit what APNG wanted, and not what the customer needed or was profitable..
As a frequent viewer but rare poster on Pprune, with regards APNG , I am at a loss as to your reference to the Inland Pacific/QAS mentality.
APNG purchased Inland Pacific to obtain an Australian RPT A.O.C. which included external charter rights to PNG and Solomons. This AOC was needed to allow the transfer rego of PNG registered -8's to an Australian AOC as there was (I understand) a prohibition on export of the Dashes from PNG unless for Company use.
After the purchase of Inland Pacific, the "we know boats" mentality of the new owners quickly made IPA unprofitable.( Flying Dash 8's on a 10 minute sector to replace 404/402's , one or more of which could sit on the ground at Palm till the afternoon rush back to ABTL.)
At that stage, realising that they needed more utilisation for the -8"s they decided to expand and purchase Skytrans (which was a great and profitable operation).
They then stuffed that operation also trying to make it fit what APNG wanted, and not what the customer needed or was profitable..
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So basically we have two 'once good airlines' placed in the hands of 'he who doesn't make eye contact', Pinocchio and the school teacher and the outcome is...... Speaks volumes really doesn't it?
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Not quite Palmis.
Corporate Air Services (in latter years renamed AAH) was the Cairns based management arm of APNG (old Milne Bay). When QRA gained it's Aust domestic AOC it was able to ferry it's purchased D8's to "the parent company's maintenance base" at Jacksons Field. They all went across on the QRA AOC, under their QF rego's, had total makeovers and most were re-rego'd under the VH-QQ series and re-deployed back in Australia on the QRA certificate.
QRA, as the Australian sister company of APNG, gained it's International AOC quickly and gained further work offshore, while Corporate Air Services went ahead with their purchase of the Garbutt based Inland Pacific and latter, as you say, Skytrans in 2006.
Two D8's were also at various times in Tonga and Solomons but under the P2 (APNG) lease/register.
Good plans to start with, growing APNG's interests but it lost it's way when it shrunk back into QLD and the matching mentality.
Hope to see APNG kick on 'cause there's too much to lose and so much out there (for the right operators
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Corporate Air Services (in latter years renamed AAH) was the Cairns based management arm of APNG (old Milne Bay). When QRA gained it's Aust domestic AOC it was able to ferry it's purchased D8's to "the parent company's maintenance base" at Jacksons Field. They all went across on the QRA AOC, under their QF rego's, had total makeovers and most were re-rego'd under the VH-QQ series and re-deployed back in Australia on the QRA certificate.
QRA, as the Australian sister company of APNG, gained it's International AOC quickly and gained further work offshore, while Corporate Air Services went ahead with their purchase of the Garbutt based Inland Pacific and latter, as you say, Skytrans in 2006.
Two D8's were also at various times in Tonga and Solomons but under the P2 (APNG) lease/register.
Good plans to start with, growing APNG's interests but it lost it's way when it shrunk back into QLD and the matching mentality.
Hope to see APNG kick on 'cause there's too much to lose and so much out there (for the right operators
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Any rumours still going around about a possible merge with ANG? Would still actually make logical sense regardless of all the negative spin that is generated on this forum.
With ANGs restructuring and fleet renewal, now would be the appropriate time from an administrative standpoint.
Form a good good management team from both organisations and you would have a highly profitable airline. And there are good people from both organisations who could make it work, contrary to what some people on this forum might believe.........
With ANGs restructuring and fleet renewal, now would be the appropriate time from an administrative standpoint.
Form a good good management team from both organisations and you would have a highly profitable airline. And there are good people from both organisations who could make it work, contrary to what some people on this forum might believe.........
Form a good good management team from both organisations and you would have a highly profitable airline. And there are good people from both organisations who could make it work, contrary to what some people on this forum might believe.........
Hahaha....good one!!!!
You're right, there are good people within both organisations, unfortunately they are often over ridden by 'wontok-ism', crony-ism and a bunch of other 'ism's!
About the last thing you want is for Px to become 'profitable'....can you imagine the how much more corruption/nepotism profit would attract?!?
No, PX is a government sponsored job creation scheme to employ lots of people who would otherwise be on the streets in all likely hood. To make it otherwise in the cultural/political environment that pervades in PNG is to invite disaster IMHO.
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Chocks,
Your recollection is somewhat flawed
AS arrived when the fleet consisted of one aircraft (VH-JSZ MSN008 now QQC) and crew in Mar 05, the aircraft returned from butterworth around the same time after a four month arrangement with RAAF via adagold.
The only other international contract held by QRA/Skytrans was the TOLL/ADF contract to Dili which lasted 6 years. QRA gained an IAOC mid 2007 and had approval to operate CNS/POM RPT, they did not operate the service unless to cover APNG.
CNS had two copper mine contracts,PMK RPT and after Macair cape and gulf
BNE had a coal mine with 4 aircraft and TMR the other during 2010 QQM also arrived the first of three DH3
to secure this volume of work in this period of time Commercial/Flight ops and engineering had to be and were a cohesive unit securing many sound contracts. AS was intrinsic to this success.
The slide started late 2010 which has been well documented in various forums.
Airframe data follows
1 QQA EX P2-??? PER 01/06
2 QQB EX TQO QF PER 01/06
3 QQC FORMERLY JSZ CNS 03/05
4 QQD EX P2-??? DRW 09/06
5 QQE EX BOING CAPITAL CNS 11/06
6 QQF EX P2-MCO CNS 03/07
7 QQG EX P2-??? PER 09/07
8 QQH ex gcas BNE 03/08
9 QQI leased BNE 06/08
10 QQJ ex gcas BNE 07/09
11 QQK leased BNE 09/09
12 QQL leased BNE 04/10
Your recollection is somewhat flawed
AS arrived when the fleet consisted of one aircraft (VH-JSZ MSN008 now QQC) and crew in Mar 05, the aircraft returned from butterworth around the same time after a four month arrangement with RAAF via adagold.
The only other international contract held by QRA/Skytrans was the TOLL/ADF contract to Dili which lasted 6 years. QRA gained an IAOC mid 2007 and had approval to operate CNS/POM RPT, they did not operate the service unless to cover APNG.
CNS had two copper mine contracts,PMK RPT and after Macair cape and gulf
BNE had a coal mine with 4 aircraft and TMR the other during 2010 QQM also arrived the first of three DH3
to secure this volume of work in this period of time Commercial/Flight ops and engineering had to be and were a cohesive unit securing many sound contracts. AS was intrinsic to this success.
The slide started late 2010 which has been well documented in various forums.
Airframe data follows
1 QQA EX P2-??? PER 01/06
2 QQB EX TQO QF PER 01/06
3 QQC FORMERLY JSZ CNS 03/05
4 QQD EX P2-??? DRW 09/06
5 QQE EX BOING CAPITAL CNS 11/06
6 QQF EX P2-MCO CNS 03/07
7 QQG EX P2-??? PER 09/07
8 QQH ex gcas BNE 03/08
9 QQI leased BNE 06/08
10 QQJ ex gcas BNE 07/09
11 QQK leased BNE 09/09
12 QQL leased BNE 04/10
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I hear Skytrans may have lost another good. Contract.Brings a tear to your eye doesn't it.
Just imagine how terrible it could have been if they didn't have such good managers running the show.
If only TCAS was still there. ah well, losers can't be winners!!
Just imagine how terrible it could have been if they didn't have such good managers running the show.
If only TCAS was still there. ah well, losers can't be winners!!
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Good news for REX!! Even by Simon Wilds own mouth he admits they are just a 'family business', and judging by the way they ran it he was correct!
The Government wanted strong, robust, compliant, reliable and safe contractors to deliver its important people around the network, so REX was an obvious choice when compared to the 'family business' run by an entrepreneur, Garbo and school teacher. No doubt TCAS and Pinocchio will be distraught, however they can take pride knowing that they did contribute immensely to this mess
My thoughts are for the frontline workers, especially pilots who have endured a lot of crap over the past few years thanks to the Muppets at the top. I hope the good people get picked up within industry.
It will be interesting to see what comes out of today's emergency management huddle which went all day. Last night the school teacher told all the students not to speak to media or anybody about the situation. I guess none of the kids listened!! Kids have no respect for their teachers these days
The Government wanted strong, robust, compliant, reliable and safe contractors to deliver its important people around the network, so REX was an obvious choice when compared to the 'family business' run by an entrepreneur, Garbo and school teacher. No doubt TCAS and Pinocchio will be distraught, however they can take pride knowing that they did contribute immensely to this mess
My thoughts are for the frontline workers, especially pilots who have endured a lot of crap over the past few years thanks to the Muppets at the top. I hope the good people get picked up within industry.
It will be interesting to see what comes out of today's emergency management huddle which went all day. Last night the school teacher told all the students not to speak to media or anybody about the situation. I guess none of the kids listened!! Kids have no respect for their teachers these days
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The Wild family have had little to do with APNG for some time now. This new deal will be the final axe to the relationship. With the death of Sir John Wild I think Simon will no longer be interested in running an airline.
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It is very difficult to own 60% of a company and not have a lot to to do with it. SW was the chairman of the board and had majority say in the operation. It was just you never saw him, he was too busy with Skytrans and his other interests, but believe me he was the faceless person that they meant when they said the, "the board says". Now NASFUND and MRDC pull the strings and decide on operational matters. Effectively the Wild's are no longer the bosses.
Wild's 5%
MRDC 41%
NASFUND 40%
Public 14%
It will be interesting to see what price the shares come back onto the market at. My bet 13 Toea down from 33 toea. I suppose the money raised will be used to pay off the debts. After all debts settled I suppose the Wild's only have 5% of what was once a quite profitable operation.
I think it will be a better place to work at with a committed board.
Hopefully the re capitalisation will be enough.
I still predict pain for the troops though. It has been left a basket case, which needs lots of capital to see it go forward, but PNG has many resource projects coming up so in the long run it will ok, I think?
Wild's 5%
MRDC 41%
NASFUND 40%
Public 14%
It will be interesting to see what price the shares come back onto the market at. My bet 13 Toea down from 33 toea. I suppose the money raised will be used to pay off the debts. After all debts settled I suppose the Wild's only have 5% of what was once a quite profitable operation.
I think it will be a better place to work at with a committed board.
Hopefully the re capitalisation will be enough.
I still predict pain for the troops though. It has been left a basket case, which needs lots of capital to see it go forward, but PNG has many resource projects coming up so in the long run it will ok, I think?
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If you went on form he at stretch may just make the bench.
The clowns in PNG will be backslapping and high fiveing each other at this "success".
Reality with PNG is that air transport is a must not a nice to have, competent management would have traded out of the mess making the difficult calls as required to do so.
This lot would have achieved the current result with a brown paper bag.
The clowns in PNG will be backslapping and high fiveing each other at this "success".
Reality with PNG is that air transport is a must not a nice to have, competent management would have traded out of the mess making the difficult calls as required to do so.
This lot would have achieved the current result with a brown paper bag.