CRASH TOLL/Airwork Boeing 737F ZK-TLC HONIARA
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And SW and United have 1200 jets between them and Delta and American another 1200 together and there are 10 million people in LA, 320 million in land of free with snow ice rain etc ? What Delta flies in 1 year takes ANZ for example 70 years to fly. It would take Toll / Airwork 10,000 years to do same yearly flying as Southwest.
A couple of 737s in NZ and a whopping 3 million people, seems a lot of gear failures at ANZ regional and Airwork if you have a google.
No agenda can just sniff there maybe something wrong if the surface ever gets scratched by the regulator.
A couple of 737s in NZ and a whopping 3 million people, seems a lot of gear failures at ANZ regional and Airwork if you have a google.
No agenda can just sniff there maybe something wrong if the surface ever gets scratched by the regulator.
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might wanna do some more fact finding there mate.
the land of the free, that bought us all lags regs, airport xrays and mass shootings by depressed kids in schools and cinemas yeah right.
thanks for that
but as you so rightly pointed out nz is so statistically irrelevant, just 1 incident is going to skew the results.
the land of the free, that bought us all lags regs, airport xrays and mass shootings by depressed kids in schools and cinemas yeah right.
thanks for that
but as you so rightly pointed out nz is so statistically irrelevant, just 1 incident is going to skew the results.
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KBoy agree 100% catastrophic failure not just up or folded so lets see what's the story .
and my other friend yes I was wrong it would take them 12000 years to fly the same landings as Southwest.
and my other friend yes I was wrong it would take them 12000 years to fly the same landings as Southwest.
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A couple of 737s in NZ and a whopping 3 million people, seems a lot of gear failures at ANZ regional and Airwork if you have a google.
When was Airwork's last gear collapse?
There have been multiple main gear collapses on the the 737 all around the world in the past 5 years.
Accident: PIA B733 at Muscat on Feb 11th 2013, main gear collapse on landing
http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/3...-collapse.html
Accident: Shaheen B734 at Karachi on Apr 22nd 2012, left main gear collapse on landing
Accident: Sky Airlines B734 at Antalya on Oct 10th 2011, gear collapse on landing
Accident: Aeromexico B737 at San Francisco on Jul 21st 2009, gear collapse
And I believe the last US gear collapse was Southwest's gear collapse, when somebody attempted to land on the nose gear first.
How many of these incidents occurred on the ZK register?
So I ask again, what is your beef with Airwork. Why are you so interested in slagging a small relatively unknown operator based in the South Pacific that operate a rag tag fleet of B737 classics seemingly that your based all the way in FL?
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Warren9 and the like,
your post has WHAT to do with a busted B737 at HIR!!
At least 4 Holer is on subject......
And my take, well it is busted and looks Flaps 1, so leading edge deployed as would be expected.
HIR is 2200m long, with Domestic taxy way around 1800m in from RW 24.
Relevance, don't know what runway the aircraft landed , if 24, seems early in the peace to be retracting flap (unless very light and thus slow), if 06 would have thought flaps up would be normal...not unusual at all to clean up on the runway considering such a short taxyway to either the International/Domestic tarmac.
your post has WHAT to do with a busted B737 at HIR!!
At least 4 Holer is on subject......
And my take, well it is busted and looks Flaps 1, so leading edge deployed as would be expected.
HIR is 2200m long, with Domestic taxy way around 1800m in from RW 24.
Relevance, don't know what runway the aircraft landed , if 24, seems early in the peace to be retracting flap (unless very light and thus slow), if 06 would have thought flaps up would be normal...not unusual at all to clean up on the runway considering such a short taxyway to either the International/Domestic tarmac.
I'll humour him.. or is that spelt humor him....
So 4 Holer, you start a thread, well 3 threads on a B737F that has a gear collapse in HIR.
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...c-honiara.html
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...h-honiara.html
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...f-honiara.html
Interesting choice of words too.. lets emphasize the word CRASH.. and not gear collapse.
You want this thread on the gear collapse kept open.
Talk about Schadenfreude....
Lets throw a few wild allegations in there too..
You mention you fly/flew DC8s
You also mention that your heading to BNE on the HeavyLift DC8.
There happens to be one DC8 doing the BNE-POM run..
http://ybbn.********.co.nz/2013/12/d...-ob-2059p.html (*******) = b l o g spot
And I see you have a healthy dislike for the B737F, fair enough, personal opinion...
http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/4...ml#post7088234
You also allude to the fact that it's crazy, damn crazy I tell you, that a NZ operator can be based out of BNE flying to the Pacific.
So heres guessing that your on a ex N registered DC8, that happens to be technically based in POM, but really out of BNE, operating on a Peruvian register... talk about kettle calling pot...
Heavylift Cargo re-registers its DC-8-73(F) in Peru - ch-aviation.com
So putting two and too together.. Airwork are your competitors.
So 4 Holer, you start a thread, well 3 threads on a B737F that has a gear collapse in HIR.
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...c-honiara.html
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...h-honiara.html
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...f-honiara.html
Interesting choice of words too.. lets emphasize the word CRASH.. and not gear collapse.
You want this thread on the gear collapse kept open.
TW. Good keep the thread open. Have photos coming under the aircraft, smashed wheelwell and gear ripped out will post.
Lets throw a few wild allegations in there too..
MAYBE THEY WERE TRYING TO GO AROUND BEFORE GOING IN THE GRASS.
I have only flown 3/4 engines 72/74/DC8s ??
I am heading down that way soon on the HEAVYLIFT DC8-73F will spend most time in Brisbane.
http://ybbn.********.co.nz/2013/12/d...-ob-2059p.html (*******) = b l o g spot
And I see you have a healthy dislike for the B737F, fair enough, personal opinion...
http://www.pprune.org/freight-dogs/4...ml#post7088234
You also allude to the fact that it's crazy, damn crazy I tell you, that a NZ operator can be based out of BNE flying to the Pacific.
J.M.
I received a few P.Ms seems that its NZ rego allows Toll to operate Australia domestic under NZCAA away from the CASA who the PMs say are more strict for Australia domestic.
That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............
Seems luck ran out today if they are what you say, wonder if the gear has records back to berth ??
BTW,did a bit of googling seven planes ALL different 733F,734F,737P,734P from all over the place no way would the FEDS (FAA) let you run on 121 cert so many variables/types and pax with such a small fleet .................Must have a friendly CAA inspector or two
I received a few P.Ms seems that its NZ rego allows Toll to operate Australia domestic under NZCAA away from the CASA who the PMs say are more strict for Australia domestic.
That sounds real crazy like if the Canadians could come fly domestic in USA and Vice versa WTF...............
Seems luck ran out today if they are what you say, wonder if the gear has records back to berth ??
BTW,did a bit of googling seven planes ALL different 733F,734F,737P,734P from all over the place no way would the FEDS (FAA) let you run on 121 cert so many variables/types and pax with such a small fleet .................Must have a friendly CAA inspector or two
Heavylift Cargo re-registers its DC-8-73(F) in Peru - ch-aviation.com
So putting two and too together.. Airwork are your competitors.
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I suspect NZ registered B737s operating in Australian air space may be a tad safer operation than Philippines registered B727-100/200's and a Short Belfast and now a Peruvian registered DC8-73 operating in Australian air space, eh 4 Holer?
Lots of work gone into that post 'Gatey' not too sure why you would bother I mean there's lots of people on here who have an agenda etc & the furter you delve the more you 'feed' these guys & the end result is a Mod slams it shut & then it gets re-invented as we have seen here, all amusing really & at the end of the day really who cares?
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Lots of work gone into that post 'Gatey' not too sure why you would bother...
Pretty poor form to bag and take pleasure in what is a reasonably serious incident that could have involved injuries, involving your competitor..
I'm sure other more civilized operators don't take pleasure in watching their competitors literally crash and burn.
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It appears that if the TE flaps were extended any greater then the position in the photos (F1, F2 or F5 perhaps?) when the gear failed, there would have been much more damage to the inboard TE flap from the (collapsing) outboard RH main wheel?
Would a flap asymmetry at 1,2 or 5 mean a landing at the existing flap setting? I recall an OzJet early model 73 having a LE flap drama in Noumea, I think? Badly broken actuator?
Would a flap asymmetry at 1,2 or 5 mean a landing at the existing flap setting? I recall an OzJet early model 73 having a LE flap drama in Noumea, I think? Badly broken actuator?
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That was the initial question why are the flaps up and when......
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God luv's a scandal, but I am not your competitor but thanks for the compliment. I have no idea of your competition where, when , route etc but I can tell you from experience a little about a B767F and -73F . I would suggest on a mid length route say 3-7 hours with 50,000 - 100,000 pound payload a B767F or-73F will wipe the floor with a B737F on a per pound basis. Is this what you are panicking about ?? Lets stick to topic you can go start another thread.
That was the initial question why are the flaps up and when......
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God luv's a scandal, but I am not your competitor but thanks for the compliment. I have no idea of your competition where, when , route etc but I can tell you from experience a little about a B767F and -73F . I would suggest on a mid length route say 3-7 hours with 50,000 - 100,000 pound payload a B767F or-73F will wipe the floor with a B737F on a per pound basis. Is this what you are panicking about ?? Lets stick to topic you can go start another thread.
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Sure, and if you only have 10 -30,000 lbs to shift, what's the point of paying for a 767? The 737 does that fine, and cheaper. I'm sure that if Toll needed to shift 50 to 100,000 lbs, then they would seriously value your input......
And the 767 F has to do with HIR how?!?!?!
Talk about not sticking to topic!
Do you seriously just open your mouth to just change feet?!!
The topic is why are you so keen to bag Toll/Airwork ?!
Talk about not sticking to topic!
Do you seriously just open your mouth to just change feet?!!
The topic is why are you so keen to bag Toll/Airwork ?!