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Qf base has always been so much higher and now in order to be competitive they need to lower it- hence the conflict with the unions.
Also VA has had the benefit of most staff experiencing the growth of the airline from nothing and the pride ensuing from that. More likely then that the staff feel more connected to the challenges.
They feel the pinch of not enough money every day.
. These days it's business 101.
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Qantas is not too big to fail, in fact it is probably the best possible outcome for the business as it would create the opportunity for someone to pick up the carcass and have a crack without the legacy baggage that the airline currently carries.
Their plan?
Let Qantas declare itself broke. Sack everybody and let Jetstar take over. Everybody gets reemployed on half salary ... Does anybody remember 1989?
Seriously there is an evil plan. Bus Drivers on $500,000 are in target range
Let Qantas declare itself broke. Sack everybody and let Jetstar take over. Everybody gets reemployed on half salary ... Does anybody remember 1989?
Seriously there is an evil plan. Bus Drivers on $500,000 are in target range
Ahhh all good except for one small detail.
The gentleman that "went back" in 1989 were paid a LOT more money. They had to work their asses off but it was a LOT MORE MONEY.
The gentleman that "went back" in 1989 were paid a LOT more money. They had to work their asses off but it was a LOT MORE MONEY.
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Berealgetreal. A interesting letter. The difference with the staff I worked with in TAA and later QF have very little to do with the staff of today. I believe its called attitude. You don't have to go far to see it, sometimes in your own kids, regardless of how you try to bring them up. In all fairness to QF staff though, they had their careers taken away from them, and put on contracts, by Dixon. That immediately had a effect on customer service, and they quickly developed a "who givsa" attitude, never seen in Asian Carriers. Most of the staff of today would not have lasted five minutes in the "old" TN/QF/AN. I believe its called progress. Recently we took a trip on both JQ and QF. JQ to SYD from BNE, SYD to LAX, QF (business class). There was no comparison. On JQ my wife was assisted with her cabin luggage, the girls were sociable, and friendly, and we enjoyed the flight, then some hours later on to QF. The CC watched her try to put her small bag in the overhead locker, (she is fifty kilo's, wringing wet) did not ask if she needed any help, she asked how the sleeper beds worked, they said its easy to work out, and left it at that. I put it down to that we were on staff travel, on the manifest, and therefore should be treated as such. But then "attitude" raised its ugly head again, not just to us, but all around us. Some of these young flight attendants, really are just plain rude, and disrespectful, but on the trip home we had a much older crew, who were good, efficient, and God help us, pleasant. I wrote a letter to QF, telling of them about attitude problems, I am still waiting for a answer, but perhaps then again, staff opinions don't count. If I had to pay five grand to fly business, I would look to SQ/TG, where you are treated politely, and with respect, regardless of what they really think of you. On QF, you are left in no doubt, by some. I have no idea if the Tech crew receive the same treatment, I cannot imagine it, but then again.............?
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For what it's worth....
I had a very interesting lunch with a couple of MacBank fund managers yesterday. Getting the conversation around to Qantas, I was amazed to hear what they essentially were suggesting was the 'game plan' that had been doing the rounds amongst the big institutionals. The essence of it was:
* A consortium of some sort has been gathering pace for sometime, using mostly local capital. They insinuated that this had been the reason why the Abbott govt has been sitting on its hands. Said the 'Go' price was about 90cents a share, and some funds have been shorting the stock with this figure in mind.
* Chris Corrigan has been approached as a potential CEO under the consortium-led Qantas. Corrigan is currently chairman of QUBE. No surprises as to what the motive would be there.
* Regardless of the outcomes, they seemed to be of the view that Joyce's days are numbered. If Corrigan was to get the gig, Leigh Clifford would retain his board spot in a combined effort to go union-busting.
Certainly sounds like a situation that will gather pace very quickly.
* A consortium of some sort has been gathering pace for sometime, using mostly local capital. They insinuated that this had been the reason why the Abbott govt has been sitting on its hands. Said the 'Go' price was about 90cents a share, and some funds have been shorting the stock with this figure in mind.
* Chris Corrigan has been approached as a potential CEO under the consortium-led Qantas. Corrigan is currently chairman of QUBE. No surprises as to what the motive would be there.
* Regardless of the outcomes, they seemed to be of the view that Joyce's days are numbered. If Corrigan was to get the gig, Leigh Clifford would retain his board spot in a combined effort to go union-busting.
Certainly sounds like a situation that will gather pace very quickly.
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Qf base has always been so much higher and now in order to be competitive they need to lower it- hence the conflict with the unions.
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So which would the unions rather? Their members get paid a marginally lower base rate?
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Yes they were paid a lot more money but they were paid to be productive- if they didn't want to work the hours, the money was pretty ordinary.
Productivity gains= fewer needed to do the job.
Make no mistake , as I have been saying this is a course of action which has been in train for some time. Qantas will survive but as a leaner entity where everyone will work for every cent. Qantas livery, Jetstar conditions.
Yes they were paid a lot more money but they were paid to be productive- if they didn't want to work the hours, the money was pretty ordinary.
Productivity gains= fewer needed to do the job.
Make no mistake , as I have been saying this is a course of action which has been in train for some time. Qantas will survive but as a leaner entity where everyone will work for every cent. Qantas livery, Jetstar conditions.
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The unions are responding to the workers fears that they won't be able to meet their financial obligations on a lower salary.
And the pay drop will be significant- with the option for overtime to earn more, but everyone will have to work much harder to earn anywhere near the money.
Also as the airlines recruited post '89, there were fewer jobs available due to the fact that fewer pilots could achieve the same productivity through different conditions.
I hope it doesn't come to this but if it is Corrigan, I would get your house in order and be prepared.
The unions are responding to the workers fears that they won't be able to meet their financial obligations on a lower salary.
And the pay drop will be significant- with the option for overtime to earn more, but everyone will have to work much harder to earn anywhere near the money.
Also as the airlines recruited post '89, there were fewer jobs available due to the fact that fewer pilots could achieve the same productivity through different conditions.
I hope it doesn't come to this but if it is Corrigan, I would get your house in order and be prepared.
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Why does it always come back to unions and pay?
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True, but so do Telstra, Australia Post and a number of other privatised companies.
Telstra has a huge advantage in infrastructure terms that makes it hard for anyone else, no matter how much money they have to come in and compete. If it wasn't for some services that I can't get from anybody else I would dump Telstra in a instance.
As for Qantas I havn't done much traveling in the last several years, but in the past no matter how much I wanted to use them the hip pocket wouldn't allow it. Sentiment will only let you go so far.
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Sure, but Qantas also had huge advantages and superior infrastructure compared to Virgin, particularly after the Ansett collapse. Virgin started with a handful of aircraft operating out of scungy terminals, and yet they're allegedly whomping Qantas only a decade after they started.
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rh200 As for Qantas I havn't done much traveling in the last several years, but in the past no matter how much I wanted to use them the hip pocket wouldn't allow it. Sentiment will only let you go so far.
e.g. if you want to fly MEL-SYD next Thursday 12 Dec, arriving before 09:00, you could pay: $96 (Jetstar, inc. bag), $115 (Tiger, inc. bag) $245 (Virgin, no bag) or $175 (Qantas, inc. bag). Virgin's advertised low price of $115 is available only after 8 PM - no good if you plan to do anything daytime in Sydney.
Just saying - the proposition that the Roo is always the most expensive is a fallacy. Domestic mainline is competing with Jetstar - they've successfully commoditised their own business because there's only a very small, unadvertised benefit in the mainline product.
However the assertion does hold true in the business segment where QF really wants to compete. QF business is priced according to demand through the day - $595 in the middle of the day, $799 at peak times, while Virgin is a flat $639 all day. Not sure what relative load factors are like - hardly ever see anyone on Virgin's business class on flights I have taken, while QF seems to be maxed out - probably all public service types.
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A friend of mine at Airports just reserved a couple of seats on todays DXB flight for the CEO, INT CEO, JQ CEO, Queen of Loyalty and co… I guess the sell off gains momentum….
Interesting that the new uniform for Frontline staff has no Kangaroo or any assimilation with anything Australian. Not even the word Qantas appears on the name badge.
Will make the "transformation" to 90% foreign owned a seamless end to end experience for all.
Interesting that the new uniform for Frontline staff has no Kangaroo or any assimilation with anything Australian. Not even the word Qantas appears on the name badge.
Will make the "transformation" to 90% foreign owned a seamless end to end experience for all.
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Most companies have a rule that limit the number of Execs who fly together, just in case the unthinkable happens. Guess that last story tells a lot about the value of QF Execs.
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Interesting that the new uniform for Frontline staff has no Kangaroo or any assimilation with anything Australian. Not even the word Qantas appears on the name badge.
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Interesting that the new uniform for Frontline staff has no Kangaroo or any assimilation with anything Australian. Not even the word Qantas appears on the name badge.
Just getting everyone ready to wear an Emirates uniform.
Interesting that the new uniform for Frontline staff has no Kangaroo or any assimilation with anything Australian. Not even the word Qantas appears on the name badge.
Just getting everyone ready to wear an Emirates uniform.
1. Half the International fleet to be operated by JQ
2. The other half to Ek and jointly operated
