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MERGED: Alan's still not happy......

Old 11th Apr 2014, 22:40
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AJ's announcement of 5000 jobs to go & pay freezes across the board were directed at the financial & investment community.

The impact of those statements on employees is collateral damage in AJ's war on a weakened share price.
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 23:04
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That raises another interesting point.

If that announcement was made specifically for the markets and share price and it did not reflect what was really going on, then doesn't that raise issues re "false and deceptive conduct" under Corporations Law?

I did say "if".
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Old 11th Apr 2014, 23:39
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fait accompli

AJ's announcements implied the pay freezes & the equivalent of 5000 full time jobs to go as a certainty.

Meanwhile, we are collectively struggling to see where the 5000 jobs will come from.

So too, the Enterprise bargaining processes when it comes time to negotiating labour agreements.

As mentioned by a different poster earlier on this thread. The vast majority of mainline pilots aren't prepared to give this mob ANY pay freeze.

MC.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 07:19
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As mentioned by a different poster earlier on this thread. The vast majority of mainline pilots aren't prepared to give this mob ANY pay freeze.
What rock have you been hiding under? Shorthaul’s last payrise was in 2011. It feels like a 3 year pay freeze already. I’m not seeing the vast majority of anyone doing squat to change it.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 08:08
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What rock have you been hiding under? Shorthaul’s last payrise was in 2011. It feels like a 3 year pay freeze already. I’m not seeing the vast majority of anyone doing squat to change it.
So what have you in mind cesspool? Red ties or sternly worded PA’s. Maybe another visit to Monty Python’s flying circus to get some other ideas, the last ones were corkers.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 10:31
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Do you think the Red ties and PAs might send AJ over the edge?
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 10:39
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Pilots will have the opportunity to voice their opinions with a LH EBA survey.

Each one to their own.

I for one, will not give them a LH Pay freeze for more of the same.

Those drinking the cool aid will tell you a pay freeze will give you job security.

That's bu))$/-t.

Have a look at the Chinese carriers. 18k USD per month net and commute from NZ or Aus.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 11:11
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Guys(and gals),

Its all about management's divide and conquer principles.

Keep that in the back of your mind, and FFS, stick together!
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 11:24
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MC, don't forget Shorthaul is already well into for a pay freeze as their EBA long over.
Redpanda, you are so right, we are soon to have long haul, short haul, and Jetstar all in a PIA period!
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 11:33
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...and Eastern flight crew, shortly Sunstate as well and the Sunstate FAs. Seems like a very convenient time for a "pay freeze". Will it apply to Cobham and Network..?
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 20:51
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There is no point negotiatig with QF, you cannot trust them as they have conclusively demonstrated to the Engineers.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 23:03
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Will it apply to Cobham and Network
Cobham is not owned by qantas, so no;
Network is, so yes
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 23:25
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Originally Posted by ConfigFull View Post
Will it apply to Cobham and Network..?
Cobham may not be owned by QF, but rest assured they are subject to cost reduction pressures just like every bode else. They have gone back to 3 cabin crew on the East Coast, QF are directly interfering with Cobham's fuel planing (not a drop more than flight plan fuel is to be carried) and you can bet your house that pay freezes will be on the cards come EBA time. If Cobham doesn't agree to these cost cutting demands, QF can choose not to renew the contract. It's not all rosy over here either.

Divide and conquer? Absolutely! Stick together guys and girls, or he gets his way.
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Old 13th Apr 2014, 23:32
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Recall the introduction of the new Engineering Maintanix system was a one off cost of over $300M.

AJ has invested $33M into JQ HKG with another $33M top up soon.

They are loosing $4M a week cause of parked A320's.

They have a higher fuel bill cause they have failed to send new aircraft to mainline, instead to Asian franchises.

The reported loss was only $252M.

And they want me to subsidise their failed strategies by taking a pay freeze.

I'm seeing honest hardworking colleagues around me demoted because Alan has failed to invest and grow the mainline business.

I recall AJ stating sometime ago, never let a crisis go to waste.

Sorry Alan. I'm not taking a pay freeze for more of the same or to subsidise failed ventures.

MC.
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 10:45
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Elaine is a compulsive gambler. He has really never lost, which simply reinforces the behaviour and, IMHO is why he has the disease so badly.

Any cent provided to him through savings, or gifted (by govt. or shareholders/investors) will be wasted. I would suggest it will only exacerbate the problem.

You do not give a gambler money, just like you keep heroin away from a junkie.
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 11:12
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Old 14th Apr 2014, 11:42
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Dear Alan please watch.....

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Old 15th Apr 2014, 00:01
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http://english.alarabiya.net/en/busi...-Emirates.html


“Emirates has bypassed equity investments in bigger and more successful airlines than Qantas, so what makes Qantas think they are so special that Emirates will invest in their loss-making business?”



Ahmad said that management changes at Qantas would be more beneficial than foreign investment.

“Even if the Qantas Sale Act is changed, where exactly are the cash-rich investors that want to buy into Qantas? Qantas’ credit rating is at an all-time low and represents atrocious value,” he said. “I don't think investment is the issue… If Qantas wants to survive, it needs to change – and that change has to start at the very top.”
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 00:56
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Good Friday

What the probability there will some news coming out from Coward street Thursday afternoon at 4:59pm?

Then heels up for a well deserved Easter Break.
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Old 15th Apr 2014, 08:35
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Nice flight sim pictures, but your message would be better conveyed in a 30-word message
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