MERGED: Alan's still not happy......
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I'm wondering the same thing, Chock. I must be missing something as well.
Me too.
QF should be very worried. If Jetstar were backed by emirates and went premium with its existing scale and cost base it would eat the red tails alive.
That's why it'd never happen.
QF should be very worried. If Jetstar were backed by emirates and went premium with its existing scale and cost base it would eat the red tails alive.
That's why it'd never happen.
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The Green Goblin,
GG, my horse loving friend, you should know with "existing scale and cost base" Jet* is lucky to organise a 'Lift' (compartment elevator required due stairs) for a Wheel Chair pax without crew trying to convince the pax of a miracle in-flight, that they can walk down stairs, just to save a few minutes on turn-around or on sign off, to get to car park.
First/Business class Emirates pax, having flown all the way to OZ/SYD, then eg. JQ BNA (Byron Bay) will just love the crew hospitality(tainted by duties and long days) , a meal voucher for a toasty, seating that possibly Joyce could fit, cabin baggage space only for the first in line if full AC etc, while they fly into a into an OCTA, 30m wide regional 'airport' that diversions are common.
Yeah, the Red tails should be so worried about being eating alive...you have such a great product you could just paint the tails red and nobody would notice.....
FFRATS
If Jetstar were backed by emirates and went premium with its existing scale and cost base it would eat the red tails alive.
GG, my horse loving friend, you should know with "existing scale and cost base" Jet* is lucky to organise a 'Lift' (compartment elevator required due stairs) for a Wheel Chair pax without crew trying to convince the pax of a miracle in-flight, that they can walk down stairs, just to save a few minutes on turn-around or on sign off, to get to car park.
First/Business class Emirates pax, having flown all the way to OZ/SYD, then eg. JQ BNA (Byron Bay) will just love the crew hospitality(tainted by duties and long days) , a meal voucher for a toasty, seating that possibly Joyce could fit, cabin baggage space only for the first in line if full AC etc, while they fly into a into an OCTA, 30m wide regional 'airport' that diversions are common.
Yeah, the Red tails should be so worried about being eating alive...you have such a great product you could just paint the tails red and nobody would notice.....
FFRATS
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That's another thing I can't understand. The First Class passenger gets off Emirates with 50 kilos of baggage, and rechecks onto Jetstar, how will that go down? And when they ask for their freshly brewed expresso, what will the answer be?
I don't get it.
I don't get it.
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I don't think Tim Clark could give a rats ar$3 whether an Emirates passenger arriving in Australia subsequently boarded either a Qantas, JQ flight, train, boat or rickshaw.
All Tim wants is the passenger to fly on Emirates rather than Etihad or another different carrier & he's already achieved that without any equity injection.
MC.
All Tim wants is the passenger to fly on Emirates rather than Etihad or another different carrier & he's already achieved that without any equity injection.
MC.
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Emirates may help Qantas and or the government, but it may come at a cost.
See the following quote.
"Joining up the dots and flying Transpacific services is the only piece of the jigsaw missing" Tim Clark.
See the following quote.
"Joining up the dots and flying Transpacific services is the only piece of the jigsaw missing" Tim Clark.
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How else is a passenger suppose to get to Ballina Dumbarse?
Shovel = jetstar cadet based in gold coast.
FFRATS
FFRATS
And I guess if the captain is incapacitated on one of your long haul services you're down to an effo who probably hasn't been given a landing for 3 months. Plus two 200k uniform parading erc specialists. They are sandwich eating volmet operators who have never landed the darn aeroplane.
These guys got into the company with 500 hours, logged a few thousand in the back seat and when finally checked in the right seat, had less experience in the seat than a Jetstar cadet after restriction has been lifted.
You Qantas guys are certainly bitter. It's not jetstars fault. If it were not Jetstar it'd be tiger and Qantas would be really in deep **** without any of that revenue. You'd have no MOU and no chance of a secondment in Jetstar if there are CRs.
If Qantas were so great and competitive, there'd be no Jetstar.
And I guess if the captain is incapacitated on one of your long haul services you're down to an effo who probably hasn't been given a landing for 3 months. Plus two 200k uniform parading erc specialists. They are sandwich eating volmet operators who have never landed the darn aeroplane.
These guys got into the company with 500 hours, logged a few thousand in the back seat and when finally checked in the right seat, had less experience in the seat than a Jetstar cadet after restriction has been lifted.
You Qantas guys are certainly bitter. It's not jetstars fault. If it were not Jetstar it'd be tiger and Qantas would be really in deep **** without any of that revenue. You'd have no MOU and no chance of a secondment in Jetstar if there are CRs.
If Qantas were so great and competitive, there'd be no Jetstar.
Plus two 200k uniform parading erc specialists. They are sandwich eating volmet operators who have never landed the darn aeroplane.
I don't eat the sandwiches.
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If Qantas were so great and competitive, there'd be no Jetstar.
And $200k Sandwich eaters are very good value for money (though I doubt the 200k figure, lets say $150-180MAX!?) because otherwise you have 2 complete crews. That is another issue.
Jetstar is nothing about efficiency (if it was it would be making money) it is about cash extraction and creating off book tradeable entities. I put it to you that Tiger would not, could not compete with QF, because, as our idiot board and senior management do not realise, people actually like going to MEL when they want to go to MEL and sitting in a reasonable seat. Completely different market. Not everyone is a backpacker. If it was only Tiger to compete with, you probably would have had QF management working on the company as opposed to financial shenanigans.
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GG, I used to enjoy your posts as being reasonably insightful and interesting, however IMHO you've just lowered yourself to ,'Goose' level.
Amongst the QF S/O's are a lot of extremely talented people, including former and current Test Pilots, Trash Hauler and Combat Pilots from GW 1 and 2 and Afghanistan, and a lot of former airline F/O's and Captains, all of which I am privileged to be able to work with.
Perhaps your post was 'tongue in cheek' and if so a smilie would be appropriate. If not, GFYS.
Amongst the QF S/O's are a lot of extremely talented people, including former and current Test Pilots, Trash Hauler and Combat Pilots from GW 1 and 2 and Afghanistan, and a lot of former airline F/O's and Captains, all of which I am privileged to be able to work with.
Perhaps your post was 'tongue in cheek' and if so a smilie would be appropriate. If not, GFYS.
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You Qantas guys are certainly bitter. It's not jetstars fault. If it were not Jetstar it'd be tiger and Qantas would be really in deep **** without any of that revenue
The answer is no information has been made public that allows confirmation, nor equally disproof of your statements. These statements simply cannot be tested, and are therefore moot until more information is released.
But the question is, if there was evidence to validate such statements and put this question to rest, why haven't they been released?
So by propagating as fact, such statements without the possibility of either verification or falsification you become an unwitting agent of disinformation.
If you can point me to factual sources that validate your argument, I will STFU.
I would also add that these techniques are being honed on mainline, and once the end game is revealed, they will be rolled out into other group entities. You can be assured it may be someone else's problem today, but it is only a question of time before it is deployed on all "group" entities in the future. You won't escape it, as the pressure will always be there to continuously cut costs, there is no end point for this process.
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GG
That's the problem with some JQ pilots, you really have little understanding of QF's Long Haul ops and crew. I on the other hand know yours very well....
That 'effo' in your story would be over 15 yrs in QF, most likely have been a B767 or B737 FO for 5+ years and SO before that and GA/RAAF before that.
JQ promote to captain in under 5yrs
The last 2 SO's I flew with, one was ex RAF Harrier pilot and the other ex Ansett.
I know which plane I'd rather have my family in if the Captain went "incapacitated".
JQ has been needed for a roll in Domestic ops, no argument here. Allen trying to concur the would with the same model has been a joke and massive Revenue loss, regardless of what Evens says.
Geez the QF guys were lucky JQ came along. 
FFRATS
And I guess if the captain is incapacitated on one of your long haul services you're down to an effo who probably hasn't been given a landing for 3 months.
That 'effo' in your story would be over 15 yrs in QF, most likely have been a B767 or B737 FO for 5+ years and SO before that and GA/RAAF before that.
JQ promote to captain in under 5yrs
The last 2 SO's I flew with, one was ex RAF Harrier pilot and the other ex Ansett.
I know which plane I'd rather have my family in if the Captain went "incapacitated".
JQ has been needed for a roll in Domestic ops, no argument here. Allen trying to concur the would with the same model has been a joke and massive Revenue loss, regardless of what Evens says.
You'd have no MOU and no chance of a secondment in Jetstar if there are CRs.
FFRATS
Just listening to a BBC podcast on the rise of Turkey. CEO of Turkish is hastening to get rid o the last vestiges of Govt. ownership as he says 'Government money is poison' he goes on to say once in receipt of government money no one in the airline takes the 'business seriously' from a customer service or business sustainability standpoint.
Mind you, state sponsorship of EK doesn't seem to have done them any harm.... yet.
Mind you, state sponsorship of EK doesn't seem to have done them any harm.... yet.
Trent,
The Qantas guys are continually lowering themselves to goose level with their irrational Jetstar conspiracy theories. It's obsessive group think.
Bottom line, Joyce is managing the company as per the direction of the chairman and board. Obviously he has their full support or else he wouldn't be there.
It may not be great for the staff, but in order for the company to survive there needs to be some fundamental changes in the structure of the company.
Ansett was a great place to work with wonderful remuneration for all concerned. It's not here anymore because no one got rid of the baggage. You can blame ANZ yes, but the company would still be around if it were viable. ANZ also needed a restructure. Now look at them.
On the SO experience levels, yes there is a varied mix and I was playing devils advocate. However there is a similar mix in Jetstar. They are not all pimple faced dreamers fresh out of high school. The program is hugely competitive and the young ones tend to be pretty bright. If you want to fly an airliner for a living and get into a seniority system it's not a bad place to be.
The Qantas guys are continually lowering themselves to goose level with their irrational Jetstar conspiracy theories. It's obsessive group think.
Bottom line, Joyce is managing the company as per the direction of the chairman and board. Obviously he has their full support or else he wouldn't be there.
It may not be great for the staff, but in order for the company to survive there needs to be some fundamental changes in the structure of the company.
Ansett was a great place to work with wonderful remuneration for all concerned. It's not here anymore because no one got rid of the baggage. You can blame ANZ yes, but the company would still be around if it were viable. ANZ also needed a restructure. Now look at them.
On the SO experience levels, yes there is a varied mix and I was playing devils advocate. However there is a similar mix in Jetstar. They are not all pimple faced dreamers fresh out of high school. The program is hugely competitive and the young ones tend to be pretty bright. If you want to fly an airliner for a living and get into a seniority system it's not a bad place to be.
