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so any thoughts on who will go for what? I'd have thought that 767/744 guys would be wanting the a330 syd slots, but as there aren't many, it would more likely be 737 guys that would go for the Perth ones. hard to tell. should be a stack of training on the 737 though! plenty of residuals, probably even In sydney.
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Is is unreasunable to expect Hardliker and Joyce to show us some gratitude for propping up the "terminal decline" ??
We've slaved on ****e t and c s now for years expecting a slice of the gravey pie hen the turn around came...
As I said, not happy Jan
We've slaved on ****e t and c s now for years expecting a slice of the gravey pie hen the turn around came...
As I said, not happy Jan
The upshot of all this will probably be that current 737 captains and 400 FOs will take the 330 commands and east coast 737 commands.
A330 FO slots will probably go to current 737 FOs.
If you're a SO you'll get a shot at a PER 737 gig or SYD/MEL 737 if you're lucky/ senior enough.
Again, I'm completely underwhelmed by the munificence that continues to flow from on high.
A330 FO slots will probably go to current 737 FOs.
If you're a SO you'll get a shot at a PER 737 gig or SYD/MEL 737 if you're lucky/ senior enough.
Again, I'm completely underwhelmed by the munificence that continues to flow from on high.
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It's hard to know where to start with this gem.
so if I was in J* there's no way I would want the MOU deal thrown out.....
There is only 130 Pilots in Jetstar that could use it. All are captains, many on the A330 and the soon to be 787. Most if not all are in the base they want to be in. Why would they want to become junior captains possibly in 5 years on the 737 and maybe in another 10, a junior captain on a widebody to be screwed by the senior bidding system in place at long haul, working ****e rosters until they are 60 and too old to enjoy it? The A380 ain't that special, and it doesn't go anywhere that conjures visions of paradise. Unless whinging poms, obese Americans and camel racing is your thing......
Whilst I have the utmost respect for the QF guys I work with, your airline is just another airline. The guys I've flown with from Qantas are nothing special. They are just like any other Pilot I have flown with.
In all honesty and money aside, Jetstar is a better place to work. Why would the senior guys want to leave?
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Is is unreasunable to expect Hardliker and Joyce to show us some gratitude for propping up the "terminal decline" ??
We've slaved on ****e t and c s now for years expecting a slice of the gravey pie hen the turn around came...
We've slaved on ****e t and c s now for years expecting a slice of the gravey pie hen the turn around came...
Just to re-cap...
You joined a LCC accepting the "****e T&C's", MOU etc after choosing to / being unable to join a full service airline.
This is offset by your rapid career progression opportunities as result of cannibalising mainline routes.
Meanwhile mainline drivers patiently wait +10 years for an FO slot and minimum of 15-20 years for their initial command.
Tell me, what is it you're expecting as a sign of gratitude? Direct entry 380 commands perhaps??
How about a little bit if a reality check and get in F#%*¥G line pal!
PS: The most junior 737 Capt (PER) in the most recent trng allocations had a start date of 1998... Accordingly I'm not sure there'd be too many JQ drivers with that kinda seniority (Impulse?) who'd be interested in taking a command at the bottom of the pile.
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I think as Keg said, not quite the pot of gold. The Q still has a big surplus of pilots, sure there will be a little movement too but also remember the LWOP guys will start returning in a trickle early next year ( part of the advertised training year) before there is a lot of the 200+ returning later. I think any of the J* MOU pilots might have a bit of a wait to get anything reasonable, at least another 3 years away. Do you really think the QANTAS group will transfer Jetstar guys across if they are short at Jetstar and in surplus at Qantas?
Oh and don't forget every time recently there has been a big training announcement it ends with the airline in trouble for the next few years, I see SAR's is back and those terrible bombings in the US.
Oh and don't forget every time recently there has been a big training announcement it ends with the airline in trouble for the next few years, I see SAR's is back and those terrible bombings in the US.
Is is unreasunable to expect Hardliker and Joyce to show us some gratitude for propping up the "terminal decline" ??
We've slaved on ****e t and c s now for years expecting a slice of the gravey pie hen the turn around came...
Read some history, try to understand how the current situation came to be.
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Firstly the "terminal decline" exists only through creative accounting. When in reality it is JQ that has been propped up. One only needs to look at the accounts that were made available to the Singapore exchange recently to see that the "success" of JQ is nothing more than smoke and mirrors which suited Qantas management strategy at the time. Now it suits to show international recovering from a management stated decline, so the accounts will soon begin to show the real state of affairs. That, no doubt will show JQ to be not such an AMAZZZZZING business after all.
Secondly, you were stupid enough to sign up for those "****e ts & cs" in the first place. You have no one to blame but yourselves. It is gullible idiots such as you, signing up for them in the first place, that have created the "terminal decline" of professional pilot ts & cs and general standing in this country.
The fact that you're unhappy now gives me cause for celebration as the chickens are coming home to roost.
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One F/O went S/O A380 when they had the seniority to be F/O A330!
I don't blame them.
Big pay rise. No responsibility. Better destinations. More time off.
I don't blame them.
Big pay rise. No responsibility. Better destinations. More time off.
Green Goblin ...
"Jetstarpilot" is a blatant troll, ive pointed this out before... tailwheel perhaps a review of his posts may clarify.
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Seriously? As S/O A380 you only get DXB, LAX and HKG (in the back seat)
Day in, Day out. Month to Month, Year to Year with slips around 12-14 hours the norm.
So you do get it Keith! Its a long game.
Fwiw, those talking of a 'junior 737' capt spot being undesirable need to take into account squirrel cage bidding for flying. Thus being 'junior' in it isnt really an issue as such...
Fwiw, those talking of a 'junior 737' capt spot being undesirable need to take into account squirrel cage bidding for flying. Thus being 'junior' in it isnt really an issue as such...
Hmmm seems keith had a change of heart? Or a mod?
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Talk about a career opportunity or what. Roll up, roll up, what you geezers ‘ave ere is a magnificent opportunity, throw away that command, the circus is in town and your FO slot is ere for the taking. Standby for the stampede of JQ 330 / 320 Captains rushing for a QF 737 FO slot. Joyce is right; you are living in cloud cuckoo land.
On a positive note, we only have to wait another 10 years for a Jetstar pilot to get a command opportunity under the MOU.
Well now I’ve heard everything, are you deliberately obtuse? Or does it come naturally? Yep, it’s all about ME, and to hell with my co-workers.
This thread demonstrates so very aptly why the MOU is only ever going to be one way traffic, as P2T2 so succinctly said
I’ll go out on a limb and venture that there will never be an impulse pilot (seniority for the MOU) that would be interested in giving up a very senior Jetstar 330 or 320 command to take a QF command at the bottom of the pile.
So how about you remind all Jetstar pilots why they should keep the MOU when they presently have the opportunity to ditch it.
No shortage of QF drivers breaking their necks to sign up to those very same conditions that you abhor. Could I politely suggest a reality check?
As the MOU has provided so inclined QF pilots with opportunities over the last few years, it will provide JQ pilots with such opportunities down the track. I'm guessing a JQ number would get you a 737 FO slot or (if it exists) a 767 residual slot maybe. However, probably in 10 years or so it will get you an A330/787 command if those slots exist.
On a positive note, we only have to wait another 10 years for a Jetstar pilot to get a command opportunity under the MOU.
I can't for the life of me understand why an eligible JQ pilot (who would already have a command) would want to get rid of the MOU now. It doesn't cost you anything if you've already got your command and it can only provide benefits down the track.
Ineligible JQ pilots are the ones leading you down the garden path on that one.
Ineligible JQ pilots are the ones leading you down the garden path on that one.
This thread demonstrates so very aptly why the MOU is only ever going to be one way traffic, as P2T2 so succinctly said
The most junior 737 Capt (PER) in the most recent trng allocations had a start date of 1998... Accordingly I'm not sure there'd be too many JQ drivers with that kinda seniority (Impulse?) who'd be interested in taking a command at the bottom of the pile.
So how about you remind all Jetstar pilots why they should keep the MOU when they presently have the opportunity to ditch it.
Secondly, you were stupid enough to sign up for those "****e ts & cs" in the first place. You have no one to blame but yourselves. It is gullible idiots such as you, signing up for them in the first place, that have created the "terminal decline" of professional pilot ts & cs and general standing in this country.
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Quote.....
"No shortage of QF drivers breaking their necks to sign up to those very same conditions that you abhor. Could I politely suggest a reality check?"
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You have me pissing my pants laughing Keith. That is the funniest thing I have heard all week or year even. A few have come over as they were keen to do some flying. Breaking our necks, more like breaking our necks not too.
If you are after a reality check as to where is best to work at, have a look at how many stay when the 3 years is up.
Ps, how many have gone for the latest FO slots? How many went for the previous offer of 35 FO slots? I think there was under 10 ?
"No shortage of QF drivers breaking their necks to sign up to those very same conditions that you abhor. Could I politely suggest a reality check?"
Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha
You have me pissing my pants laughing Keith. That is the funniest thing I have heard all week or year even. A few have come over as they were keen to do some flying. Breaking our necks, more like breaking our necks not too.
If you are after a reality check as to where is best to work at, have a look at how many stay when the 3 years is up.
Ps, how many have gone for the latest FO slots? How many went for the previous offer of 35 FO slots? I think there was under 10 ?
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No shortage of QF drivers breaking their necks to sign up to those very same conditions that you abhor. Could I politely suggest a reality check?