Qantas AIPA FWA Ruling Thurs 17th Jan
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The timing of certain posts is fascinating.
I'm not suggesting a troll at work but something more sinister.
Its worth asking yourself....what does a pilot poster have to gain by such a provocative statement? The answer of course is nothing.
The next obvious question then is who does have something to gain by trying to induce friction?
LD
I'm not suggesting a troll at work but something more sinister.
Its worth asking yourself....what does a pilot poster have to gain by such a provocative statement? The answer of course is nothing.
The next obvious question then is who does have something to gain by trying to induce friction?
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LookinDown, all you have to do is look at the airport body scanner thread to see that just because someone is a pilot, it does not necessarily follow that they will act rationally. 
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FWA has taken the middle ground in its determination and there have been gains and losses for both Qantas and the AIPA.
Qantas LH pilots have remained the most expensive and inefficient in the our fair country.
In my view with the present management team
the LH pilots will be further marginalised.
Qantas LH pilots have remained the most expensive and inefficient in the our fair country.
In my view with the present management team
the LH pilots will be further marginalised.
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Yes, that was one of the points of discussion at the moon bar last night. It still does nothing to address the underlying issues in our award. Perhaps Qantas don't care because it doesn't change their long term strategy.
The outcome of this particular battle is even but we may still lose the war.
The outcome of this particular battle is even but we may still lose the war.
The only problem with the above is that in negotations prior to FWA Qantas were offered a 3 year wage freeze, plus just about anything else that they wanted , in return for job security/career promotion. So having sold our backsides to them they would then turn around and do us without the astroglide. They thought FWA would do the dirty work for them but it didnt happen that way, and yes the problem is that we are no further along in fixing the parts of the contract that i would hope most of us realise are long past there use by date.
SandyPalms,
That thread is still there if you care to look for it. Somewhere around April 2011 should suffice.
From where I sit, plenty of guys on the 380 are happy to vote for change. Bring on squirrel-caging -- that'll clear the decks of the ark somewhat...
ruprecht.
That thread is still there if you care to look for it. Somewhere around April 2011 should suffice.
From where I sit, plenty of guys on the 380 are happy to vote for change. Bring on squirrel-caging -- that'll clear the decks of the ark somewhat...
ruprecht.
Folks,
The way I read the judgement, the way is open for Qantas to crew QF branded aircraft, that would otherwise have been flown by mainline crews, by contract pilots.
This is particularly relevant re. the B787, if Qantas actually ever get any with a red tail.
Tootle pip!!
The way I read the judgement, the way is open for Qantas to crew QF branded aircraft, that would otherwise have been flown by mainline crews, by contract pilots.
This is particularly relevant re. the B787, if Qantas actually ever get any with a red tail.
Tootle pip!!
How so, as opposed to before?
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Qantas were trying for a 'B' scale in the EBA..
That's a pretty good indication of 'company intentions' if I have ever seen one. Why would they even remotely consider the idea if Qantas mainline was dead and buried.
B scale: it's under cutting in everyones books, but surely the introduction of a 'B' scale has to be a much better concept than being totally undercut buy a completely separate AOC (Qantaslink, Network, Jetstar). The seniority system at Qantas ensures they start at the bottom and it will keep all current pilots flying. You are in fact gaining this illusive 'job security' by having a B scale.
The good ole days are gone, it's time to start thinking like a business if you want to keep this dream alive. Who are we to stop someone signing up to a B scale rate. It's better that they are on our side and have AJ and co expand us, than some offshoot of QF and have them rebrand it, all because we wouldn't embrace change.
Vote 1, B Scale.
That's a pretty good indication of 'company intentions' if I have ever seen one. Why would they even remotely consider the idea if Qantas mainline was dead and buried.
B scale: it's under cutting in everyones books, but surely the introduction of a 'B' scale has to be a much better concept than being totally undercut buy a completely separate AOC (Qantaslink, Network, Jetstar). The seniority system at Qantas ensures they start at the bottom and it will keep all current pilots flying. You are in fact gaining this illusive 'job security' by having a B scale.
The good ole days are gone, it's time to start thinking like a business if you want to keep this dream alive. Who are we to stop someone signing up to a B scale rate. It's better that they are on our side and have AJ and co expand us, than some offshoot of QF and have them rebrand it, all because we wouldn't embrace change.
Vote 1, B Scale.
Qantas were trying for a 'B' scale in the EBA..
That's a pretty good indication of 'company intentions' if I have ever seen one. Why would they even remotely consider the idea if Qantas mainline was dead and buried.
B scale: it's under cutting in everyones books, but surely the introduction of a 'B' scale has to be a much better concept than being totally undercut buy a completely separate AOC (Qantaslink, Network, Jetstar). The seniority system at Qantas ensures they start at the bottom and it will keep all current pilots flying. You are in fact gaining this illusive 'job security' by having a B scale.
The good ole days are gone, it's time to start thinking like a business if you want to keep this dream alive. Who are we to stop someone signing up to a B scale rate. It's better that they are on our side and have AJ and co expand us, than some offshoot of QF and have them rebrand it, all because we wouldn't embrace change.
Vote 1, B Scale.
That's a pretty good indication of 'company intentions' if I have ever seen one. Why would they even remotely consider the idea if Qantas mainline was dead and buried.
B scale: it's under cutting in everyones books, but surely the introduction of a 'B' scale has to be a much better concept than being totally undercut buy a completely separate AOC (Qantaslink, Network, Jetstar). The seniority system at Qantas ensures they start at the bottom and it will keep all current pilots flying. You are in fact gaining this illusive 'job security' by having a B scale.
The good ole days are gone, it's time to start thinking like a business if you want to keep this dream alive. Who are we to stop someone signing up to a B scale rate. It's better that they are on our side and have AJ and co expand us, than some offshoot of QF and have them rebrand it, all because we wouldn't embrace change.
Vote 1, B Scale.
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Not necessarily the case. There would be a $$$ amount that would be considered a win/ win and fit the business case for ongoing sustainability and expansion.
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time to start thinking like a business if you want to keep this dream alive
The Germans’ see having Employees on Boards as a way to build more capable companies and Gina Rinehart/Mark Carnegie are at it in Australia simple because they think they can do things better.
If the Qantas Workforce could everget its head around sacrificing salary for equity, they too, could exercise far reaching strategic influence, albeit not directly industrial.
Regretfully this kind of activity is not generally popular in Australia with the Union Movement, which is kind of strange, given that Unions wield significant influence in our Superannuation Arena.
The Yanks do it, the Brits do it, but not Down under.
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http://www.businessspectator.com.au/bs.nsf/Article/Qantas-FWA-Fair-Work-Jetstar-Emirates-pd20130121-464M5?OpenDocument&src=sph&src=rot
Weren't "the pilots" (and Sen X?) seeking a forensic analysis of possible cost-shifting well before the Emirates alliance was announced?
(emphasis added)
Are they?
Weren't "the pilots" (and Sen X?) seeking a forensic analysis of possible cost-shifting well before the Emirates alliance was announced?
It does, however, end the threat that the pilots could have extended the coverage of terms and conditions that are far more generous than most of Qantas’ competitors and worsened the already parlous position those operations are in.
Are they?
From the piece...
It's a shame that people like Stephen Bartholomeusz don't have the rationale to ask the obvious questions of AIPA or the good senator if he is so concerned by their apparent line of questioning or tactics used.
Any rational person looking at the competitive dynamics and cost relativities in international aviation and how they impact on Qantas could only conclude that without drastic change Qantas’ international business is unviable and the odds against a successful salvage operation are daunting.
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Ill go out on a limb and say put the QF Long-haul award on Stick Hours not duty then they will match pretty much every single other international airline in the world. The dinosaurs wont accept it but its that or wither on the vine. Give a decent minimum keep the overtime, night credits etc then it will work. Its not fing rocket science. You will get a significant hourly pay rise for the change too, probably in the order of 20%, or die, simple mathematics really..