5th September QF Announcement
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I notice EK412 will be almost 10 hours late into SYD today. Less than 1.5 hours late out of DXB though... What's up with that? Sux to be the CEO on that flight!
Maybe it's all a secret plot to make Qantas look better than Emirates ahead of the big announcement ha ha.
Maybe it's all a secret plot to make Qantas look better than Emirates ahead of the big announcement ha ha.
That's a hell of a headwind???
I don't understand: it left an hour and a quarter late, and is landing 10 hours late, on a direct flight!
That's one hell of a headwind. Has it stopped somewhere for a potty stop and a sandwich?
Cheers
That's one hell of a headwind. Has it stopped somewhere for a potty stop and a sandwich?
Cheers
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It departed about 9:30 late - looking for pjs maybe???
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The Value to Qantas of a Code Share
The value to Qantas of a code-share alliance with Middle Eastern airline Emirates has been estimated at up to $90 million a year in pre-tax earnings.
The estimate by Macquarie Equities analysts comes as the Emirates chief executive, Tim Clark, visits Sydney this week, fuelling further speculation that the Dubai-based airline is on the verge of signing an alliance with Qantas covering routes between Australia and Europe.
The code-share agreement is believed to include route swaps whereby Emirates would operate the majority of flights on some routes, such as those out of Perth to Europe.
Critics say Qantas is acting from a position of weakness in pursuing a code-share deal, and risks handing passengers to Emirates without significant benefits.
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But Macquarie's transport analyst, Russell Shaw, has described a tie up with Emirates as the "missing piece in the earnings bridge" for Qantas in helping to turn around its premium international operations, which lost $450 million in the year to June.
Mr Shaw has estimated that the annual benefits to Qantas of a tie up with Emirates will be between $80 million and $90 million in pre-tax earnings.
"We expect an agreement to be announced shortly, with the two carriers likely to code-share over Dubai into Europe, as well as on certain Tasman and Asian services," he said in note today.
The code-share arrangement would also free up additional Boeing 737 aircraft for Qantas, as well as allowing it to accelerate the retirement of up to six older 747 jumbos.
Qantas is understood to have wanted to pursue a deeper alliance with Emirates than just a code-share deal but the Middle Eastern airline would not entertain the proposal. A more substantive revenue or profit-sharing alliance would have taken at least a year to complete.
Emirates has also repeatedly ruled out taking an equity stake in Qantas.
Despite the prospects of a deal with Emirates, Mr Shaw said Qantas still faced challenges in the medium term in improving its network in Asia to help it to compete against Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines.
"Changing the flight timings will be a positive move, but the existing array of partners represents a lack of consistency in product and quality across the Asian network," he said.
Qantas also faces a short-term hit to its earnings in the domestic market in the new financial year as it seeks to repel the advances of Virgin Australia. The latter is seeking to grab a bigger share of the lucrative corporate travel, which Qantas has dominated since Ansett's collapse in 2001.
"Clearly the pending Emirates announcement is a major positive catalyst ... but the domestic capacity outlook remains elevated and Qantas's reluctance to provide quantitative yield commentary ... will do little to quell investor concerns over any deterioration in the domestic market," Mr Shaw said.
Qantas has stopped giving a figure on the movement in yields – or returns from fares – in its monthly traffic statistics after a decade of doing so.
Emirates the 'missing piece in earnings bridge' for Qantas
The estimate by Macquarie Equities analysts comes as the Emirates chief executive, Tim Clark, visits Sydney this week, fuelling further speculation that the Dubai-based airline is on the verge of signing an alliance with Qantas covering routes between Australia and Europe.
The code-share agreement is believed to include route swaps whereby Emirates would operate the majority of flights on some routes, such as those out of Perth to Europe.
Critics say Qantas is acting from a position of weakness in pursuing a code-share deal, and risks handing passengers to Emirates without significant benefits.
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But Macquarie's transport analyst, Russell Shaw, has described a tie up with Emirates as the "missing piece in the earnings bridge" for Qantas in helping to turn around its premium international operations, which lost $450 million in the year to June.
Mr Shaw has estimated that the annual benefits to Qantas of a tie up with Emirates will be between $80 million and $90 million in pre-tax earnings.
"We expect an agreement to be announced shortly, with the two carriers likely to code-share over Dubai into Europe, as well as on certain Tasman and Asian services," he said in note today.
The code-share arrangement would also free up additional Boeing 737 aircraft for Qantas, as well as allowing it to accelerate the retirement of up to six older 747 jumbos.
Qantas is understood to have wanted to pursue a deeper alliance with Emirates than just a code-share deal but the Middle Eastern airline would not entertain the proposal. A more substantive revenue or profit-sharing alliance would have taken at least a year to complete.
Emirates has also repeatedly ruled out taking an equity stake in Qantas.
Despite the prospects of a deal with Emirates, Mr Shaw said Qantas still faced challenges in the medium term in improving its network in Asia to help it to compete against Cathay Pacific and Singapore Airlines.
"Changing the flight timings will be a positive move, but the existing array of partners represents a lack of consistency in product and quality across the Asian network," he said.
Qantas also faces a short-term hit to its earnings in the domestic market in the new financial year as it seeks to repel the advances of Virgin Australia. The latter is seeking to grab a bigger share of the lucrative corporate travel, which Qantas has dominated since Ansett's collapse in 2001.
"Clearly the pending Emirates announcement is a major positive catalyst ... but the domestic capacity outlook remains elevated and Qantas's reluctance to provide quantitative yield commentary ... will do little to quell investor concerns over any deterioration in the domestic market," Mr Shaw said.
Qantas has stopped giving a figure on the movement in yields – or returns from fares – in its monthly traffic statistics after a decade of doing so.
Emirates the 'missing piece in earnings bridge' for Qantas
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EK 412 did an inflight return to DXB yesterday afternoon,they were dumping fuel in Muscat airspace as we flew through, I think due to a gear door prob? Not sure of the exact reason it returned but that's why the 10 hour delay
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Also wrong I'm afraid, Visual Procedures
Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is President of the DCA (Department of Civil Aviation) which is often mistaken for the GCAA (UAE General Civil Aviation Authority), on which he is a board member.
The GCAA regulates Civil Aviation in Dubai.
Sheikh Ahmed bin Saeed Al Maktoum is President of the DCA (Department of Civil Aviation) which is often mistaken for the GCAA (UAE General Civil Aviation Authority), on which he is a board member.
The GCAA regulates Civil Aviation in Dubai.
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ButFli, TC flew down on the EK414. Alot of other EK promo staff were on the 412.
Tim Clark may be in Sydney but I believe Joyce is in London.
Have heard the announcement is (and possibly always was) planned for the 12th Sept.
Have heard the announcement is (and possibly always was) planned for the 12th Sept.
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Tim Clark may be in Sydney but I believe Joyce is in London.
Have heard the announcement is (and possibly always was) planned for the 12th Sept.
Have heard the announcement is (and possibly always was) planned for the 12th Sept.
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tomorrow, Alan Joyce will announce that he has effectively sold the farm. He has simply found another way around the QSA that will allow him to code share with EK while not operating on the one time blue ribbon routes. He will then announce that he will plough more cash and resources into the spluttering mining sector because 'that is where the future of Qantas lies'.
The press will then applaud and marvel at the intellectual giant that Alan is. Meanwhile, the loyal shareholders and staff at Qantas watch on in vain as the airline recedes to become a shadow of its former self.
Fast forward 12 months, the airline's spot price is barely junk value and Alan skips off into the sunset with bonus and golden parachute in tow. Sad, sad day indeed.
The press will then applaud and marvel at the intellectual giant that Alan is. Meanwhile, the loyal shareholders and staff at Qantas watch on in vain as the airline recedes to become a shadow of its former self.
Fast forward 12 months, the airline's spot price is barely junk value and Alan skips off into the sunset with bonus and golden parachute in tow. Sad, sad day indeed.
I now understand why all these QF announcement threads have dates with no year attached.
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QANTAS is expected to announce a partnership with Middle Eastern airline Emirates tomorrow.
Emirates president Tim Clark will be in Sydney and the Sydney to Auckland sector of an Emirates flight has been cancelled that day, with industry speculation it has been set aside for publicity purposes.
Under the partnership between Australia's national carrier and the world's largest international airline, some Qantas flights would transit via Dubai instead of Singapore.
It would give Australian travellers access to 30 destinations in Europe and 18 in Africa.
Qantas would no longer fly to Frankfurt, its last port in mainland Europe.
Qantas currently has an agreement with British Airways on the Kangaroo Route to London, with the new route nicknamed "the falcon route'' after the United Arab Emirates' national bird.
Middle Eastern carriers are increasingly focusing their attention on Australia as the strong dollar continues to entice a record number of people to travel overseas.
Emirates will begin flying from Adelaide in November, increasing the flights to daily from February, and is also increasing its flights from Perth.
Virgin Australia has a partnership with Etihad, but Qatar Airways doesn't have a local codeshare partner.
A Qantas spokeswoman declined to comment on the deal.
"There's always speculation about Qantas," she said. "We are regularly in discussions with various airlines regarding potential alliances, both for Qantas and Jetstar, and we don't comment on those discussions.
"When Qantas has something to announce, we announce it."
Read more: Qantas and Emirates to ink partnership deal | News.com.au
Emirates president Tim Clark will be in Sydney and the Sydney to Auckland sector of an Emirates flight has been cancelled that day, with industry speculation it has been set aside for publicity purposes.
Under the partnership between Australia's national carrier and the world's largest international airline, some Qantas flights would transit via Dubai instead of Singapore.
It would give Australian travellers access to 30 destinations in Europe and 18 in Africa.
Qantas would no longer fly to Frankfurt, its last port in mainland Europe.
Qantas currently has an agreement with British Airways on the Kangaroo Route to London, with the new route nicknamed "the falcon route'' after the United Arab Emirates' national bird.
Middle Eastern carriers are increasingly focusing their attention on Australia as the strong dollar continues to entice a record number of people to travel overseas.
Emirates will begin flying from Adelaide in November, increasing the flights to daily from February, and is also increasing its flights from Perth.
Virgin Australia has a partnership with Etihad, but Qatar Airways doesn't have a local codeshare partner.
A Qantas spokeswoman declined to comment on the deal.
"There's always speculation about Qantas," she said. "We are regularly in discussions with various airlines regarding potential alliances, both for Qantas and Jetstar, and we don't comment on those discussions.
"When Qantas has something to announce, we announce it."
Read more: Qantas and Emirates to ink partnership deal | News.com.au
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Amazing how much things can change in a year.
This quite from Alan Joyce on ABC 7:30 Report 16/8/2011
"I'm all about being positive about Qantas, being positive about the brand and making sure that Qantas grows into the future. We need the Union Leaders to realize change is needed. If they keep on resisting change and have Qantas as an inefficient carrier competing AGAINST Middle Eastern carriers and the Asian carriers, we won't have a Qantas"
Since then, AJ's grounded the airline, withdrawn B744 routes from London & potentially other international services from Adeleide & Perth. Cancelled the order for the B787 & it looks like he's entering commercial agreements with the feared ME carriers.
This quite from Alan Joyce on ABC 7:30 Report 16/8/2011
"I'm all about being positive about Qantas, being positive about the brand and making sure that Qantas grows into the future. We need the Union Leaders to realize change is needed. If they keep on resisting change and have Qantas as an inefficient carrier competing AGAINST Middle Eastern carriers and the Asian carriers, we won't have a Qantas"
Since then, AJ's grounded the airline, withdrawn B744 routes from London & potentially other international services from Adeleide & Perth. Cancelled the order for the B787 & it looks like he's entering commercial agreements with the feared ME carriers.
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I found it...
Sydney, 05 September 2012
A next generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft has become the 115th new aircraft to join the Qantas Group fleet in the past four years.
Qantas Domestic Chief Executive Officer Lyell Strambi said Qantas was continuing to roll out new initiatives to ensure Qantas remained the airline of choice for domestic travellers.
“Qantas is delighted to welcome yet another next-generation Boeing aircraft into our fleet,” Mr Strambi said.
“The Qantas Group now has 60 B737-800s of which 22 feature on-demand, touch screen in-flight entertainment from Panasonic for all passengers and spacious seats including leather seats in Business.
"These aircraft are extremely popular and feature on a variety of routes right across the Qantas Domestic and trans-Tasman network.
“Along with our network, frequency and lounges, we know that modern aircraft with the latest technology are a major attraction for our passengers.
"Another 10 next-generation Boeing 737-800s, with the Boeing Sky Interior, will join the Qantas fleet in the next 18 months."
The aircraft has been named Leeton after the town in New South Wales.
Qantas has recently announced a number of initiatives including three-daily services between Sydney and Gold Coast, increased capacity to Tasmania and Canberra, and a refresh of the interiors of a number of Boeing 767 aircraft which includes an iPad with inflight entertainment for all passengers in Business and Economy.
Features of the latest 737-800 aircraft include:
* A 12 seat business class and 156 seat economy class configuration
* New seating design styled by Marc Newson
* On-demand Panasonic inflight entertainment in both cabins with over 300 entertainment options
* Seat-to-seat "chat" messaging
* Wide seat-back design with a 37 inch seat pitch and 22 inch width between arms in Business and a 17 inch width and 30 inch seat pitch in Economy, ergonomic cushions and adjustable headrest
* 10.6 inch in arm touch screen in business, nine inch seatback touch screen in economy
* PC and USB ports to facilitate computers, MP3 players and other technology.
A next generation Boeing 737-800 aircraft has become the 115th new aircraft to join the Qantas Group fleet in the past four years.
Qantas Domestic Chief Executive Officer Lyell Strambi said Qantas was continuing to roll out new initiatives to ensure Qantas remained the airline of choice for domestic travellers.
“Qantas is delighted to welcome yet another next-generation Boeing aircraft into our fleet,” Mr Strambi said.
“The Qantas Group now has 60 B737-800s of which 22 feature on-demand, touch screen in-flight entertainment from Panasonic for all passengers and spacious seats including leather seats in Business.
"These aircraft are extremely popular and feature on a variety of routes right across the Qantas Domestic and trans-Tasman network.
“Along with our network, frequency and lounges, we know that modern aircraft with the latest technology are a major attraction for our passengers.
"Another 10 next-generation Boeing 737-800s, with the Boeing Sky Interior, will join the Qantas fleet in the next 18 months."
The aircraft has been named Leeton after the town in New South Wales.
Qantas has recently announced a number of initiatives including three-daily services between Sydney and Gold Coast, increased capacity to Tasmania and Canberra, and a refresh of the interiors of a number of Boeing 767 aircraft which includes an iPad with inflight entertainment for all passengers in Business and Economy.
Features of the latest 737-800 aircraft include:
* A 12 seat business class and 156 seat economy class configuration
* New seating design styled by Marc Newson
* On-demand Panasonic inflight entertainment in both cabins with over 300 entertainment options
* Seat-to-seat "chat" messaging
* Wide seat-back design with a 37 inch seat pitch and 22 inch width between arms in Business and a 17 inch width and 30 inch seat pitch in Economy, ergonomic cushions and adjustable headrest
* 10.6 inch in arm touch screen in business, nine inch seatback touch screen in economy
* PC and USB ports to facilitate computers, MP3 players and other technology.