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A Preamble to Departure
The information in this piece is circumlocutory.Its all about letting everyone know that Joyce is on the outer and his departure is imminent.We live in hope
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Readers of Paul Barry's Power Index The Power Index maybe interesed in this article featuring AJ. The final paragraphs follow...
"While Joyce is hardly shy of talking up these challenges -- and particularly complaining about the competitor -- he's made attempts to meet them with an approach that long-time aviation journalist Ben Sandilands likens to a kid with an attention deficit disorder.
But Joyce is finally running out of energy. Some watchers believe that Joyce's departure is imminent, and could occur within a matter of weeks.
The man's final surprise could be that he pulls a rabbit out the hat with his strategy to split the airline into both domestic and international divisions puts the group in a more profitable position.
But we reckon he may finally be out of party tricks."
"While Joyce is hardly shy of talking up these challenges -- and particularly complaining about the competitor -- he's made attempts to meet them with an approach that long-time aviation journalist Ben Sandilands likens to a kid with an attention deficit disorder.
But Joyce is finally running out of energy. Some watchers believe that Joyce's departure is imminent, and could occur within a matter of weeks.
The man's final surprise could be that he pulls a rabbit out the hat with his strategy to split the airline into both domestic and international divisions puts the group in a more profitable position.
But we reckon he may finally be out of party tricks."
Try an analogy with the Costa Concordia.
Reckless abandon to duty with a history of cockiness and not listening; results in the grounding of a perfectly good ship on the rocks.
Inability to lead, indecision and unable consign effective order results in mayhem onboard.
Jumps in the liferaft to save own skin then blames everybody else.
Is the Costa Qantasa salvageable? Or will it be cut up and sold for scrap?
Reckless abandon to duty with a history of cockiness and not listening; results in the grounding of a perfectly good ship on the rocks.
Inability to lead, indecision and unable consign effective order results in mayhem onboard.
Jumps in the liferaft to save own skin then blames everybody else.
Is the Costa Qantasa salvageable? Or will it be cut up and sold for scrap?
..........ditto on TT's analogy
Although the Costa floundered in shallow water,perhaps QF will be more like the Titanic & go straight to the bottom never to be resurrected ! Either way it's sinking & the guy at the helm could very well be on his last voyage too!
Wmk2
Although the Costa floundered in shallow water,perhaps QF will be more like the Titanic & go straight to the bottom never to be resurrected ! Either way it's sinking & the guy at the helm could very well be on his last voyage too!Wmk2
Oh Alan!
Alan's alter ego perhaps??
[YOUTUBE]
...after all leprechauns supposedly have green thumbs!
Or maybe Ben is onto the Irish logic of it all....
Ryanair's new Aer Lingus bid begs Jetstar/ Qantas questions | Plane Talking
[YOUTUBE]
...after all leprechauns supposedly have green thumbs!
Or maybe Ben is onto the Irish logic of it all....
Ryanair's new Aer Lingus bid begs Jetstar/ Qantas questions | Plane Talking
short flights long nights
I think something has to be coming. Sudden profit talkdowns, strange rumblings about an Etihad/VB tie up sending QF broke.....somethings in the wind.
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If QF intl can lose $450 million bucks in a year , it can be shut down july 1st and save Qantas group over 1 million per day. Finally scrap the long haul agreement and fly domestic only. Its in the pipeline one would imagine. In 12 months everyone will look back & see how obvious it looked.
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Thats an interesting thought. If International is shut down, who will prop up JQ? Answer=Domestic. Then we will have "Domestic is not profitable" story, and it will be shut down and bingo all that is left is JQ. Rebrand it QF, and we have a new "QF light". Or am I thinking too hard?
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House of Cards
No matter which way you look at it,take QF international out of the equation and the Qantas Group is toast.The whole business is centred around international feeding into and out of Australia.The Group would need an international feeder airline immediately if longhaul mainline were to cease operation.
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Maybe not race bannon. Qf is only bringing in, what %13 total traffic in & out of Aus. Maybe better to accept fact & stick to Dom ops whilst the rest of,the worlds airlines bring in the pax. Would of thought a massive majority of QF dom pax are simply that. Aust dom pax. Not Intl tourists.
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Interesting article here, with the LNP likely in power this time next year is this the real lobbying QF have been doing? And note which coalition pollie was the one to make the comment
Hockey suggests lifting Qantas restrictions
Hockey suggests lifting Qantas restrictions
THE shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey, has suggested a Coalition government would consider lifting foreign-investment and business restrictions placed on Qantas to enable it to compete with its rivals on a more level playing field.
After the Herald revealed yesterday that Qantas had warned its profitable domestic business will be imperilled should the state-owned foreign carrier Etihad secure enough of a slice of Virgin Australia, Mr Hockey said it was time to look at the arrangements governing Qantas.
''We have to make a decision about whether Qantas does become a major international airline with a majority ownership overseas, or whether we want to retain it and pay a price for retaining it as an Australian icon,'' he said.
After the Herald revealed yesterday that Qantas had warned its profitable domestic business will be imperilled should the state-owned foreign carrier Etihad secure enough of a slice of Virgin Australia, Mr Hockey said it was time to look at the arrangements governing Qantas.
''We have to make a decision about whether Qantas does become a major international airline with a majority ownership overseas, or whether we want to retain it and pay a price for retaining it as an Australian icon,'' he said.
Look, I might be just a dumb LAME, but why did international lose $450 million.
It seems to me, as dumb as I am, that the answer is, that the costs were more than the profit. Now as I said, I am only a dumb LAME, but wouldn't it make sense to increase the cost of flying to compensate???
Now I hear you cry, but nobody will fly with us, but at the same time, we will not be loosing 450M dollars.
By the way, I dont believe that nobody would fly QANTAS, maybe a few less.
Who is responsible for losing 450M? the pilots, engineers, ground staff, and if fact all who make QANTAS what it is? or those people who make the losses??
AJ and Co, it would seem to me, dont make QANTAS what it is/was.
Perhaps AJ would like to comment.
By the way, I dont work for QANTAS, never have and never will, but most Australians have an interest in what happens to Q, AJ will never be Australian.(not interested in what anyone else thinks about that)
It seems to me, as dumb as I am, that the answer is, that the costs were more than the profit. Now as I said, I am only a dumb LAME, but wouldn't it make sense to increase the cost of flying to compensate???
Now I hear you cry, but nobody will fly with us, but at the same time, we will not be loosing 450M dollars.
By the way, I dont believe that nobody would fly QANTAS, maybe a few less.
Who is responsible for losing 450M? the pilots, engineers, ground staff, and if fact all who make QANTAS what it is? or those people who make the losses??
AJ and Co, it would seem to me, dont make QANTAS what it is/was.
Perhaps AJ would like to comment.
By the way, I dont work for QANTAS, never have and never will, but most Australians have an interest in what happens to Q, AJ will never be Australian.(not interested in what anyone else thinks about that)
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THE shadow treasurer, Joe Hockey, has suggested a Coalition government would consider lifting foreign-investment and business restrictions placed on Qantas to enable it to compete with its rivals on a more level playing field.
After the Herald revealed yesterday that Qantas had warned its profitable domestic business will be imperilled should the state-owned foreign carrier Etihad secure enough of a slice of Virgin Australia, Mr Hockey said it was time to look at the arrangements governing Qantas.
''We have to make a decision about whether Qantas does become a major international airline with a majority ownership overseas, or whether we want to retain it and pay a price for retaining it as an Australian icon,'' he said.
After the Herald revealed yesterday that Qantas had warned its profitable domestic business will be imperilled should the state-owned foreign carrier Etihad secure enough of a slice of Virgin Australia, Mr Hockey said it was time to look at the arrangements governing Qantas.
''We have to make a decision about whether Qantas does become a major international airline with a majority ownership overseas, or whether we want to retain it and pay a price for retaining it as an Australian icon,'' he said.
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Wirth has worked in a number of communications roles before joining the Flying Kangaroo. Early jobs included the Australian Tourism Commission, which she parlayed into a role as a media adviser to Joe Hockey, then Minister for Small Business and Tourism. Wirth had a stint as executive of lobby group Transport and Tourism Forum before joining Qantas in 2009.
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Arnold E. "but wouldn't it make sense to increase the cost of flying to compensate???".........um, only 13% of people arriving or leaving Australia use QF. Surely charging higher fares would only force those 13% o to another carrier?
"most Australians have an interest in what happens to QF"........um, they don't! The people who read this thread do. The 87% who fly on other carriers shows the level of interest. Zip, nada, nil.
"most Australians have an interest in what happens to QF"........um, they don't! The people who read this thread do. The 87% who fly on other carriers shows the level of interest. Zip, nada, nil.
Charge more money? I am only slf....You pay premium prices and you expect a premium product, sadly qantas just doesn't cut the mustard these days IMHO for the prices being charged.
I would love to see qf prosper however, there are too many better value for money options out there.
Best of luck to all of you qf folk out there.
I would love to see qf prosper however, there are too many better value for money options out there.
Best of luck to all of you qf folk out there.
Charge more money? I am only slf....You pay premium prices and you expect a premium product, sadly qantas just doesn't cut the mustard these days IMHO for the prices being charged.
I would love to see qf prosper however, there are too many better value for money options out there.
Best of luck to all of you qf folk out there.
I would love to see qf prosper however, there are too many better value for money options out there.
Best of luck to all of you qf folk out there.
Stupid statements like there are too many better value for money options out there. and You pay premium prices and you expect a premium product, prove without a doubt, you are a sheep who believes in perception rather then the truth.
The perception that Qantas charges much more then anyone and is just **** all round.
If Qantas is so ****, why are their price points basically exactly on par with Virgin if not cheaper in many instances ? Don't believe me ? Goto webjet.com.au the easiest price aggregator in Australia. Prove me wrong. Not that I care, I check facts before I form opinions, something obviously foreign to you.
Qantas does compete on price, Qantas has MORE frequency, Qantas has the BEST on time performance. Simple facts.
But don't let your perception get in the way of the truth. And don't fill up this board with mindless **** statements with no proof and statements akin to 'yeah qantas is **** because its oh so expensive and you'll all be out of a job soon but good luck to all.'
Have you even flown Qantas lately to label them in such an idiotic way ?
Ahhhh, yes I have, and I stand by my comments based on my personal experiences. Thanks for your constructive reply though.
Yes international, and it's not a matter of just saying qantas is Shiite...I don't believe that, however I just believe there are more competitive products out there.
Yes international, and it's not a matter of just saying qantas is Shiite...I don't believe that, however I just believe there are more competitive products out there.
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