Airservices CEO resigns
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Sorry I disagree. Most of my ATC mates know they are not CEOs nor want to be. But they are smart enough to recognise what is required in a leader.
My comments are not about the person, for all I know she maybe terrific. But about the process... we deserve better than appointments to public corporation based upon being part of the "club"... this is also known as corrupt.
My comments are not about the person, for all I know she maybe terrific. But about the process... we deserve better than appointments to public corporation based upon being part of the "club"... this is also known as corrupt.
All ATC's know that they themselves would make better CEO's.
An "equipo" turned CEO, who'd have thought...
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A totally innocent observer
Wow.
I've found this whole converstation very interesting, but slightly alarming given that I'm starting with ASA on Monday as an ATC Trainee.
*rushes to fill out McDonalds application*
But of course, I'm in no position to comment about ASA, just sit back and watch this thread with interest.
What happened at the Training College, may I ask? (I may have missed that bit)
Kiwi
I've found this whole converstation very interesting, but slightly alarming given that I'm starting with ASA on Monday as an ATC Trainee.
*rushes to fill out McDonalds application*
But of course, I'm in no position to comment about ASA, just sit back and watch this thread with interest.
What happened at the Training College, may I ask? (I may have missed that bit)
Kiwi
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M-G Cosgrove was a respected military leader and I was impressed with his book and his views on leadership. Then he took a position on the board at qantas and all that talk about leadership and looking after your troops is subservient to the corporate point of view.
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Reading between the lines: my job is fairly secure, but everyone will hate me and I won't get holidays for the next 6 years.
Hate you? WTF?
There is no hate in the rank and file.And you WONT get the holidays you are entitled to every year. If you are hoping to get school hols, christmas, easter, spring carnival off, better start looking for another job.
Core & Mature = weasel words bullish!t, the reason for the above paragraph.
What happened at the training college would have had any manager who presided over it in the senate explaining their actions.............maybe that will happen?
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Jack, I should clarify - I was being tongue-in-cheek.
What I think I am hearing is:
Don't plan a big OE
Get decisions in writing
Would that be fair advice to take from this thread?
Thanks,
KC
What I think I am hearing is:
Don't plan a big OE
Get decisions in writing
Would that be fair advice to take from this thread?
Thanks,
KC
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Get decisions in writing
There is lots of advice to take from this thread but as I see you have already started with AsA, the horse has bolted on that one.
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For AVM Staibs sake, I hope she doesn't come in with the misconception, like a lot of the ex-Blue shirts have, that in the civilian world the concept of you salute the uniform not the individual is not practiced.
We have people elevated to positions of authority by dint of their previous RAAF status who believe that respect is now a given. That it doesn't matter what actions they take that we are still required to respect the uniform.
AVM Staib hopefully has been made aware that the uniform she is about to put on is severely tarnished and its last wearer left early for a reason.
She better realise she will have a hard time getting that uniform saluted and will have to take immediate action to sanitise her chain of command. I don't envy her this task. She is starting off way behind the eight ball with a workforce of ATCs who are disillusioned, dispirited and definitely disengaged.
She might want to have a close look at the Staff Survey and ask why only 11% of the 60% of ATCs (less than 7%) who participated said they had faith in senior management.
We have people elevated to positions of authority by dint of their previous RAAF status who believe that respect is now a given. That it doesn't matter what actions they take that we are still required to respect the uniform.
AVM Staib hopefully has been made aware that the uniform she is about to put on is severely tarnished and its last wearer left early for a reason.
She better realise she will have a hard time getting that uniform saluted and will have to take immediate action to sanitise her chain of command. I don't envy her this task. She is starting off way behind the eight ball with a workforce of ATCs who are disillusioned, dispirited and definitely disengaged.
She might want to have a close look at the Staff Survey and ask why only 11% of the 60% of ATCs (less than 7%) who participated said they had faith in senior management.
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It's a pretend business with pretend management.
How can you call a service that is required by law, to be used by only one group a business?
These people who are chosen by their mates, have proven over the last ten years to know little about ATC.
They know about climbing the slippery pole of management, most of which doesn't apply to whatever industry they flutter from and to. They use positive words for their stuffups in their CVs that the next employer is really impressed by, and buggeroff before having to face the music for the mess ATC is in and the troops have to find a way of fixing.
Kiwi Chick! expect your training to be like a catepiller.Mad rush with only a small window of time available, then a soul destroying wait while your turn comes up for training.
It will get worse as Canberra management takes control of your rostering in your training and the delays increase.
The troops you will deal with and talk to, care about you, but you will be just regarded as 'product' or a faceless number to the experts who sit in the gilded tower, controlling your training.
How can you call a service that is required by law, to be used by only one group a business?
These people who are chosen by their mates, have proven over the last ten years to know little about ATC.
They know about climbing the slippery pole of management, most of which doesn't apply to whatever industry they flutter from and to. They use positive words for their stuffups in their CVs that the next employer is really impressed by, and buggeroff before having to face the music for the mess ATC is in and the troops have to find a way of fixing.
Kiwi Chick! expect your training to be like a catepiller.Mad rush with only a small window of time available, then a soul destroying wait while your turn comes up for training.
It will get worse as Canberra management takes control of your rostering in your training and the delays increase.
The troops you will deal with and talk to, care about you, but you will be just regarded as 'product' or a faceless number to the experts who sit in the gilded tower, controlling your training.
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Bollocks
If The Chair of Airservices Australia, Air Chief Marshal Angus Houston (Ret’d) cannot restore order then I believe no one can.
Once AVM Staib became a candidate her relationship with Houston should have precluded Houston being involved in the subsequent selection process, in any way... anything less is corrupt behaviour!
M-G Cosgrove was a respected military leader and I was impressed with his book and his views on leadership. Then he took a position on the board at qantas and all that talk about leadership and looking after your troops is subservient to the corporate point of view.
It's a pretend business with pretend management.How can you call a service that is required by law, to be used by only one group a business?These people who are chosen by their mates, have proven over the last ten years to know little about ATC.They know about climbing the slippery pole of management, most of which doesn't apply to whatever industry they flutter from and to. They use positive words for their stuffups in their CVs that the next employer is really impressed by, and buggeroff before having to face the music for the mess ATC is in and the troops have to find a way of fixing.
Australia has certainly structured ASA, CASA and ATSB to run by diplomats, bureaucrats, government whips, spin doctors and peddlers of pony pooh.
This is how I describe our government funded aviation agencies:
Gobbledock, what a load of rubbish. If you think Houston has made his reputation by saving ministers' arses, you have no knowledge of history or the measure of the man in question.
Houston stood against the Prime Minister and the Chief of Defence Force (who did owe the PM a personal political favour) during the children overboard affair. He also produced a recommendation in his asylum seeker report that was effectively opposed to the government position and had government accepting many of the policies put in place by the Howard government. I believe it was because of the known integrity of Houston that the government was able to change its policy.
I have personally worked for Houston and found him to be open to reflect on his own views when presented with a good argument and that he acted with integrity when others in his position were merely interested in furthering their own career.
Houston stood against the Prime Minister and the Chief of Defence Force (who did owe the PM a personal political favour) during the children overboard affair. He also produced a recommendation in his asylum seeker report that was effectively opposed to the government position and had government accepting many of the policies put in place by the Howard government. I believe it was because of the known integrity of Houston that the government was able to change its policy.
I have personally worked for Houston and found him to be open to reflect on his own views when presented with a good argument and that he acted with integrity when others in his position were merely interested in furthering their own career.
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Headmaster, If all you say is true, then why would the current Minister who is a firm fan of spin, evasion, smoke n mirror acts, carpet sweeping and other poiticaly accepted methods of operation hire such a 'top gun', such a good guy who will inevitably untagle all the mess, pony pooh and incompetence that has been taking place beneath the Ministers nose which would then make said Minister look even more foolish??
Loved his acting work during the Seaview saga........
Loved his acting work during the Seaview saga........
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Well, we are going to find out soon enough, as to whether the Ango and Margie show is as good as some would have us beleve....as the amount of poo cleaning will be a Herculean task as the AsA stables get flushed....if it ever happens.
Might be too late as many in the know are really worried about BN Centre.
Rumour has it that the Brisbane controllers were ready to down headsets after one of their colleagues was recalled from rec leave and then sacked on the spot.
Could be another FED court case coming yet again??
Rumours also abound that staff rec leave about to be cancelled.
Maybe 2 of the EGMs will be donning headsets again???
Might be too late as many in the know are really worried about BN Centre.
Rumour has it that the Brisbane controllers were ready to down headsets after one of their colleagues was recalled from rec leave and then sacked on the spot.
Could be another FED court case coming yet again??
Rumours also abound that staff rec leave about to be cancelled.
Maybe 2 of the EGMs will be donning headsets again???
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Maybe 2 of the EGMs will be donning headsets again???
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I would live to say I can see things changing with AVM in charge, but my gut says things will stay the same.
I hope she knows what's she's getting into where the managers-once-removed hate the staff.
It's like being 9 years old again sometimes, with line managers running (literally) downstairs to tell daddy.
It's so childish I have to laugh sometimes
I hope she knows what's she's getting into where the managers-once-removed hate the staff.
It's like being 9 years old again sometimes, with line managers running (literally) downstairs to tell daddy.
It's so childish I have to laugh sometimes
rotorblades....spot on.
The AWB is turning into a huge s**t storm at the moment. Most of the managers are acting like pork chops, and its all coming from the EGM/GM level.
Corporate values are only relevant from the bottom up and seem to become irrelelvant at about 3 rd level management. After that, its school yard rules.
The AWB is turning into a huge s**t storm at the moment. Most of the managers are acting like pork chops, and its all coming from the EGM/GM level.
Corporate values are only relevant from the bottom up and seem to become irrelelvant at about 3 rd level management. After that, its school yard rules.
