Air New Zealands future Job Prospects
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went through the process a while back, no tricks, traps or other bs.
i got a couple of questions wrong in one of the exams, the examiner quietly came up to me and asked if i wanted to rethink a couple of answers before he marked it
cant get more helpful than that.
i got a couple of questions wrong in one of the exams, the examiner quietly came up to me and asked if i wanted to rethink a couple of answers before he marked it
cant get more helpful than that.
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Reading comments on the thread about 'arrogance of recruitment' and 'all being one company', well therein lies the problem.
No one is entitled to anything and every employer will have a corporate line that should not be taken too literally. As we mature into adults and grow up we become street smart. We stop making assumptions, see through the propaganda and start taking ownership for our own actions rather than blaming company policy.
Anyone joining a Link carrier, knows there is no yellow brick road to mainline so therefore no entitlement. There is no excuse for disappointment or bitterness. The recruitment processes are different, you may pass one and not the other. It's always been like that. Being aware of those two simple facts is called taking ownership for your own decisions.
It's not a case of whether they should or shouldn't be different or more integrated, it's their train set and they make the rules.
If ANZ want to hire someone with no record from outside NZ that meets the criteria and place trust in their recruitment process, that's their choice. Bitching about it won't change a thing apart from demonstrating that perhaps their recruitment process has worked again.
This thread started on the back of progression prospects. I did join ANZ from an overseas airline, I saw what the prospects were going to be, I took accountability for my own decisions and made another one without bitterness or regret.
No one is entitled to anything and every employer will have a corporate line that should not be taken too literally. As we mature into adults and grow up we become street smart. We stop making assumptions, see through the propaganda and start taking ownership for our own actions rather than blaming company policy.
Anyone joining a Link carrier, knows there is no yellow brick road to mainline so therefore no entitlement. There is no excuse for disappointment or bitterness. The recruitment processes are different, you may pass one and not the other. It's always been like that. Being aware of those two simple facts is called taking ownership for your own decisions.
It's not a case of whether they should or shouldn't be different or more integrated, it's their train set and they make the rules.
If ANZ want to hire someone with no record from outside NZ that meets the criteria and place trust in their recruitment process, that's their choice. Bitching about it won't change a thing apart from demonstrating that perhaps their recruitment process has worked again.
This thread started on the back of progression prospects. I did join ANZ from an overseas airline, I saw what the prospects were going to be, I took accountability for my own decisions and made another one without bitterness or regret.
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Yes my trait of doing what I am told to do and ergo staying to the rules 
Now we all know that is not the case of what is being looked for, and the matter is cleared up.
haha, if you don't have an answer just say so.
Now we all know that is not the case of what is being looked for, and the matter is cleared up.
haha, if you don't have an answer just say so.
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The jet fleet is a different contract, to the link operations.
NZALPA and the FANZP both have a strict seniority system in the individual airlines, Eagle, Air Nelson, Mt Cook and the jet operation. The jet fleet is the only one that has multiple types.
In the jet fleets you start as a B777, B767 or shortly a B787 SO, there are also a small number positions as B733 FO but this aircraft is being retired and exited by 2015. The SO and B733 are the entry positions and there are NO exceptions.
NZALPA and the FANZP both have a strict seniority system in the individual airlines, Eagle, Air Nelson, Mt Cook and the jet operation. The jet fleet is the only one that has multiple types.
In the jet fleets you start as a B777, B767 or shortly a B787 SO, there are also a small number positions as B733 FO but this aircraft is being retired and exited by 2015. The SO and B733 are the entry positions and there are NO exceptions.
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NZALPA and the FANZP both have a strict seniority system in the individual airlines, Eagle, Air Nelson, Mt Cook and the jet operation. The jet fleet is the only one that has multiple types.
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Waterwings keep in mind under the fed contract those management pilots do not contribute to the headcount requirement. So they aren't stealing a line pilots spot. But yes beside the point.
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Yes, I know this last post was 5 years ago but it is a slow night and Alan Zymer will not go away.
Many, many, many years ago, there was a couple of applicants applying to ANZ. App 1 had a shiny new Commercial, IR and 300 hour on a 172. App 2 had 3,000+ SIngle Pilot time on the Mt Cook PA31 (said it was many years ago). App 1 was welcomed with open arms. App 2 was told "Laddie, you need to go and get a few more hours and then try again". Ok, it wasn't the actual quote but that was the gist of what he was told.
Many, many, many years ago, there was a couple of applicants applying to ANZ. App 1 had a shiny new Commercial, IR and 300 hour on a 172. App 2 had 3,000+ SIngle Pilot time on the Mt Cook PA31 (said it was many years ago). App 1 was welcomed with open arms. App 2 was told "Laddie, you need to go and get a few more hours and then try again". Ok, it wasn't the actual quote but that was the gist of what he was told.
If you miss out an an airline job there are about three things you can do.
1. Blame the recruiting system and wait for the system to change. This may never happen.
2. Blame the recruiting system and try and get a job with a company that has a "better" system. You may find that all of the good companies have similarly broken recruiting systems.
3. Consider that, hey, maybe the recruiting system actually found genuine fault with you, the candidate, and maybe you could work on changing a few things about yourself.
If you continually blame external factors for **** that happens to you then nothing will ever change.
1. Blame the recruiting system and wait for the system to change. This may never happen.
2. Blame the recruiting system and try and get a job with a company that has a "better" system. You may find that all of the good companies have similarly broken recruiting systems.
3. Consider that, hey, maybe the recruiting system actually found genuine fault with you, the candidate, and maybe you could work on changing a few things about yourself.
If you continually blame external factors for **** that happens to you then nothing will ever change.
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Some people..myself included..don’t do well in interviews..clammy hands..nervous sweat..stammering..forgetting all the things you’ve studied and stuff you do know sounds unconvincing when you say it to the panel..probably perfectly good pilots and perfectly nice guys and girls but nice guys don’t always get the girl
This 5 year old thread is a great reminder of how quickly things can change.
In recent years, newly hired A320 FO's have started in Christchurch.
A320 Commands are sitting about 5 years at the moment and there's talk of them getting as low as 3.
If you can't roll with the waves, then a legacy Airline probably isn't for you. Best pack your bags and head overseas where you jump from one Airline to the next as a DEC. Doesn't matter if it's Jetstar, Virgin, JetConnect or Air NZ, when Commands come up in as little as 3 years there's a very good reason for it, nobody ahead of you wants them....
Hi All.
I am an Air NZ second officer and have been for the past 5 years on the 747/777. I live in Christchurch, and am at this stage looking at another 5 years untill an airbus A320 FO job out of CHC. That's correct, an A320 FO job. (that is 10 years as an S/O) this is best guess work, and could well be longer.
Please note that this is going to be standard at Air NZ from now on. At the moment an A320 Captain slot at Air NZ is about 20 years from joining. I Repeat , 20 YEARS for an A320 Command!!
Please correct me if I am wrong. If I went to Jetstar now, how long would it take to command??? 3 years maybe?? compared to 20???? this is realistic. I am aware there is a well deserved pay rise on the horizon at Jetstar, which I am sure will overtake Air NZ base pay in the short term(wont take much).
What I am pointing out here, is that if you are looking at Air NZ for a long time career, think again, there are far superior options, you do the figures, don't be fooled, Air NZ maybe a fools game.
Officially Air NZ is now the slowest progressing Airline in the world, it has overtaken Air Canada, depressing I know, but correct.
This post is purely for information only.
All the Best Comrads
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I am an Air NZ second officer and have been for the past 5 years on the 747/777. I live in Christchurch, and am at this stage looking at another 5 years untill an airbus A320 FO job out of CHC. That's correct, an A320 FO job. (that is 10 years as an S/O) this is best guess work, and could well be longer.
Please note that this is going to be standard at Air NZ from now on. At the moment an A320 Captain slot at Air NZ is about 20 years from joining. I Repeat , 20 YEARS for an A320 Command!!
Please correct me if I am wrong. If I went to Jetstar now, how long would it take to command??? 3 years maybe?? compared to 20???? this is realistic. I am aware there is a well deserved pay rise on the horizon at Jetstar, which I am sure will overtake Air NZ base pay in the short term(wont take much).
What I am pointing out here, is that if you are looking at Air NZ for a long time career, think again, there are far superior options, you do the figures, don't be fooled, Air NZ maybe a fools game.
Officially Air NZ is now the slowest progressing Airline in the world, it has overtaken Air Canada, depressing I know, but correct.
This post is purely for information only.
All the Best Comrads
Bushwackernz
A320 Commands are sitting about 5 years at the moment and there's talk of them getting as low as 3.
If you can't roll with the waves, then a legacy Airline probably isn't for you. Best pack your bags and head overseas where you jump from one Airline to the next as a DEC. Doesn't matter if it's Jetstar, Virgin, JetConnect or Air NZ, when Commands come up in as little as 3 years there's a very good reason for it, nobody ahead of you wants them....
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I think they’ve had to send a few people sideways because of the 787 fiasco...if they can get those things back on schedule they might ramp up again.
And with command times, I have heard through the grape vine that Virgin NZ commands are officially open to the entire Virgin Tiger Group. All the latest commands have all gone to Australians that have been with the company for over ten years. No wonder there’s so many Virgin pilots (including captains) looking to jump ship to Uncle Koru. I have heard that some of the latest rounds of NZ interviews have been made up of almost entirely Virgin pilots!
Command times of LESS than five years with Air New Zealand, JetConnect, Jetstar etc... but Virgin is in excess of TEN years. Virgin remains to be one of the least attractive airlines to work for NZ...
Command times of LESS than five years with Air New Zealand, JetConnect, Jetstar etc... but Virgin is in excess of TEN years. Virgin remains to be one of the least attractive airlines to work for NZ...
Yes, command time in NZ has extended out due to group seniority but that’s what an integrated seniority number does. Not sure why a VA Captain would be leaving as they would be taking a pay cut, not the smartest move in my thinking.
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Horses for courses. If you take the long term view and can afford to take the short term pain of a pay cut it may be worth a crack and provide you with a more varied and rewarding career path.
Not entirely correct... only 2 commands were awarded to current Australian based FO’s, the rest were awarded to NZ based FO’s.
Yes, command time in NZ has extended out due to group seniority but that’s what an integrated seniority number does. Not sure why a VA Captain would be leaving as they would be taking a pay cut, not the smartest move in my thinking.
Not entirely correct... only 2 commands were awarded to current Australian based FO’s, the rest were awarded to NZ based FO’s.
Yes, command time in NZ has extended out due to group seniority but that’s what an integrated seniority number does. Not sure why a VA Captain would be leaving as they would be taking a pay cut, not the smartest move in my thinking.
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So how many VANZ pilots are waiting for a start at Air NZ? Or are there a few pondering the move? I would suggest doing it sooner than later if that’s what they are thinking.
The difference working for AirNZ vs VANZ is night and day, from first hand experience. (Except for all the really good buggers at VANZ). If you are an F/O it’s a no brainer. Even as a captain it’s worth serious consideration if your bank account/ego can take a hit for a few years.
The A320 training dept are talking about commands going as low as 2-3 years. Currently at 5. There is 50-70 commands next year that manpower are planning....
The difference working for AirNZ vs VANZ is night and day, from first hand experience. (Except for all the really good buggers at VANZ). If you are an F/O it’s a no brainer. Even as a captain it’s worth serious consideration if your bank account/ego can take a hit for a few years.
The A320 training dept are talking about commands going as low as 2-3 years. Currently at 5. There is 50-70 commands next year that manpower are planning....
Damn. All f/o’s?
So how many VANZ pilots are waiting for a start at Air NZ? Or are there a few pondering the move? I would suggest doing it sooner than later if that’s what they are thinking.
The difference working for AirNZ vs VANZ is night and day, from first hand experience. (Except for all the really good buggers at VANZ). If you are an F/O it’s a no brainer. Even as a captain it’s worth serious consideration if your bank account/ego can take a hit for a few years.
The A320 training dept are talking about commands going as low as 2-3 years. Currently at 5. There is 50-70 commands next year that manpower are planning....
The difference working for AirNZ vs VANZ is night and day, from first hand experience. (Except for all the really good buggers at VANZ). If you are an F/O it’s a no brainer. Even as a captain it’s worth serious consideration if your bank account/ego can take a hit for a few years.
The A320 training dept are talking about commands going as low as 2-3 years. Currently at 5. There is 50-70 commands next year that manpower are planning....
VANZ for a NZer is going to eventually end up in either a contract overseas or a position in Oz if you want a change in scenery. If your a NZer FO in VANZ and want to stay in NZ, its a no brainer.
I suspect the 3% attrition projection is optimistic low at VANZ....