Air New Zealands future Job Prospects
Bitching moaning, bitching moaning! Everyone thinks they are owed something these days. All the posts here are an example of what the Indusitry today has become. To the S/O who whinges why he isn't a Captain yet, shows you are not ready to be one!!! And if you don't like it....... Tough!
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well mate...back in the late 70,s early 80s...tried 5000 times to get on with ANZ
.......at the time,you essentially needed ....a letter from the pope...one from the prime minister....a "good bloke" letter from Sir Arthur Porritt..... have had tea and crumpet with Muldoons wife .....and graduated from Auckland boys Grammer.... with Honours
.............none of which I had,could steal or bribe for....so I left......it hasnt been a bad ride...... my advice,...make your own flying career,dont let anyone else make for u......its not that bad on the "outside"..............and ...no whinging,it wont do you any favours
.......at the time,you essentially needed ....a letter from the pope...one from the prime minister....a "good bloke" letter from Sir Arthur Porritt..... have had tea and crumpet with Muldoons wife .....and graduated from Auckland boys Grammer.... with Honours
.............none of which I had,could steal or bribe for....so I left......it hasnt been a bad ride...... my advice,...make your own flying career,dont let anyone else make for u......its not that bad on the "outside"..............and ...no whinging,it wont do you any favours
The only people that could have an idea would be those that have done both, S/O and Command at a LCC/other operator.
There are guys/girls that have done exactly that... Air NZ S.Os have left before you..
No everybody doesn't, but screw you if I'm already at the top... nice.. I'm sure your a dream to fly with...
With no definite retirement age, as a certain court case set precedent for I see your pain... Sure the older generation do deserve to stay there.. but quite rightly as has been said, they probably got their commands after 3-4 years...
Did they even have S.O positions back in those days?
It's not the Air NZ S.Os that are the suckers.. they deserve a shot, but through unfortunate timing, you probably won't see a command this side of 60. Might explain why most people leaving the links are off to Virgin/Jetstar/Cobham...
Air NZ Human Resources won't see this as a problem as they've already counted on some of you leaving and have started a cadet scheme in time for the planned hump in 10 years.
It comes down to this, whats more important? Lifestyle or a Command..?
You can have a (jet) command based in NZ, however the conditions aren't Air NZ... and they aren't Emirates but they are very livable...
There are guys/girls that have done exactly that... Air NZ S.Os have left before you..
Everyone thinks they are owed something these days.
With no definite retirement age, as a certain court case set precedent for I see your pain... Sure the older generation do deserve to stay there.. but quite rightly as has been said, they probably got their commands after 3-4 years...
Did they even have S.O positions back in those days?
It's not the Air NZ S.Os that are the suckers.. they deserve a shot, but through unfortunate timing, you probably won't see a command this side of 60. Might explain why most people leaving the links are off to Virgin/Jetstar/Cobham...
Air NZ Human Resources won't see this as a problem as they've already counted on some of you leaving and have started a cadet scheme in time for the planned hump in 10 years.
It comes down to this, whats more important? Lifestyle or a Command..?
You can have a (jet) command based in NZ, however the conditions aren't Air NZ... and they aren't Emirates but they are very livable...
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sand dune sam......youve read the script mate...and I beleive that "rating" would have turned the tide for sure!!!!.......but the kiwi space programme was just a dream in the wind
some of these young fellas will learn the youth and skill will eventually turn to old age and treachery.....some of us get good at it.....life is a gr8 meat pie and cold tinnie....
some of these young fellas will learn the youth and skill will eventually turn to old age and treachery.....some of us get good at it.....life is a gr8 meat pie and cold tinnie....
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some of these young fellas will learn the youth and skill will eventually turn to old age and treachery.....some of us get good at it.....life is a gr8 meat pie and cold tinnie....
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H1....Yeah mate...never a truer word spoken.....you would think that after being on this thing the same amount of time it takes to chug 987,321 tinnies I would have a handle on it....but just about evey other day its
WTF!!! IS THIS THING DOING NOW????.........
Go Hurricanes!!
WTF!!! IS THIS THING DOING NOW????.........
Go Hurricanes!!
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I think by space shuttle rating he was referring to the B1900D as operated by airnz link with the purest most Zen form of SOPs.
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mattij...I have flown the 1900 A-B Models .....they looked like space shuttles...and probably flew like them....get a kick out of the number of trim tabs the new ones have
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"Quote"...Give me variety and realistic progression mixed with a bunch of good bastards that enjoy what they do and are always up for a beer on an overnight any day of the week!
cheeky buggar for sure....mate..when you were swinging in your dads bags ,....I was loading them.....
cheeky buggar for sure....mate..when you were swinging in your dads bags ,....I was loading them.....
with a bunch of good bastards that enjoy what they do and are always up for a beer on an overnight
Personally I prefer drinking with a good bloke than a bastard though. Then again we all know Kiwis are not very fussy
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To the originator of the post.....if you are one of the "younger" S/Os, your long term prospects and total career earnings at NZ may be better than you think. With many long term F/Os now into their 50s, their actual length of time as a wide body Captain will be quite limited....indeed some have told me they are not expecting a command before they retire.
That points to "the bubble" of retirements expected within the next 10 years meaning commands earlier, and for a longer period for the current "young guys". Admittedly that may be 15 or 20 years after joining, but for some that could mean a widebody command in their mid to late 40s, as opposed to the current late 50s or not at all.
I've been continually downgrading my own career expectations....maybe a 767 command, or posssibly a 787 before I'm 60, but I had the misfortune to work for a couple of now defunct airlines, so I don't have a lot of years left.
As everyone else has advised, it's all about choices. I doubt anyone ever promised you quick promotion in Air NZ...afterall, even the early batches of S/Os did up to 10 years in that role. Be thankful you have CHC living costs, not AKL ones, but if you want to get a quick command, then go elsewhere. If it's Jetstar or PacBlue, remember that once you have the jet command, that will be it. No further advancement until you retire (unless you leave NZ) At least at Air NZ the carrot of a "big jet" is always there.
Swings and roundabouts....evaluate the options and take your pick.
I'm staying put, as a lifestyle choice. It's not about the aircraft type or even the seat I sit in...it's about where I get the best money/days off/lifestyle balance. I choose to live in NZ, and compared to other occupations , I think I do ok.
Cheers
DC
That points to "the bubble" of retirements expected within the next 10 years meaning commands earlier, and for a longer period for the current "young guys". Admittedly that may be 15 or 20 years after joining, but for some that could mean a widebody command in their mid to late 40s, as opposed to the current late 50s or not at all.
I've been continually downgrading my own career expectations....maybe a 767 command, or posssibly a 787 before I'm 60, but I had the misfortune to work for a couple of now defunct airlines, so I don't have a lot of years left.
As everyone else has advised, it's all about choices. I doubt anyone ever promised you quick promotion in Air NZ...afterall, even the early batches of S/Os did up to 10 years in that role. Be thankful you have CHC living costs, not AKL ones, but if you want to get a quick command, then go elsewhere. If it's Jetstar or PacBlue, remember that once you have the jet command, that will be it. No further advancement until you retire (unless you leave NZ) At least at Air NZ the carrot of a "big jet" is always there.
Swings and roundabouts....evaluate the options and take your pick.
I'm staying put, as a lifestyle choice. It's not about the aircraft type or even the seat I sit in...it's about where I get the best money/days off/lifestyle balance. I choose to live in NZ, and compared to other occupations , I think I do ok.
Cheers
DC
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Hi there,
Read the April 2012 addition of 'Pacific Wings' - an article about becoming an AirNZ pilot. There is a table outlining time-to-command with Regionals as well as a base pay figure for Link F/O's (taken from Eagle's rates I believe)
Read the April 2012 addition of 'Pacific Wings' - an article about becoming an AirNZ pilot. There is a table outlining time-to-command with Regionals as well as a base pay figure for Link F/O's (taken from Eagle's rates I believe)
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So when will Air NZ interview again? If youre a Captain in the Link group wanting to move onto the Jets, what are the chances of getting an interview in the next 3 years?
