Albanese does nothing on Sydney Airports
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Who would of thought!
(many emotion's over flowing all of a sudden)
Jumbo-sized row over Sydney Airport
Illustration: Cathy Wilcox
THE awarding of the 2014 Group of 20 leaders summit to Brisbane has reignited the fight over a second Sydney airport after the federal government said it based its decision on an admission the airport did not have the capacity to park up to 40 jumbo jets.
While the NSW government accused the Gillard government of opting for Brisbane in a blatant bid to win votes in a hostile Queensland, the federal government cited Sydney's inadequate airport and the fact the convention centre would be out of action at the time due to renovations.
The Herald has been told that during the assessment process to determine the host city, Sydney Airport Corporation told the government it could not accommodate the numbers of wide-bodied aircraft in a short time frame ''without causing significant impact on their commercial operation''.
''The federal government anticipated that during the G20 we would need to accommodate up to 40 of these wide bodied aircraft, overnight, on short time frames,'' a source said.
The corporation did not dispute the parking problem yesterday but doubted whether Brisbane could accommodate all the planes either.
The chairman of the corporation, Max Moore-Wilton, dismissed other government concerns that Sydney Airport was at full capacity and could not accommodate the extra takeoff and landing slots without severe disruption.
He told the Herald the airport had been coping with the same volume of traffic since 2000 and during that time it had handled the Olympics and APEC in 2007, which is similar in size and calibre to the G20. ''We coped with those, we would have coped with this,'' he said.
During APEC, the airport managed to park most planes in spare Qantas hangars but that space is now filled by the airline's A-380 Airbuses.
The Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, has been warning the NSW government it needs to approve a second airport or the city will start missing such opportunities.
''There needs to be an acknowledgment right across the board that if Sydney is to maintain our position as a global city we do need a second airport, we do need to deal with these infrastructure issues,'' he said.
The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, said by comparison, Brisbane's convention centre was ''in fantastic nick'' and the much bigger airport was well positioned to deal ''with the pressure that will come with so many world leaders all arriving in quite a compressed window of time and then leaving in quite a compressed window of time''.
The G20 will involve 20 of the world's most powerful leaders, five non-G20 leaders, seven heads of international organisations including the United Nations, and about 7000 delegates and media.
The state Planning Minister, Brad Hazzard, rejected the government's reasoning.
''This is about Julia Gillard wanting to get more numbers in a state that is already saying no to Labor,'' he said.
Mr Hazzard said with the convention centre out of action, NSW had offered the Opera House and the Museum of Contemporary Art.
''To take the G20 leaders to Brisbane when you had the chance to bring them to this wonderful, wonderful city is simply an indication that Julia Gillard is willing to use the political leaders of the world as her personal political playthings,'' he said. ''What the leaders of Russia and Britain will think when they're told they're going to go to Brisbane over Sydney one only can guess.''
The Queensland Premier, Campbell Newman, gloated that Queensland had won the state-of-origin series and now the G20
Read more: Jumbo-sized row over Sydney Airport
Illustration: Cathy Wilcox THE awarding of the 2014 Group of 20 leaders summit to Brisbane has reignited the fight over a second Sydney airport after the federal government said it based its decision on an admission the airport did not have the capacity to park up to 40 jumbo jets.
While the NSW government accused the Gillard government of opting for Brisbane in a blatant bid to win votes in a hostile Queensland, the federal government cited Sydney's inadequate airport and the fact the convention centre would be out of action at the time due to renovations.
The Herald has been told that during the assessment process to determine the host city, Sydney Airport Corporation told the government it could not accommodate the numbers of wide-bodied aircraft in a short time frame ''without causing significant impact on their commercial operation''.
''The federal government anticipated that during the G20 we would need to accommodate up to 40 of these wide bodied aircraft, overnight, on short time frames,'' a source said.
The corporation did not dispute the parking problem yesterday but doubted whether Brisbane could accommodate all the planes either.
The chairman of the corporation, Max Moore-Wilton, dismissed other government concerns that Sydney Airport was at full capacity and could not accommodate the extra takeoff and landing slots without severe disruption.
He told the Herald the airport had been coping with the same volume of traffic since 2000 and during that time it had handled the Olympics and APEC in 2007, which is similar in size and calibre to the G20. ''We coped with those, we would have coped with this,'' he said.
During APEC, the airport managed to park most planes in spare Qantas hangars but that space is now filled by the airline's A-380 Airbuses.
The Transport Minister, Anthony Albanese, has been warning the NSW government it needs to approve a second airport or the city will start missing such opportunities.
''There needs to be an acknowledgment right across the board that if Sydney is to maintain our position as a global city we do need a second airport, we do need to deal with these infrastructure issues,'' he said.
The Prime Minister, Julia Gillard, said by comparison, Brisbane's convention centre was ''in fantastic nick'' and the much bigger airport was well positioned to deal ''with the pressure that will come with so many world leaders all arriving in quite a compressed window of time and then leaving in quite a compressed window of time''.
The G20 will involve 20 of the world's most powerful leaders, five non-G20 leaders, seven heads of international organisations including the United Nations, and about 7000 delegates and media.
The state Planning Minister, Brad Hazzard, rejected the government's reasoning.
''This is about Julia Gillard wanting to get more numbers in a state that is already saying no to Labor,'' he said.
Mr Hazzard said with the convention centre out of action, NSW had offered the Opera House and the Museum of Contemporary Art.
''To take the G20 leaders to Brisbane when you had the chance to bring them to this wonderful, wonderful city is simply an indication that Julia Gillard is willing to use the political leaders of the world as her personal political playthings,'' he said. ''What the leaders of Russia and Britain will think when they're told they're going to go to Brisbane over Sydney one only can guess.''
The Queensland Premier, Campbell Newman, gloated that Queensland had won the state-of-origin series and now the G20
Read more: Jumbo-sized row over Sydney Airport
Thank God they don't fly or fix planes, we would all be on 4 stopovers before they decided the destination .......
found a link that kinda sums things up....
The Lessons Learned – Worst Mistakes Ever Made
To keep this light, though on point, here are the tracks to my 'Worst Mistakes' blues CD:
1. Forgetting the Reason which prompted your action:
I think you could apply this principle to every corner of life. It is very bad to loose sight of the reason you started something, launched a project, or even why you maintain certain relationships.
This is what allows madness to have its own life. I look at software development in very much the same way. At some juncture, and usually at great cost, the ego must be checked and remembering the reason you started a project should take the foreground.
Though, I can't say I've actually witnessed this acknowledgment too often, you know the usual suspects: Technologies seemingly selected as resume boosters or for some idiosyncratic bias, good money thrown after bad because 'we've invested so much already' or just simple disconnects from the folks whose input is so critical to the reason.
The end game should never fall into obfuscation. If you set out to build something, its purpose shouldn't be so opaque as to remind others of cable guy Roy Neary's mountain project in 'Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind'.
2. Ego over Reason
Yep, this is a crippler. We've seen multi-million dollar technology projects roll past all projections of time and expediture. Changed requirements provided by the business, but wait, none of them are with the firm anymore. Gee, so now you're building out infrastructure, coding applications, hyping expectations and when you finally get to the dance your date says "why did you wear THAT? and oh, I didn't know you drove an '87 Escort...".
Ego hurts. Well, sometimes it kills. And sometimes wasted money is just that. Wasted money. Point is, while it takes a lot to admit a mistake and put a stop to the bleeding, your CFO will likely thank you.
In the end, knowing when to kill a project is as important as knowing when to start one.
3. Pedal to the Metal
Momentum. Like ego, can kill.
We always hear about 'ramping up'. We never hear about proceeding with caution; heck, let's just throw that to the wind. Momentum without tangible proof of concept is the equivalent of riding solely on emotion. And while emotion is both powerful and useful, engineering is based on objective facts and proven results. This leads back to reason. So, I would suggest that too much vision and too little proof is another worst mistake.
4. Your Candor makes me Cringe
Jack Welch, in his best selling book Winning, devotes a segment solely to candor and its importance. What he's really referring to is the inability of many companies to allow the truth to surface. Too often, those who speak the truth are regarded as dissenters and are met with reprisal or dismissal. Kudos to Jack for chasticing this practice and instead fostering a culture that values honesty at GE. Too bad for those elsewhere whose reluctance to embrace valid employee candor was their worst mistake.
5. The Breakup Song
It's true that people who are incompetent should go. But is it possible for everyone to be incompetent? I mean, really?
Ok, let's add 'changing players so often that your learning curve never improves' to the list of mistakes.
Somewhere, you have a core team that needs a voice and forum. They need a leader and mentor. Give them a voice and be a good coach to get real answers.
6. I Only Needed a Chevy (Mercedes Benz Blues)
So, we know all about ailing Detroit and their bail-outs; this item isn't anything about them. It's simply a commentary on the purpose of technology, or at least one of them - especially as it concerns business, technology's role and the very timely debate of needs versus wants.
Technology should sit at the table and play the role of enabler. Our primary mission should be to solve business problems, maximize operational effort and provide competitive edge in our respective industries. If your technology's 'slick factor' is a differentiator, then perhaps it makes sense to build the Mercedes of applications or infrastructure. There are, however, too many times when all that is needed is a Chevy!
Yep, you heard it here.
Now where's my hanky?....
..mistakes!
The Lessons Learned
To keep this light, though on point, here are the tracks to my 'Worst Mistakes' blues CD:
1. Forgetting the Reason which prompted your action:
I think you could apply this principle to every corner of life. It is very bad to loose sight of the reason you started something, launched a project, or even why you maintain certain relationships.
This is what allows madness to have its own life. I look at software development in very much the same way. At some juncture, and usually at great cost, the ego must be checked and remembering the reason you started a project should take the foreground.
Though, I can't say I've actually witnessed this acknowledgment too often, you know the usual suspects: Technologies seemingly selected as resume boosters or for some idiosyncratic bias, good money thrown after bad because 'we've invested so much already' or just simple disconnects from the folks whose input is so critical to the reason.
The end game should never fall into obfuscation. If you set out to build something, its purpose shouldn't be so opaque as to remind others of cable guy Roy Neary's mountain project in 'Close Encounters of the 3rd Kind'.
2. Ego over Reason
Yep, this is a crippler. We've seen multi-million dollar technology projects roll past all projections of time and expediture. Changed requirements provided by the business, but wait, none of them are with the firm anymore. Gee, so now you're building out infrastructure, coding applications, hyping expectations and when you finally get to the dance your date says "why did you wear THAT? and oh, I didn't know you drove an '87 Escort...".
Ego hurts. Well, sometimes it kills. And sometimes wasted money is just that. Wasted money. Point is, while it takes a lot to admit a mistake and put a stop to the bleeding, your CFO will likely thank you.
In the end, knowing when to kill a project is as important as knowing when to start one.
3. Pedal to the Metal
Momentum. Like ego, can kill.
We always hear about 'ramping up'. We never hear about proceeding with caution; heck, let's just throw that to the wind. Momentum without tangible proof of concept is the equivalent of riding solely on emotion. And while emotion is both powerful and useful, engineering is based on objective facts and proven results. This leads back to reason. So, I would suggest that too much vision and too little proof is another worst mistake.
4. Your Candor makes me Cringe
Jack Welch, in his best selling book Winning, devotes a segment solely to candor and its importance. What he's really referring to is the inability of many companies to allow the truth to surface. Too often, those who speak the truth are regarded as dissenters and are met with reprisal or dismissal. Kudos to Jack for chasticing this practice and instead fostering a culture that values honesty at GE. Too bad for those elsewhere whose reluctance to embrace valid employee candor was their worst mistake.
5. The Breakup Song
It's true that people who are incompetent should go. But is it possible for everyone to be incompetent? I mean, really?
Ok, let's add 'changing players so often that your learning curve never improves' to the list of mistakes.
Somewhere, you have a core team that needs a voice and forum. They need a leader and mentor. Give them a voice and be a good coach to get real answers.
6. I Only Needed a Chevy (Mercedes Benz Blues)
So, we know all about ailing Detroit and their bail-outs; this item isn't anything about them. It's simply a commentary on the purpose of technology, or at least one of them - especially as it concerns business, technology's role and the very timely debate of needs versus wants.
Technology should sit at the table and play the role of enabler. Our primary mission should be to solve business problems, maximize operational effort and provide competitive edge in our respective industries. If your technology's 'slick factor' is a differentiator, then perhaps it makes sense to build the Mercedes of applications or infrastructure. There are, however, too many times when all that is needed is a Chevy!
Yep, you heard it here.
Now where's my hanky?....
..mistakes!
The Lessons Learned
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At least just the official mention of intent might get the NSW/Sydney administrators off their collective arses and doing something.
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the much bigger airport was well positioned to deal ''with the pressure that will come with so many world leaders all arriving in quite a compressed window of time and then leaving in quite a compressed window of time''.
That bigger airport with essentially one runway. Idiots comes to mind. Whenever Sydney airport comes up, why don't journalist ask the minister about movement caps and curfews, that was in the review he commissioned, yet glossed over instead to talk about a site that is not even the preferred one.
Before spending billions on a third rate site, why don't they see what Syd airport can do.
Syd airport is not without it's problems and a second airport is probably a no brainer, but let's use the one we have to close to it's maximum.
Before spending billions on a third rate site, why don't they see what Syd airport can do.
Syd airport is not without it's problems and a second airport is probably a no brainer, but let's use the one we have to close to it's maximum.
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Albo and Gillard will be long gone by the G20 in 2014.Its all about politics and nothing to do with Sydney Airport capacity.Labor are a bunch of imcompetent idiots!
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Putting all the political BS and the short comings of Sydney airport aside all i say is after experiencing all the Nazi crap that went on during Sydney's Apec is that Brisbane is more than welcome to the G20.
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anyone who wants to see the letter he sent me which made me loose all respect for him and the labour party - and i never ever ever thought that would happen - message me - or please explain how to scan and attach it. - maybe he is the one who has put the hit on a crew member.
but seriously if we don't all stand up and speak the truth how are we going to sleep at night when 400 of our family and friends and collegues bite the dust so that our ceo s could lie on TV and make us feel soo soo soo sorry for them
i love hanging out with bikies and army and sas and commandos and the mob - i am serious. they make me feel very very safe compared to our managers
but seriously if we don't all stand up and speak the truth how are we going to sleep at night when 400 of our family and friends and collegues bite the dust so that our ceo s could lie on TV and make us feel soo soo soo sorry for them
i love hanging out with bikies and army and sas and commandos and the mob - i am serious. they make me feel very very safe compared to our managers
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+1. APEC was a nightmare as a Syd resident.
Also where was the current G20 2012 Mexico held??
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Los Cabos
Mexico's 80th largest city with a popn of about 200k
+1. APEC was a nightmare as a Syd resident.
Also where was the current G20 2012 Mexico held??
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Los Cabos
Mexico's 80th largest city with a popn of about 200k
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I was living in Botany at the time and working in the CBD.
I even emailed Howard and told him to bugger off to Kings Canyon. What a crap week it was. From continuous phone drop outs to gridlock traffic. tried to walk to visit a client and just seemed to have run in after run in with the TRG freaks. Lost a fair bit of business that week. Maybe we can flog off that 5klm security fencing to Brissy.
I even emailed Howard and told him to bugger off to Kings Canyon. What a crap week it was. From continuous phone drop outs to gridlock traffic. tried to walk to visit a client and just seemed to have run in after run in with the TRG freaks. Lost a fair bit of business that week. Maybe we can flog off that 5klm security fencing to Brissy.
Nunc est bibendum
The back story to the Chaser stuff was that the copper who waved them through had been chastised just the day before for being over zealous with security and delaying people who were OK to go through.
Albo's off to the AAT!
Sound's like the Tory bashing, Westwing junkie with the bad teeth...is about to cop another pineapple. All while the 2nd Sydney airport saga (pineapple) is only partly ingested, see here:
Archerfield Airport Chamber of Commerce Inc - General Aviation Industry Joint Media Release
Sounds like Archerfield Airport have got some pretty heavy hitters backing them up...hmm whose shout for the popcorn??
Archerfield Airport Chamber of Commerce Inc - General Aviation Industry Joint Media Release
Sounds like Archerfield Airport have got some pretty heavy hitters backing them up...hmm whose shout for the popcorn??
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Must be an election in the air.. Sydney is desperate for a second airport all of a sudden, not sure what he has in mind though... clear as mud...
Sydney Airport is at breaking point and the city is in desperate need for a second airport, federal Infrastructure Minister Anthony Albanese says.
Mr Albanese said the ''Sydney doesn't need a second airport'' argument failed the practical test of anyone who used the airport at Mascot.
Read more: Second Airport For Sydney
Mr Albanese said the ''Sydney doesn't need a second airport'' argument failed the practical test of anyone who used the airport at Mascot.
Read more: Second Airport For Sydney
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Another study, another delay for second Sydney airport
It just goes on and on and on....
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The way things are going the studies will cost more than the cost of building a second airport. 
Thanks Albo!
Sydney Airport (Wilton) study all about Badgerys Creek | Plane Talking
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The state government, councils, property developers and community groups have reacted with disdain to Anthony Albanese's proposal for more studies into the viability of an airport at Wilton to the far south-west of Sydney.
Labor baulks at decision on second airport before election
Thanks Albo!Sydney Airport (Wilton) study all about Badgerys Creek | Plane Talking
If Tony Abbott was delivering Anthony Albanese’s study into the suitability of Wilton as a site for a 2nd Sydney Airport which was released today he would have described it as ‘dead, buried and cremated.’
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God it's just unfathomable to think that this is happening again
Am convinced that such studies are to keep the unpopular debate on simmer 'till the end of these fools 3 year tenure where they can hand the lot over to the next fool!
The ministers have to been 'seen' to be doing something to justify their positions.
It's all a con & there will be some whom will take the bait!
Wmk2
Am convinced that such studies are to keep the unpopular debate on simmer 'till the end of these fools 3 year tenure where they can hand the lot over to the next fool!
The ministers have to been 'seen' to be doing something to justify their positions.
It's all a con & there will be some whom will take the bait!
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The Minister For Bad Teeth is smarter than he looks, painful to say. He is out of a job come Sep/Oct whenever the stupid election is.
He will pop up as a Consultant to some kind of infrastructure, such as a multi million dollar airport study!
Perfect for him, more troughs as a reward for his intellect, wisdom and high level infrastructure capability. Oink oink.....
He will pop up as a Consultant to some kind of infrastructure, such as a multi million dollar airport study!
Perfect for him, more troughs as a reward for his intellect, wisdom and high level infrastructure capability. Oink oink.....
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The report says that Riccy could only support ops up to 737 / A320 size.
Terminal & apron facilities aside, surely the existing runway can support heavier aircraft than that? I've seen C5s happily get in & out of there.
OK with only 7000' of runway they might not be able to go very far, but surely at least a 767-size aircraft (so 787?) could happily do trips as far as Adelaide out of Richmond? Keg??
Terminal & apron facilities aside, surely the existing runway can support heavier aircraft than that? I've seen C5s happily get in & out of there.
OK with only 7000' of runway they might not be able to go very far, but surely at least a 767-size aircraft (so 787?) could happily do trips as far as Adelaide out of Richmond? Keg??
Maybe the thread should be titled "Albo does nothing for any airports full stop"!
Although he did instigate the "Great White Elephant Act" that mentioned something about airports...err I think??
More to the point is that Albo seems to have an aversion to anything starting with or containing the letters "Air" or the word "aviation" in the context of a statement.
So maybe Sydney's second airport should be called the..."the Great flying train port" or "Sydney's second landing strip!"
Although he did instigate the "Great White Elephant Act" that mentioned something about airports...err I think??
More to the point is that Albo seems to have an aversion to anything starting with or containing the letters "Air" or the word "aviation" in the context of a statement.
So maybe Sydney's second airport should be called the..."the Great flying train port" or "Sydney's second landing strip!"