Pilot sues Virgin
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I think fella's that if this bloke gets some money, VA/QF/JQ will be watching carefully for senior pilots who suddenly cannot straighten up, and rightfully so. The fact is, this could open a flood gate for the "suddenly stricken" suddenly pain on the flight deck will become worthy of acts that would put Russell Crowe to shame, and separating the wheat from the chaff will not be easy. Meanwhile Slater and Gordon are circling.
Just re checked my posts #16 and 48.
What's so disgusting about a whether I carry or drag a bag?
I'm entitled to an opinion.
The weight of my bag is a fact.
What is wrong with asking who is advising him?
Nothing offensive or disgusting from me.
Direct your attention at "who let the cat out of the bag"!
What's so disgusting about a whether I carry or drag a bag?
I'm entitled to an opinion.
The weight of my bag is a fact.
What is wrong with asking who is advising him?
Nothing offensive or disgusting from me.
Direct your attention at "who let the cat out of the bag"!
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I used to see Capt Linton K. Snr humping bags and swinging 20lt oil drums up onto his DC-3 at Mascot without a problem. I guess in the "olden days" compo wasn't such a big thing....
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Devils advocate
Why do you need jepp charts anyway... Dont you guys have an FMS with all the approaches in it.. ? Coded and QA checked etc..
All that is missing is the minima and you can pretty much work that out with a brain..or ask the atc dude .....
Oh..And a aerodrome chart... Wot else do you need to get from an ils to an ils anyway? Okay ... Waiting for comments on that one!
But seriously, electronic flight bags and ipad type devices are the way forward for several reasons ... It is just more cost at the moment than the mandraulic paper way I guess.?
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All that is missing is the minima and you can pretty much work that out with a brain..or ask the atc dude .....
Oh..And a aerodrome chart... Wot else do you need to get from an ils to an ils anyway? Okay ... Waiting for comments on that one!
But seriously, electronic flight bags and ipad type devices are the way forward for several reasons ... It is just more cost at the moment than the mandraulic paper way I guess.?
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Spike, thankyou for the warm welcome, it's good to be back after a short hiatus away on business matters. Hopefully we will be sparring again soon! I hope your back gets better soon ol fella.
Now, enough of the warm, fuzzy, group hug bulls#it as it is not in my nature.
I think there is some real merit to this thread. The more procedural, compliance and 'rule book' oriented society becomes the more paperwork required. The upside is that with technological advances a faster solution is required for this exact problem.
I also know accurately that school kids today carry so much school related sh#t in their bags that many younglings are visiting chiro's and physio's for some fairly serious injuries.
As for the VA driver, remember, we all have different body types including strengths and weaknesses. For example one guy may be able to throw around 30 kg bags of cement all day whereas another may be a soft co#k and only able to lift a coffee cup all day. We shouldn't write of this Driver as his claim could be quite legit. Hell I have a mate who is related to a train driver. All the train driver has done for 20 years is push a power lever basically, yet he has had RSI, 2 operations and now hand and wrist arthritis as a result, poor bugger suffers a lot of pain. Yet other Drivers of over 30 years experience haven't had as much as one dose of 'wankers cramp' their entire career! They have been either fortunate or again they have a different body type and are not prone to wrist/hand injuries.
Go figure.
Now, enough of the warm, fuzzy, group hug bulls#it as it is not in my nature.
I think there is some real merit to this thread. The more procedural, compliance and 'rule book' oriented society becomes the more paperwork required. The upside is that with technological advances a faster solution is required for this exact problem.
I also know accurately that school kids today carry so much school related sh#t in their bags that many younglings are visiting chiro's and physio's for some fairly serious injuries.
As for the VA driver, remember, we all have different body types including strengths and weaknesses. For example one guy may be able to throw around 30 kg bags of cement all day whereas another may be a soft co#k and only able to lift a coffee cup all day. We shouldn't write of this Driver as his claim could be quite legit. Hell I have a mate who is related to a train driver. All the train driver has done for 20 years is push a power lever basically, yet he has had RSI, 2 operations and now hand and wrist arthritis as a result, poor bugger suffers a lot of pain. Yet other Drivers of over 30 years experience haven't had as much as one dose of 'wankers cramp' their entire career! They have been either fortunate or again they have a different body type and are not prone to wrist/hand injuries.
Go figure.
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She's a tough old school is PPRune.
Wouldn't this be a compo case, in which case the he has to prove his claim yada yada, or has he lost his medical and it would be insurer suing insurer.
I had a bulged disc once, came out of nowhere was just getting out of the car. I couldn't fly for thirty days.
I have some sympathy for this bloke, back injuries can be a real bastard, no visible symptoms but **** loads of pain.
Wouldn't this be a compo case, in which case the he has to prove his claim yada yada, or has he lost his medical and it would be insurer suing insurer.
I had a bulged disc once, came out of nowhere was just getting out of the car. I couldn't fly for thirty days.
I have some sympathy for this bloke, back injuries can be a real bastard, no visible symptoms but **** loads of pain.
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Remember when OHS was not even a thought?
All I can say is if your cork is too soft you must have been soaking it too long!
I had considered the term 'princesses' instead of 'soft co*k', however that may offend our Jetstar friends, then I considered 'pansies' but that might
offend my gay colleagues. So I then thought of 'skirts' but that could offend the female pruners so I stuck with the 'soft co*k' term, which will likely offend those pruners with a more robust/moral compass than I have. So I guess you can see the quandary I am in, an aging man in a world run by Gates and Zuckerberg!
Bring back the 60's Spike - Free love (condom-no thanks!), free speech, Hendrix, Zepplin and a young Eric Clapton. Add into the mix the VW and XR Falcon, stubbies and thongs in the workplace, no suncreen and to hell with skin cancer, cigarettes without pictures on the packet of rotting flesh, good ol fashioned pub fights with fists and not knives, coppers who would let you off from a speeding offence with just a clip around the ear - no speed camera's, a DCA who regulated by way of face to face, and no Alan Joyce. Hardly a synthetic brain destrying party drug to be found, Throw in commercial jets that guzzled A1 by the gallons/polluted the atmosphere/broke every decibel level in the book and let you feel every shake, shimmy and movement in the stick and rudder, and forget earmuffs or vest on the tarmac, plus you could fly the jet on 2 hours sleep after drinking and bonking hosteis all night (some still do
).........Ok better to stop now!Oh the youth of today, Gen Y, Gen X, Genitals - They won't ever live as free as we did. Was it safe? Probably not, but did we survive - most of us did.
As my friend Kharon would say - Selah.
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Fair enough to feel sorry for someone's pain, but if you can do your back just hopping out of the car it goes to show how tricky it is to say what's the cause of an incident of this type.
You should have sued the car manufacturer for your loss of earnings and the mental and physical anguish you experienced.
Just joking, of course, but how far away is that from the nav bag experience, notwithstanding that that happened in a workplace?
You should have sued the car manufacturer for your loss of earnings and the mental and physical anguish you experienced.
Just joking, of course, but how far away is that from the nav bag experience, notwithstanding that that happened in a workplace?
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You are right, the only thing he has to argue is that it allegedly happened in the work place.
In my case I found that I had a dodgy lower back as a result of many years of swim trianing and surfing. This apparantly has your lower back in an unsupported manner and over the years unless you compliment swimming and surfing with other preventitve exercise it will eventually get you. I just swung my legs to get out of the car and bang i was stuffed, couldn't move, had to get someone to pick me up.
If the guy legitimately hurt himself at work doe to his flight bags then fair enough. I just think it might be hard to prove. Then again lawyers will suck up tens of thousands arguing the point.
It is a reminder to all that along with loss of licence you should buy income protection.
You are right, the only thing he has to argue is that it allegedly happened in the work place.
In my case I found that I had a dodgy lower back as a result of many years of swim trianing and surfing. This apparantly has your lower back in an unsupported manner and over the years unless you compliment swimming and surfing with other preventitve exercise it will eventually get you. I just swung my legs to get out of the car and bang i was stuffed, couldn't move, had to get someone to pick me up.
If the guy legitimately hurt himself at work doe to his flight bags then fair enough. I just think it might be hard to prove. Then again lawyers will suck up tens of thousands arguing the point.
It is a reminder to all that along with loss of licence you should buy income protection.
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Getting your back up........
Interesting to scan through some of the posts on this topic.
I fly for business and pleasure and I am in the busines of advising on personal risk protection (otherwise known as insurance).
Having taken medical histories from hundreds of people over the years, I would say that back and other joint injuries and disorders are very common. This is particularly so in the older age group, 50+ but it isn't uncommon in younger people as well.
The causes can be work related but other factors come into play like certain sports with overuse injury and things like domestic activity, gardening, lifting etc.
I'm not a doctor or physio but I know from personal experience that even sitting for periods of time with incorrect posture can cause back strain and pain. (Cockpit seat ergonomics?)
So whether this individual pilot wins his case remains to be seen but it may be difficult to prove that it related solely to his flying and carrying his bag. You would ned to know his entire medical history and his hobbies, sports etc.
I think adsyj above makes the very valid point though that it's important to have income protection not just for this but all accident and sickness possibilities and without wanting to do any "hard sell" if anyone needs info or help, I have a specific aircrew income protection for anyone needing assistance.
Can contact me direct through PPrune.
I fly for business and pleasure and I am in the busines of advising on personal risk protection (otherwise known as insurance).
Having taken medical histories from hundreds of people over the years, I would say that back and other joint injuries and disorders are very common. This is particularly so in the older age group, 50+ but it isn't uncommon in younger people as well.
The causes can be work related but other factors come into play like certain sports with overuse injury and things like domestic activity, gardening, lifting etc.
I'm not a doctor or physio but I know from personal experience that even sitting for periods of time with incorrect posture can cause back strain and pain. (Cockpit seat ergonomics?)
So whether this individual pilot wins his case remains to be seen but it may be difficult to prove that it related solely to his flying and carrying his bag. You would ned to know his entire medical history and his hobbies, sports etc.
I think adsyj above makes the very valid point though that it's important to have income protection not just for this but all accident and sickness possibilities and without wanting to do any "hard sell" if anyone needs info or help, I have a specific aircrew income protection for anyone needing assistance.
Can contact me direct through PPrune.
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Safety first.
It is a reminder to all that along with loss of licence you should buy income protection.
Likewise, I was brushing my teeth one morning, I was a mere 25 years young. I stood up from the sink and was walking away from the bathroom when my back locked up. I was crippled in pain. No previous back history problems and no previous injury. It took 12 months to get back on track. The technology wasn't around back then that we have today to investigate and identify the problem through MRI and CT scan , but it is now proven that I had torn muscles betweel L4 and L5. My back started playing up again when I turned 40 and is a constant sounce of pain and discomfort today. Root Cause??? No idea. Brushed my teeth and then bit the dirt as a result!
Warning - Where and when you can buy income protection and ensure you report EVERYTHING in the worplace. It is time consuming and sometimes seems pedantic but every tweak, strain, anything in the workplace should be documented, not for the purpose of being a pain in the ass or attempting a rort, but to cover and protect yourself.
Just quickly, true story - I had a nurse friend in central queensland. As a joke somebody at work put some thorn spikes inside her surgical glove (it was a heavy duty specialist type glove, not the standard thin type). Anyway, she spiked herself (ha ha it was all very funny) and ended up with a small sore on her finger so she filled in a workplace incident report, of course she was ridiculed mercilessly over this. Three weeks later her finger swelled up, excruciating pain and she couln't work (her theatre hands are her tools). End result - A microscopic piece of the thorn broke off and lodged in her knucle. She had three operations and has a permanent disabilty in her hand/finger and could never work as a steady handed theatre nurse again. In fact they couldn't/wouldn't retain her or place her in a different role and ended up sacking her. It was her personal work insurance cover that eventually saw her through a period of seveal years unemployment and a payout came down the track. Of course her 'Employer' who was responsible for the entire episode didn't back her and pineappled her instead as they thought she was a liablity. Again, had she not had her own protection she would have had several years of financial grief.
Part of the happy ending is that I married this girl and she is a beautiful woman who went on to bigger and better career heights in the health care world by using her brain instead of her hands!
And one last word of warning. Remember that most forms of personal insurance/income protection only cover a percentage of what you earn, so for example if you earn 200k per year (CASA admin Clerk) you may only get say 75% of that salary (150k), so do your sums and shop around. Some policies only cover you for after you have been out of work for three months and up to a maximum of 2 years etc. Some won't cover you if you have prior injuries or things such as depression. Also some policies won't cover you if you neck yourself, so think of your family. Sounds harsh but a fact.
Stay safe.