Qantas announcement today
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Just curious, AIPA keep crowing about the amount of experience on the QF32 flight deck. Can anyone tell me how much experience was on the flight deck of that 747 that slammed off the end of the runway in Bangkok?
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Probably a fair bit mate, but there's more than one factor at play, as in any accident. One of the large contributing factors to that little soirée was the fact they were required to use only idle reverse thrust. A requirement brought in by some bright spark in management whose focus was not on safety, but on saving money...
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My point was not intended to promote stronger action but rather some balance to the public debate with some informative facts.
The fact that the Rat got live coverage on at least three TV channels and not one that I could find covered AIPA response says it all really. The press don't care and the public are left with Rat spin.
You will probably get a mention in tomorrows press, but the game is over if not addressed immediately. This is 21st century media dynamics and if no one wants to play the game that's fine by me, but not what I would have expected knowing what is at stake for us all.
Good luck.
The fact that the Rat got live coverage on at least three TV channels and not one that I could find covered AIPA response says it all really. The press don't care and the public are left with Rat spin.
You will probably get a mention in tomorrows press, but the game is over if not addressed immediately. This is 21st century media dynamics and if no one wants to play the game that's fine by me, but not what I would have expected knowing what is at stake for us all.
Good luck.
I will bight threecombs by answering: look at the background of the captains in the QF32, the QF30 oxy bottle failure, and the QF72 A330 controllability issue (and the Jetstar A330 problem with the 'Qantas' captain). They all came from backgrounds that, while not perfect in their safety records, invested heavily in the training of their personnel. The Bangkok accident was, IMHO, the result of the poor airmanship of the captain. I believe that core flying skills and airmanship are what will get you out of trouble in that 1:1 000 000 situation. Unfortunately in this new low-cost world with reduced flying requirements, in the future, even though the likelihood of aircraft failures is lower, I believe that there will be hull losses that you would have been expecting the older generation of crew to be able to save, e.g. Air France.
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BJ on ABC earlier and still getting plenty of airtime on ABC 24. Spoke very well and got the required message re company generated lies across, Olivia could learn a lot from his well articulated press conference. Well done Baz.
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And just when you thought it could not get any worse,the govt. is now threatening to intervene. Judging on their past record of not being able to organise a 
in a brothel, this should throw the cat amoungst the pidgeons. Time to find a comfortable chair, get some popcorn and watch it all unfold. Hopefully it will be Employees (one) Qantas (nil).
in a brothel, this should throw the cat amoungst the pidgeons. Time to find a comfortable chair, get some popcorn and watch it all unfold. Hopefully it will be Employees (one) Qantas (nil).
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And who is pushing the government to do this.... Tourism Australia. Have a guess who is chairman of that group. Check out the link but I suggest you sit down.
Tourism Australia - Our Management
Absolutely dispicable.
Tourism Australia - Our Management
Absolutely dispicable.
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So Domestic flights are now having these in flight Pilot announcements hey
747-400, A330 and lots of B767 aircraft fly domestically sometimes even the A380 I believe.
There is no doubt that the industrial action is beginning to hurt QF.
I have a key role in an SME that spends upward of $15K per month on domestic travel typically split 60/40 in QF's favour. Due to the questionable reliability and huge issues in dealing with QF getting refunds etc, not to mention having to pay top dollar when rebooking late in the piece with VA, I today instructed all EA's to book all travel with VA exclusively until further notice unless the travel is to a destination served solely by QF.
I can't imagine I'm the only organisation feeling this frustration and taking action.
I have a key role in an SME that spends upward of $15K per month on domestic travel typically split 60/40 in QF's favour. Due to the questionable reliability and huge issues in dealing with QF getting refunds etc, not to mention having to pay top dollar when rebooking late in the piece with VA, I today instructed all EA's to book all travel with VA exclusively until further notice unless the travel is to a destination served solely by QF.
I can't imagine I'm the only organisation feeling this frustration and taking action.
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the fact they were required to use only idle reverse thrust.
I'm sure that the bright spark in management didn't decree that this configuration of thrust was the standard to be used on a dark rainy night.
I was also told that the PIC changing his mind and landing part the way through a missed approach wasn't standard company policy.
Nunc est bibendum
Guys, QF1, OJH and BKK have been done to death on PPRUNE. Do a search. The ATSB was pretty clear about what mistakes were made and who made them. In the mean time, let's try and keep our eye on the ball.
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just saw this - can Ferguson really do this?
12.36pm: The federal government is threatening to intervene in an industrial dispute at Qantas, warning trade unions they should not set out to damage local industry.
Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson, following his address to an industry conference in Canberra, said the sector's patience was running out with the unions. "The sooner the parties get in a room and sort it out the better," he told reporters. If they did not, the government could require the parties to resolve their issues under the umbrella of the Fair Work Act.
The Act already provided that, in exceptional circumstances, industrial action that had wider implications than for just one business can be suspended or terminated if it threatened significant damage to the economy or to the welfare or safety of the population, Mr Ferguson said.
He described as "un-Australian" comments by Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers association secretary Steve Purvinas urging people to boycott Qantas. They also were a sad reflection of his leadership. "You can have a dispute with employers but there is a responsibility on trade union leaders to never set out to damage Australian industry," Mr Ferguson said.
Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson, following his address to an industry conference in Canberra, said the sector's patience was running out with the unions. "The sooner the parties get in a room and sort it out the better," he told reporters. If they did not, the government could require the parties to resolve their issues under the umbrella of the Fair Work Act.
The Act already provided that, in exceptional circumstances, industrial action that had wider implications than for just one business can be suspended or terminated if it threatened significant damage to the economy or to the welfare or safety of the population, Mr Ferguson said.
He described as "un-Australian" comments by Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers association secretary Steve Purvinas urging people to boycott Qantas. They also were a sad reflection of his leadership. "You can have a dispute with employers but there is a responsibility on trade union leaders to never set out to damage Australian industry," Mr Ferguson said.
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It's all very well to admonish the unions and staff for failing to negotiate but what is the company offer. Withdraw industrial action?
Unfortunately the negotiations have descended into a public slanging match or like a pushing episode in a schoolyard fight. Either both parties shake hands and get back into an adult mindset of working through the issues together or someone should throw a big punch and get it over with..
I'm not particularly happy with the way either party is handling things. There is far too much emphasis on who is winning the media war and not enough emphasis on what ought be negotiated and what is actually available to be negotiated.
Alan Joyce and the board have an absolute obligation to calm the situation and that might actually involve making a suitable compromise in all the circumstances.
Both parties back to the table and get to work. Try being honest. A lot of people's lives depend upon it !!!
GUARD
Unfortunately the negotiations have descended into a public slanging match or like a pushing episode in a schoolyard fight. Either both parties shake hands and get back into an adult mindset of working through the issues together or someone should throw a big punch and get it over with..
I'm not particularly happy with the way either party is handling things. There is far too much emphasis on who is winning the media war and not enough emphasis on what ought be negotiated and what is actually available to be negotiated.
Alan Joyce and the board have an absolute obligation to calm the situation and that might actually involve making a suitable compromise in all the circumstances.
Both parties back to the table and get to work. Try being honest. A lot of people's lives depend upon it !!!
GUARD
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This is a ploy by AJ & Co to paint doom and gloom ,a/c grounding etc etc . If Qantas is doing it though how about the board members lead from the front and take a pay cut.
All this garbage is to get the Fed Gov involved before the AGM and put a stop to the industrial action so that his team will look good in the eyes of the institution share holders.
Do not fall for this
All this garbage is to get the Fed Gov involved before the AGM and put a stop to the industrial action so that his team will look good in the eyes of the institution share holders.
Do not fall for this
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Re GD.
He doesn't miss a trick and he really goes after what he wants. Wasn't he the driver behind Work Choices? and now he appears to be pushing his barrow from behind his Tourism and Aircraft leasing interests.
What do QF want? an army of underpaid, undertrained, poorly treated and expendable slaves all working for a series of cheap as chips LCC's is apparently what.
Should whoever drafted the Qantas sales act have seen this coming?
The media manipulation of this saga is obscene and breathtaking. I can't believe that OUR Federal Government can't/won't see what the game is and demand a positive outcome for Australia and all Australians. What we see happening today is surely the direct result of the rationale behind the push for cross media ownership laws.
Just like the USA our founding fathers saw the whole game and put barriers in place to stop such things from happening, our current politicians of all party's do not have the fortitude or integrity to stand up to corporate greed.
How do they allow Thai cabin crew to be operated point to point within Australia in the first place? forget the slave wages, horrendous hours and severe discipline, how does this happen when the same Government bleats about how bad things are in developing countries and sends our tax dollars abroad as foreign aid whilst turning a blind eye because corporate Australia wants to import and ultimately impose these conditions within this country?
He doesn't miss a trick and he really goes after what he wants. Wasn't he the driver behind Work Choices? and now he appears to be pushing his barrow from behind his Tourism and Aircraft leasing interests.
What do QF want? an army of underpaid, undertrained, poorly treated and expendable slaves all working for a series of cheap as chips LCC's is apparently what.
Should whoever drafted the Qantas sales act have seen this coming?
The media manipulation of this saga is obscene and breathtaking. I can't believe that OUR Federal Government can't/won't see what the game is and demand a positive outcome for Australia and all Australians. What we see happening today is surely the direct result of the rationale behind the push for cross media ownership laws.
Just like the USA our founding fathers saw the whole game and put barriers in place to stop such things from happening, our current politicians of all party's do not have the fortitude or integrity to stand up to corporate greed.
How do they allow Thai cabin crew to be operated point to point within Australia in the first place? forget the slave wages, horrendous hours and severe discipline, how does this happen when the same Government bleats about how bad things are in developing countries and sends our tax dollars abroad as foreign aid whilst turning a blind eye because corporate Australia wants to import and ultimately impose these conditions within this country?
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Hang on, the fed gov can only intervene if industrial action affects more than the company involved, ok. I thought qantas didn't hold any substantial share of international travel, so who's hurt?
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"un-Australian" comments by Australian Licensed Aircraft Engineers association secretary Steve Purvinas urging people to boycott Qantas.
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The federal government is threatening to intervene in an industrial dispute at Qantas, warning trade unions they should not set out to damage local industry.
Thanks to Martin Furgusson for his snide remark on what he believes Qantas ALAEA members earn in the press today. Bet I have more training than him and earn a lot less.
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12.36pm: The federal government is threatening to intervene in an industrial dispute at Qantas, warning trade unions they should not set out to damage local industry.
Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson, following his address to an industry conference in Canberra, said the sector's patience was running out with the unions. "The sooner the parties get in a room and sort it out the better," he told reporters. If they did not, the government could require the parties to resolve their issues under the umbrella of the Fair Work Act.
The Act already provided that, in exceptional circumstances, industrial action that had wider implications than for just one business can be suspended or terminated if it threatened significant damage to the economy or to the welfare or safety of the population, Mr Ferguson said.
Tourism Minister Martin Ferguson, following his address to an industry conference in Canberra, said the sector's patience was running out with the unions. "The sooner the parties get in a room and sort it out the better," he told reporters. If they did not, the government could require the parties to resolve their issues under the umbrella of the Fair Work Act.
The Act already provided that, in exceptional circumstances, industrial action that had wider implications than for just one business can be suspended or terminated if it threatened significant damage to the economy or to the welfare or safety of the population, Mr Ferguson said.
Yes it may work in the short term, but is simply removes the incentive to bear enormous financial risks to become a pilot. Those that were thinking of coming back from overseas will consider this as a major risk. Those considering their options with respect to LWOP/ resignation will now add this their calculus. This could well push many to leave.
Price controls have almost always led to shortages & ultimately higher prices for the commodity that is capped, as producers simply stop producing or take their commodity elsewhere.