Qantas announcement today
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oh one more thing he also mentioned what the Virgin staff are getting,are we all now living in communist Russia and every one should be on the same wage no matter what you do or who you work for.Virgin also made a multi million dollar loss,is that what he is also seeking .
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He is referring to the 'ops' staff that worked on the ramp, not the regulars.
C173 he mentions the ones they are creating not the ones they are getting rid of.
Very careful word choices.
But then he says the legally sanctioned union acts are bully boy tactics (his words in this announcement) but then is saying that bully boy tactics will not be tolerated, yet that is what QF are doing to the pax and making it look like the unions want to do this, cause they have nothing else to do!
He is referring to the 'ops' staff that worked on the ramp, not the regulars.
C173 he mentions the ones they are creating not the ones they are getting rid of.
Very careful word choices.
But then he says the legally sanctioned union acts are bully boy tactics (his words in this announcement) but then is saying that bully boy tactics will not be tolerated, yet that is what QF are doing to the pax and making it look like the unions want to do this, cause they have nothing else to do!
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More highly accurate reporting. 
Some sort of legal action should be taken over this quote. AIPA should be writing to Media Entertainment and Arts Alliance requesting a inquiry and putting some pressure on here. Such reporting is a blatant breach of the AJA's code of ethics. If a Pilot breached the CAR's journilists will be more than happy to point that out in the papers. A journilist blantantly breaches the their codes of ethics and nothing happens.
AJA Code of ethics
1. Report and interpret honestly, striving for accuracy, fairness and disclosure of all essential facts. Do not suppress relevant available facts, or give distorting emphasis. Do your utmost to give a fair opportunity for reply.
show the most senior pilots earn up to $536,000 a year
AJA Code of ethics
1. Report and interpret honestly, striving for accuracy, fairness and disclosure of all essential facts. Do not suppress relevant available facts, or give distorting emphasis. Do your utmost to give a fair opportunity for reply.
Qantas pilots paid more than Gillard
October 13, 2011 - 9:15AM
Qantas pilots are planning a shareholder revolt even though senior captains earn more than the prime minister. Figures obtained by News Ltd show the most senior pilots earn up to $536,000 a year. This is more than Prime Minister Julia Gillard's base salary of $366,000. Last year, some pilots received average pay rises of up to 17 per cent or $45,000, News Ltd said. The leaked figures also showed that even a second officer on an A330 gets almost $150,000 on average and starts on more than $110,000 a year. The revelations come as the Australian and International Pilots Association plans a shareholder revolt against management decisions. The union's president Captain Barry Jackson said the pay of Qantas pilots was around the middle of international pay rates and was far less then chief executive Alan Joyce's $5 million salary. Qantas faces more strife on Thursday from baggage handlers and cabin crew. Transport Workers' Union members are striking in two-hour blocks at capital city and regional airports, beginning in Adelaide at 5am (CDT) and finishing at 8pm (AEDT) in Canberra as MPs try to leave the national capital.
Read more: Industrial dispute | Qantas pilots paid more than PM Julia Gillard
October 13, 2011 - 9:15AM
Qantas pilots are planning a shareholder revolt even though senior captains earn more than the prime minister. Figures obtained by News Ltd show the most senior pilots earn up to $536,000 a year. This is more than Prime Minister Julia Gillard's base salary of $366,000. Last year, some pilots received average pay rises of up to 17 per cent or $45,000, News Ltd said. The leaked figures also showed that even a second officer on an A330 gets almost $150,000 on average and starts on more than $110,000 a year. The revelations come as the Australian and International Pilots Association plans a shareholder revolt against management decisions. The union's president Captain Barry Jackson said the pay of Qantas pilots was around the middle of international pay rates and was far less then chief executive Alan Joyce's $5 million salary. Qantas faces more strife on Thursday from baggage handlers and cabin crew. Transport Workers' Union members are striking in two-hour blocks at capital city and regional airports, beginning in Adelaide at 5am (CDT) and finishing at 8pm (AEDT) in Canberra as MPs try to leave the national capital.
Read more: Industrial dispute | Qantas pilots paid more than PM Julia Gillard
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Emotionally Laden Nonsense
The only thing that Joyce didnt do was burst into tears.
He has taken a pay cut as has most of EXco
He has presided over an airline that has generated profit over the last consecutive 8 years
He has turned around the domestic operation
Qantas is the only airline in the world to still have a triple AAA rating
These three rogue unions are attempting some sort of corporate coup.
Not one Australian job will be lost with the new subsidiary being established off shore.
All of the above is unsubstantiated guff.
The reality is that the union efforts are working.
Keep it up gentleman.This conference indicates that EXco have no idea how to deal with this current enviornment.
Thank God we were spared an appearance by OW
He has taken a pay cut as has most of EXco
He has presided over an airline that has generated profit over the last consecutive 8 years
He has turned around the domestic operation
Qantas is the only airline in the world to still have a triple AAA rating
These three rogue unions are attempting some sort of corporate coup.
Not one Australian job will be lost with the new subsidiary being established off shore.
All of the above is unsubstantiated guff.
The reality is that the union efforts are working.
Keep it up gentleman.This conference indicates that EXco have no idea how to deal with this current enviornment.
Thank God we were spared an appearance by OW
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Re A/C grounding
Channel 9 has been reporting grounding is 4/747 and 1/767. This is at variance from previous postings of 4/737s which I would presume are the old clapped out 734s that QF, thanks to the LAMES have been able to keep in the air.
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Funny.
Did he say that they are now 12% short on maintenance manpower because they are working to rule and not doing overtime.
So he has just said straight out that if their workforce works to the rules of it's contract then they have mismanaged their workforce and don't have enough staff. That they rely on the good faith of it's employees to keep it's aircraft in the air and cover their incompetence.
Did he also not say that pilots are abusing their power by making political messages on pa's. Err so what did you do today aj.
Did he not say that moving to Asia would not cost a single job. So why the redundancies?
Did he also refer to qantas pilots wanting jetstar conditions to change? Err this is impossible under IR legislation.
This guy has no idea!
Did he say that they are now 12% short on maintenance manpower because they are working to rule and not doing overtime.
So he has just said straight out that if their workforce works to the rules of it's contract then they have mismanaged their workforce and don't have enough staff. That they rely on the good faith of it's employees to keep it's aircraft in the air and cover their incompetence.
Did he also not say that pilots are abusing their power by making political messages on pa's. Err so what did you do today aj.
Did he not say that moving to Asia would not cost a single job. So why the redundancies?
Did he also refer to qantas pilots wanting jetstar conditions to change? Err this is impossible under IR legislation.
This guy has no idea!
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There will be an AIPA press conference at 1200.
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If you think comments on news sites are representative of the general public, you're dreaming. I'll stick with the objective polling that AIPA does regularly with large sample sizes for now.
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Its only been 2 weeks of OT bans and its already biting..History repeating itself!!
If AJ and co concentrated on investing and pushing the International Ops like they are handsomely paid to do,instead of supplementing Jetstar and whinging about some unions, we won't be in this ****e!..I see full J and Y cabins everyday on international ops..and we're not making money? - my arse!!
Its time the Fund managers wake up to what is going on and vote this management team OUT!!.
Unfortunately their answer to competition is to sack 1000 staff,blame everyone but themselves and pack up and head for Asia.
Clearly they have no idea how too react..
If only Fyfe was available!!!
If AJ and co concentrated on investing and pushing the International Ops like they are handsomely paid to do,instead of supplementing Jetstar and whinging about some unions, we won't be in this ****e!..I see full J and Y cabins everyday on international ops..and we're not making money? - my arse!!
Its time the Fund managers wake up to what is going on and vote this management team OUT!!.
Unfortunately their answer to competition is to sack 1000 staff,blame everyone but themselves and pack up and head for Asia.
Clearly they have no idea how too react..
If only Fyfe was available!!!
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I'll stick with the objective polling that AIPA does regularly with large sample sizes for now.
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'Australian Tourism Export Councils' press conference
Fronted by guess who....GD.
AIPA have been totally starved of oxygen and the Rat wins again. Not one TV news coverage of any response.
Sorry guys, this game is over in the PR arena and you have been completely routed.Then again, some dont seem to think this is important, so good luck in wherever you are going from here.
The Rat also went to some lengths to tarnish all three unions with the same brush, so that was hardly coincidental whilst repeating the wages claim issues.
Fronted by guess who....GD.
AIPA have been totally starved of oxygen and the Rat wins again. Not one TV news coverage of any response.
Sorry guys, this game is over in the PR arena and you have been completely routed.Then again, some dont seem to think this is important, so good luck in wherever you are going from here.
The Rat also went to some lengths to tarnish all three unions with the same brush, so that was hardly coincidental whilst repeating the wages claim issues.
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Who cares about the PR game.
Public Perception will not:
* stop the unions using their PIA and giving the company reason to really negotiate,
* cause pilots, engineers or ground staff to accept a ****e EBA.
Sure, play the PR game, the pilots, engineers and ground staff will only lose if they sign a ****e EBA.
It is just a matter of time, stand together, you might lose the occasional battle, but make sure you win the war.
Public Perception will not:
* stop the unions using their PIA and giving the company reason to really negotiate,
* cause pilots, engineers or ground staff to accept a ****e EBA.
Sure, play the PR game, the pilots, engineers and ground staff will only lose if they sign a ****e EBA.
It is just a matter of time, stand together, you might lose the occasional battle, but make sure you win the war.
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"AIPA have been totally starved of oxygen and the Rat wins again. Not one TV news coverage of any response"
Well given that the AIPA press conference finished about 4 minutes ago, I'd be surpirised if that wasn't the case.
I know there are people on here who are doing their best to push AIPA into taking stronger action as soon as possible. They should relaise that it is not going to work.
Well given that the AIPA press conference finished about 4 minutes ago, I'd be surpirised if that wasn't the case.
I know there are people on here who are doing their best to push AIPA into taking stronger action as soon as possible. They should relaise that it is not going to work.
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announcement
"Between the three unions we are seeing almost daily strikes, bans on overtime, political messages being read out to customers on international and domestic flights and union leaders telling passengers to expect disruptions for many months to come, " Mr Joyce said.
