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House of Representatives Standing Committee of Privileges: Members' Interests statements
You will be amazed by the amount of times QANTAS is mentioned just pick a name its a free for all.
You will be amazed by the amount of times QANTAS is mentioned just pick a name its a free for all.
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We know that Coward St is telling porkie pies but how do we disseminate this to the media.
Lets go back in recent history for a minute, April 4 2011
Fleet for sale as Qantas cuts flights
Surprise surprise…… only 11 more 738’s delivered from April.
Ok now lets see whats come since then
-VZL 34194 delivered 22/4/11
-VZM 34192 delivered 14/5/11
-VZO 34191 delivered 9/7/11
-VZP 39362 delivered 23/7/11
-VZR 34193 delivered 31/8/11
-VZS 39358 delivered 15/9/11
Since the announcement…..
-VZT 34186 delivered 15/10/11
Next that are due in the next couple months.
-VZU 34187
-VUV 34189
So we are parking 4 737-400 and have a planned (or actual) delivery of 3 737-800
And that leaves 2 more to be delivered in 2011 as per the smh article that was obviously produced from QF PR.
So what is it Alan? We are parking planes that were scheduled to be replaced anyway….
Ohhh those bad engineers that are forcing us to do this……… (thanks Oliva)
This is all open source information, all it takes is a little investigation…. But the media don’t do that anymore.
Lets go back in recent history for a minute, April 4 2011
Fleet for sale as Qantas cuts flights
Surprise surprise…… only 11 more 738’s delivered from April.
Ok now lets see whats come since then
-VZL 34194 delivered 22/4/11
-VZM 34192 delivered 14/5/11
-VZO 34191 delivered 9/7/11
-VZP 39362 delivered 23/7/11
-VZR 34193 delivered 31/8/11
-VZS 39358 delivered 15/9/11
Since the announcement…..
-VZT 34186 delivered 15/10/11
Next that are due in the next couple months.
-VZU 34187
-VUV 34189
So we are parking 4 737-400 and have a planned (or actual) delivery of 3 737-800
And that leaves 2 more to be delivered in 2011 as per the smh article that was obviously produced from QF PR.
So what is it Alan? We are parking planes that were scheduled to be replaced anyway….
Ohhh those bad engineers that are forcing us to do this……… (thanks Oliva)
This is all open source information, all it takes is a little investigation…. But the media don’t do that anymore.
Fleet Developments
By contrast check out Nick X's or Bob Brown's declarations over on the Senate's website. Although you may not agree with all the politics peddled by these men what you see is what you get!
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Boeings Orders and Deliveries
Deliveries April 2011 through September 2011
Customer Name Country Region Model Engine Delivery Date
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 22-Apr-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 13-May-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 22-Jun-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 07-Jul-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 22-Jul-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 17-Aug-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 30-Aug-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 12-Sep-2011
Total 8
Customer: QAN
Model: 737
737-838 added to Australian civil aircraft register 2011
Deliveries April 2011 through September 2011
Customer Name Country Region Model Engine Delivery Date
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 22-Apr-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 13-May-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 22-Jun-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 07-Jul-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 22-Jul-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 17-Aug-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 30-Aug-2011
Qantas AUSTRALIA Oceania 737-800 CF 12-Sep-2011
Total 8
Customer: QAN
Model: 737
737-838 added to Australian civil aircraft register 2011
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“Competence. Integrity. Peace of Mind.”
Traits only found at QF? Are you sure?
“You should be aware that the labour force used in some Asian businesses is Three times the size of an equivalent Australian workforce, which negates the cost advantage.”
I am aware of this. I am also aware that in some locations in Asia and South America, the labor force is greater than 3 times the size and yet still represents a considerable savings to the business.
“The chances of the Chinese diligently and reliably following the exact tenets of an Airbus or Boeing maintenance manual are non existent.”
Really? Then please don’t step onboard CX,SQ,MH,TG,EK,KA,LH,UA,CO aircraft then.
“Of course the first people to find that out will be some poor passengers when the rear pressure bulkhead fails at 30,000 feet and kills the lot of them.”
Interesting example. The last time this occurred as far as I know was when TWO SWA 737’s ripped apart in flight resulting in huge fines for the airline as a result of cutting corners in maintenance. Are you prepared to level your “diligence and reliability” accusation at the Americans too? Or is it just reserved for folk that don’t look like we do?
“pulling work out of China and Asia”
Perhaps you could provide an example of where industry is migrating production back to a high cost western country or where an airline is relocating maintenance away from Asia and back to the west?
“They couldn't read any English, had to have their Leading Hand interpret for them (hid them when FAA did an audit) and payed them $6.00/hour.
How do you compete with that!”
You don’t.
“Fact - Qf engineers actually earn less than their VB counterparts. Even JQ engineers earn more than like licenced QF engineers. Professor of bullsh!t.”
The cost of engineering to the QF business is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than ANY other airline business in Australia.
Traits only found at QF? Are you sure?
“You should be aware that the labour force used in some Asian businesses is Three times the size of an equivalent Australian workforce, which negates the cost advantage.”
I am aware of this. I am also aware that in some locations in Asia and South America, the labor force is greater than 3 times the size and yet still represents a considerable savings to the business.
“The chances of the Chinese diligently and reliably following the exact tenets of an Airbus or Boeing maintenance manual are non existent.”
Really? Then please don’t step onboard CX,SQ,MH,TG,EK,KA,LH,UA,CO aircraft then.
“Of course the first people to find that out will be some poor passengers when the rear pressure bulkhead fails at 30,000 feet and kills the lot of them.”
Interesting example. The last time this occurred as far as I know was when TWO SWA 737’s ripped apart in flight resulting in huge fines for the airline as a result of cutting corners in maintenance. Are you prepared to level your “diligence and reliability” accusation at the Americans too? Or is it just reserved for folk that don’t look like we do?
“pulling work out of China and Asia”
Perhaps you could provide an example of where industry is migrating production back to a high cost western country or where an airline is relocating maintenance away from Asia and back to the west?
“They couldn't read any English, had to have their Leading Hand interpret for them (hid them when FAA did an audit) and payed them $6.00/hour.
How do you compete with that!”
You don’t.
“Fact - Qf engineers actually earn less than their VB counterparts. Even JQ engineers earn more than like licenced QF engineers. Professor of bullsh!t.”
The cost of engineering to the QF business is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than ANY other airline business in Australia.
To answer your comments.
- On the subject of Chinese diligence, reliability, trustworthiness, etc.
For starters CX, SQ, MH etc. are Asian Airlines and being Asian they know about Asian Culture and most especially they know how to supervise to ensure that they get what they pay for.
Qantas is not Asian and it lacks the skills and capability to ensure that it gets value for money in an Asian setting. You need skill sets, relationship building skills, etc. etc. which are expensive to acquire. You do not just turn up at the door and say hey! Fix this!
The Chinese have many virtues, frugality, hard work and so on. The quality of their workmanship in the textiles we once imported was better than the Japanese or Swiss. However the Chinese, like Westerners have their own set of failings (yes, including sounding like pompous prick at times), and one of them is to cut corners to save money when they think no one is watching or no one will care. They also don't have a sense of corporate responsibility like the Japanese, there is little loyalty outside the immediate family. This is how we got the melamine in baby formula scandal.
Even if you understand all that and know how to compensate for it, you have to get up very early in the morning to obtain value in Asia - it is a graveyard of Western companies that didn't take the time and trouble to do their homework.
To put that another way, where are the Asian Board members? How many mandarin speaking managers does Qantas have? How many years have they planned this great leap forward? You should have been planning this for Ten years or more and building the necessary relationships for at least that long. You do not get up one morning and say Hey! Lets do business in Asia!
Regarding "re-industrialisation" that is what analysts are already talking about in private forums that I occasionally frequent. It will be brought about by the financial chaos that is shortly to engulf the world as well as high levels of unemployment. This is also why there is pressure on China to allow the Yuan to float. The pressure for it to start happening will build until it is irresistible around 2014.
As for catastrophic structural failure I was thinking of JAL 123.
- On the subject of Chinese diligence, reliability, trustworthiness, etc.
For starters CX, SQ, MH etc. are Asian Airlines and being Asian they know about Asian Culture and most especially they know how to supervise to ensure that they get what they pay for.
Qantas is not Asian and it lacks the skills and capability to ensure that it gets value for money in an Asian setting. You need skill sets, relationship building skills, etc. etc. which are expensive to acquire. You do not just turn up at the door and say hey! Fix this!
The Chinese have many virtues, frugality, hard work and so on. The quality of their workmanship in the textiles we once imported was better than the Japanese or Swiss. However the Chinese, like Westerners have their own set of failings (yes, including sounding like pompous prick at times), and one of them is to cut corners to save money when they think no one is watching or no one will care. They also don't have a sense of corporate responsibility like the Japanese, there is little loyalty outside the immediate family. This is how we got the melamine in baby formula scandal.
Even if you understand all that and know how to compensate for it, you have to get up very early in the morning to obtain value in Asia - it is a graveyard of Western companies that didn't take the time and trouble to do their homework.
To put that another way, where are the Asian Board members? How many mandarin speaking managers does Qantas have? How many years have they planned this great leap forward? You should have been planning this for Ten years or more and building the necessary relationships for at least that long. You do not get up one morning and say Hey! Lets do business in Asia!
Regarding "re-industrialisation" that is what analysts are already talking about in private forums that I occasionally frequent. It will be brought about by the financial chaos that is shortly to engulf the world as well as high levels of unemployment. This is also why there is pressure on China to allow the Yuan to float. The pressure for it to start happening will build until it is irresistible around 2014.
As for catastrophic structural failure I was thinking of JAL 123.
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...as well as high levels of unemployment.
Interesting stuff about doing business in Asia.
The cost of engineering to the QF business is SIGNIFICANTLY higher than ANY other airline business in Australia.
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Again Sunfish is on the money.
Similarly, when developing an Asian business it is less than prudent to be quoted suggesting that you will exploit the opportunities arising in the Asian market or remarking how much Australia will benefit when the inevitable profits are repatriated back to Australia.
You should have been planning this for Ten years or more and building the necessary relationships for at least that long. You do not get up one morning and say Hey! Lets do business in Asia!
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When are you people going to wake up. Qantas is no longer owned by the Australian public. Hasn't been for 19 years. It is now a company listed on the ASX and is owned by the shareholders. The shareholders determine what is happening with Qantas. If any of you who are long on the words regarding what Qantas is or is not doing, then your entitlement to determine whether that is the correct or incorrect path is determined by the ratio of the shares that you own to the total number of Qantas shares listed.
Insomniacs like Sunfish, Worrals, & TIMA9X and others who have regular sleep patterns and are regular contributors to the destiny of Qantas argument, why all the noise re Qantas and yet you are silent re Bluescope, Pacific Brands, Rio Alcan and many other companies doing the same or similar thing ie they are managing their company to keep it profitable. Unfortunately sometimes that means changing the way things are which in turn is not popular with the incumbent workers.
Insomniacs like Sunfish, Worrals, & TIMA9X and others who have regular sleep patterns and are regular contributors to the destiny of Qantas argument, why all the noise re Qantas and yet you are silent re Bluescope, Pacific Brands, Rio Alcan and many other companies doing the same or similar thing ie they are managing their company to keep it profitable. Unfortunately sometimes that means changing the way things are which in turn is not popular with the incumbent workers.
Qantas is no longer owned by the Australian public. Hasn't been for 19 years.
Qantas is no longer owned by the Australian public. Hasn't been for 19 years.
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Hey fat mike, what was the intent of the sales act again?
losses in Pac Brand since off-shoring
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Insomniacs like Sunfish, Worrals, & TIMA9X and others who have regular sleep patterns and are regular contributors to the destiny of Qantas argument, why all the noise re Qantas and yet you are silent re Bluescope, Pacific Brands, Rio Alcan and many other companies...
I'm entitled to an opinion and as long as it's not defamatory (and the mods approve) I'm entitled to post it. If you don't like it... you're entitled not to read it.
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I'm both a Qantas employee (with the long-service badge to prove it) and a Qantas shareholder.
Many of those commenters you mention are accurately reflecting the views of many employees and shareholders.
The exception is the very large corporate shareholders, who quite frankly couldn't give a toss about any direction at all as long as Qantas makes them money, or promises to make them money even when it's not actually doing so. It's like the stockbroker who recently caused a storm in the UK when interviewed on the BBC. He loves meltdowns and recessions in which people lose their homes and entire life savings, because he can make money out of it. The carnage and misery leftover doesn't bother him in the slightest, as long as his money is in the bank. He then moves onto the next project.
Big institutional investors loved HIH. They adored WorldCom and hero-worshipped the directors of Enron. Right up to the very last second where they lost everything.
The list goes on and on. That's what modern-day business reality has become, fatmike. I occasionally wonder what goes on inside the heads of big institutional investors, if it's anything decipherable at all.
Many of those commenters you mention are accurately reflecting the views of many employees and shareholders.
The exception is the very large corporate shareholders, who quite frankly couldn't give a toss about any direction at all as long as Qantas makes them money, or promises to make them money even when it's not actually doing so. It's like the stockbroker who recently caused a storm in the UK when interviewed on the BBC. He loves meltdowns and recessions in which people lose their homes and entire life savings, because he can make money out of it. The carnage and misery leftover doesn't bother him in the slightest, as long as his money is in the bank. He then moves onto the next project.
Big institutional investors loved HIH. They adored WorldCom and hero-worshipped the directors of Enron. Right up to the very last second where they lost everything.
The list goes on and on. That's what modern-day business reality has become, fatmike. I occasionally wonder what goes on inside the heads of big institutional investors, if it's anything decipherable at all.
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The shareholders determine what is happening with Qantas.
Shareholders are a nuisance, interfering with how the board run the thiefdom.
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The shareholders met the legal requirement to get a no-confidence motion included with the AGM papers. The board vetoed it - against the expressed wishes of shareholders.
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