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Old 11th Jul 2011, 05:16
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QF Pilots PIA

Results according to AIPA Comms

89% of eligible papers returned.

94% YES vote.

It's better to die on your feet than live on your knees.

Sad day for Australian aviation when it has to come to this.
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 05:20
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That is a great result, stick together guys (and gals) and I sincerely wish you all the best with your negotiations.
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AIPA Media Release

Qantas pilots vote to take industrial action in historic ballot

Qantas pilots have, for the first time since 1966, voted to take protected industrial action in pursuit of a Qantas flight/Qantas pilot clause in the new enterprise agreement.

89% of pilots eligible voted in the ballot, with 94% voting to take protected industrial action as a means of applying pressure to management to come to the table and negotiate on how to achieve the clause.

Australian and International Pilots Association President Barry Jackson said pilots will now decide on what form of Protected Industrial Action they will take.
“Qantas pilots dedicate their careers to looking after Qantas passengers, so naturally we will be doing everything possible to minimise disruption to travellers and focus the pressure on management,” Captain Jackson said.

“However, the historic nature of this vote proves just how critical a point we have reached. We believe and the public believes that when you board a Qantas flight you are entitled to a Qantas pilot in the cockpit.

“That’s part of the deal when you fly Qantas. You expect the world-leading safety culture of Australian Qantas pilots. “Yet we now have a CEO who believes you can substitute Australian Qantas pilots with outsourced and offshore alternatives without doing damage to the brand. He’s dead wrong.

“The key point of differentiation Qantas has as a brand is its Australian safety culture, built over 90 years.

“That’s what this dispute is all about. Qantas pilots want to continue operating Qantas flights, but they know management has plans to shift Qantas operations to Asia and start mass outsourcing.

“As a result, AIPA is insisting on a Qantas flight/Qantas pilot clause in the new enterprise agreement. Our members need to know that if a Qantas flight is operating, then there will be a Qantas pilot at the controls.

“It’s important for Qantas pilots, but it’s also important for Qantas passengers. We understand that the company needs to adapt and evolve to stay profitable, but outsourcing the jobs of impeccably-trained and experienced Australian pilots isn’t a smart way to do it.

“Qantas pilots remain fully willing to negotiate on what needs to be done to achieve a Qantas flight/Qantas pilot clause, and we urge management to come to the table and talk about how we can work together to take this great airline forward.”
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 05:23
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how do you like them apples AJ
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 05:27
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I doubt AJ will be replying with a quote from LUKE 23:34.
Probably something more akin to what the spider said to the fly.
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 05:48
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From the ABC

Qantas pilots vote for industrial action - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

How's that messaging going?

Qantas pilots have agreed to take industrial action for the first time in 45 years.
A ballot for protected action was sent to long-haul pilots a couple of weeks ago and today the result has come back with a big yes.
With three-quarters of the pilots' votes counted by the Australian Electoral Commission, 94 per cent have responded in favour of taking action.
After months of negotiations pilots are angry the airline's management have failed to guarantee that Qantas flights will always be crewed by Qantas pilots.
The pilots are promising an industrial campaign including work to rule and potentially strike action.
Barry Jackson, from the pilots' union, says Qantas management is determined to move its international operations offshore.
"Qantas pilots feel very strongly about where the airline is at the moment," he said before the vote was taken.
"Qantas pilots have been very honest and honourable in their intent, certainly [in] their operation of the airline, and for them to be fired up as they are, I think the result will be a fairly strong one."
Qantas says the union is demanding pay increases and free flights on top of already heavily discounted airfares.
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 05:54
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"There's no-one I'd rather have at the controls, than a Qantas pilot".

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Old 11th Jul 2011, 06:00
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Overwhelming numbers. Even in EBA votes, they are never that high. In pure statistics, approximately 1780 out of 2000 voted, and of those 1673 said yes.

That is ostounding, and outstanding, and shows the true level of anger amongst the guys!

Well done fellas! Now play the PR game carefully, let Australia know what this management are doing to OUR airline!
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 06:00
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Time for AJ and the Board to realize the pilots and other employees will not stand to see their jobs and the company "Spirited from Australia"
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 06:04
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And despite the fact that QF will keep saying they want to negotiate they have apparently cancelled EA meetings for Wed/Thurs.
Like that will help their cause!
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 06:14
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Congratulations! Great result.

All Qantas LAMEs support your campaign -100%.
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 06:30
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There's no-one I'd rather have at the controls, than a Qantas pilot
As much as I cringe every time I hear it, I think the majority agree!
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 06:31
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Actual numbers

Here's a link to the PIA ballot

http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/indu...a_20112918.pdf
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 07:01
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I was hoping for good, convincing, crystal clear results, but even I didn't think the numbers would be that high!

Massive kick in the guts for Alan Joyce, and a serious bitch-slap for the Chief Pilot who has been going around saying that he didn't think pilots really wanted to take industrial action.

Who is living in cloud-cuckoo land now?
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 07:16
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Spot on Dutchroll.

The CP stated the pilot group couldn't take an "eachway" bet, so they have returned a clear indication who they favour will look after their best interests.
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 07:40
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So I just hope the Midget and his management "team" are ready to make friends with pain and suffering!!!

Great effort Boys and Girls time to stick together and not let those on "cloud cuckoo land" taking away OUR careers and offshoring OUR airline!

By the way AJ if your love asia so much why don't you do us all a favour and F%$# Off there and take the Board and your "team" with you.... and let someone who cares about Qantas and it employees take control
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 07:40
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Actually the chief pilot was correct that most pilots don't want industrial action.

However we are forced into it by crazy managers!

It is war as far as I am concerned!

Hopefully we can convince the public, shareholders and managers that we deserve to be here doing the job as JT says on the pre-flight brief!
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 08:00
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There is ample evidence of atrocious management practices over at least the last 10 years. There is evidence of (and proven) illegal activity at the highest levels of the company. They are nothing but piglets feeding on the teat of hard working and highly (most?) ethical workforce available in Australia - but please show great caution with comments that could well be viewed, misinterpreted and presented to the press by the company that pays the wages of the TV stations by that wonderful lady of the skies - Olivia Worth and her lawyers....
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Old 11th Jul 2011, 08:03
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quick call in brian mccarthy...he'll help you win..
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Brian Who?????
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