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Excellent result people.
Now, be smart,be strong , be patient.
Do not be drawn to react emotionally by the lies that will be told about you, your conditions wages and PIA demands. There will be a public PR battle.
Qantas management are on the back foot in a number of ways. You have that on your side. As a profession you guys are trusted. use it wisely.
Now, be smart,be strong , be patient.
Do not be drawn to react emotionally by the lies that will be told about you, your conditions wages and PIA demands. There will be a public PR battle.
Qantas management are on the back foot in a number of ways. You have that on your side. As a profession you guys are trusted. use it wisely.
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Is it time for the union to drop the staff travel
benefits from the negotiations....?
Qantas use this against us all the time in terms of 25% pay rise etc, this will kill all their pathetic media spin that we are asking for something we are not. It will put the focus purely onto the job security claim which is vital.
Then the headlines will read: Qantas Management, epic fail.
benefits from the negotiations....?
Qantas use this against us all the time in terms of 25% pay rise etc, this will kill all their pathetic media spin that we are asking for something we are not. It will put the focus purely onto the job security claim which is vital.
Then the headlines will read: Qantas Management, epic fail.
I wonder if Dixon is sitting in his pub in Wagga listening to the news and still referring to us as softcocks?
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guys,
Dixon gave the hospital handpass to that little irish wimp.
On the end of most transactions is Dixon. The little wimp and right wing mate Clifford are behind it. Joyce is small enough to be a puppet and that is all he is. Time will show that the extreme right wing have tied one last time to raid the chicken coop.
Dixon gave the hospital handpass to that little irish wimp.
On the end of most transactions is Dixon. The little wimp and right wing mate Clifford are behind it. Joyce is small enough to be a puppet and that is all he is. Time will show that the extreme right wing have tied one last time to raid the chicken coop.
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What was the angle?
The question has to be asked.
With the vote on PIA due in today what in hell were QF up to with the FSO regarding the LWOP with EK?
Are they trying to sew a seed in the minds of the disgruntled pilots so they simply give up and leave? Thereby forfeiting the redundancy about to come there way...
They were up to something - no doubt.
What?
With the vote on PIA due in today what in hell were QF up to with the FSO regarding the LWOP with EK?
Are they trying to sew a seed in the minds of the disgruntled pilots so they simply give up and leave? Thereby forfeiting the redundancy about to come there way...
They were up to something - no doubt.
What?
The seeds Dixon spent so long sowing have started sprouting everywhere now, just in time for his protege AJ to wonder wtf he's done in accepting this prestigious top job.
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I'll bite.
I think it was a genuine attempt by flight ops to manage the surplus they've got. At the moment the surplus is around the 100 mark. It's likely to get worse after 24th August.
I don't think the pilot managers want redundancies. I'll give them that much.
The fact the lwop has turned in to the abortion that it has, however, speaks volumes about the competency of those involved. You make sure a deal like this is 100% ironclad before you go public. A bit like the east Timor/ Malaysia refugee deals alluded to elsewhere.
I think it was a genuine attempt by flight ops to manage the surplus they've got. At the moment the surplus is around the 100 mark. It's likely to get worse after 24th August.
I don't think the pilot managers want redundancies. I'll give them that much.
The fact the lwop has turned in to the abortion that it has, however, speaks volumes about the competency of those involved. You make sure a deal like this is 100% ironclad before you go public. A bit like the east Timor/ Malaysia refugee deals alluded to elsewhere.
The way I found out about this was on the hourly news on the radio.
'Qantas pilots voted to strike, first time in x years etc. Pilots are concerned about job security, outsourcing and offshoring. *Short sound grab of Barry Jackson*.'
No mention of payrise or staff travel or anything like that, just the big points. Good start imo.
'Qantas pilots voted to strike, first time in x years etc. Pilots are concerned about job security, outsourcing and offshoring. *Short sound grab of Barry Jackson*.'
No mention of payrise or staff travel or anything like that, just the big points. Good start imo.
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I'd agree of there wasn't such a solid record of QF showing contempt for its mainline pilots.
All seems very coincidental.
I feel bad for the guys trying to sort out their future. Times are tough in that department.
All seems very coincidental.
I feel bad for the guys trying to sort out their future. Times are tough in that department.
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Well done guys......
As above, well done !!
You guys take Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
We'll take Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, and split the Sundays with you !
Guess we'll have to figure out the bases too...
Monday...Pilots / Sydney
Tuesday..LAMEs / Melbourne
Wednesday..Pilots / Brisbane
Thursday..LAMEs / Adelaide
Friday..Pilots / Canberra
Saturday..LAMEs / Perth
Sundays..Pilots & LAMEs rotation / All other outstations
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You guys take Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays.
We'll take Tuesdays, Thursdays and Saturdays, and split the Sundays with you !
Guess we'll have to figure out the bases too...
Monday...Pilots / Sydney
Tuesday..LAMEs / Melbourne
Wednesday..Pilots / Brisbane
Thursday..LAMEs / Adelaide
Friday..Pilots / Canberra
Saturday..LAMEs / Perth
Sundays..Pilots & LAMEs rotation / All other outstations
ST
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Todays Creedy article in the OZ
QANTAS long-haul pilots are next week set to take their first industrial action in more than four decades after overwhelmingly backing options that include 48-hour rolling stoppages.
Ninety-four per cent of pilots taking part in the ballot voted in favour of taking protected industrial action.
Officials said the vote sent a message to management about the level of pilot support for the pilots association's job security claims.
Australian and International Pilots Association vice-president Richard Woodward would not reveal what action the union was planning, but said it would be obvious to passengers and the union would attempt to minimise disruptions.
"We can't promise that, of course, because other unions are upset with company as well," he said. "But the stuff we initiate, certainly in the initial phases, we'll do our very best to minimise any disruptions to passengers."
Related Coverage
Qantas pilots in offshore strikes Courier Mail, 7 hours ago
Pilot storm looms for Qantas, travellers Courier Mail, 7 hours ago
Qantas pilots demand more security The Daily Telegraph, 7 hours ago
Qantas puts cost of pay claim at $317m The Australian, 26 May 2011
Pilots confident over strike ballot The Australian, 25 May 2011
Asked whether a 48-hour stoppage was a possibility, he said the union had to exercise the option within 30 days. "That could be two pilots taking five minutes' stop-work action or it could be the entire pilot body stopping for 48 hours, or anything in between."
Captain Woodward said the union was willing to defer action and seek an extension from Fair Work Australia if Qantas management was willing to enter meaningful negotiations.
Talks have stalled over pay claims and a job security clause that stipulates Qantas-coded flights be flown by Qantas pilots.
Captain Woodward said the pilots had offered an 11 per cent increase in flying hours and rostering efficiencies that would let an already significant pilot surplus almost double.
He said the pilots wanted to see the surplus absorbed into other parts of the group and criticised a company move to let surplus pilots take leave without pay to work for Emirates.
Qantas said it was disappointed by the threat and was prepared to negotiate reasonable increases in pay and conditions, but the demands from the union were " excessive and unsustainable".
"The pilots' union is demanding pay increases, free flights on top of already heavily discounted airfares and a requirement that pilots on all Qantas airlines, including Jetstar, are paid the same high rates as Qantas pilots," it said. "Paying Qantas rates to pilots for our low-cost carrier Jetstar would drive up ticket prices, make Jetstar unprofitable and set precedents for other staff salaries."
Ninety-four per cent of pilots taking part in the ballot voted in favour of taking protected industrial action.
Officials said the vote sent a message to management about the level of pilot support for the pilots association's job security claims.
Australian and International Pilots Association vice-president Richard Woodward would not reveal what action the union was planning, but said it would be obvious to passengers and the union would attempt to minimise disruptions.
"We can't promise that, of course, because other unions are upset with company as well," he said. "But the stuff we initiate, certainly in the initial phases, we'll do our very best to minimise any disruptions to passengers."
Related Coverage
Qantas pilots in offshore strikes Courier Mail, 7 hours ago
Pilot storm looms for Qantas, travellers Courier Mail, 7 hours ago
Qantas pilots demand more security The Daily Telegraph, 7 hours ago
Qantas puts cost of pay claim at $317m The Australian, 26 May 2011
Pilots confident over strike ballot The Australian, 25 May 2011
Asked whether a 48-hour stoppage was a possibility, he said the union had to exercise the option within 30 days. "That could be two pilots taking five minutes' stop-work action or it could be the entire pilot body stopping for 48 hours, or anything in between."
Captain Woodward said the union was willing to defer action and seek an extension from Fair Work Australia if Qantas management was willing to enter meaningful negotiations.
Talks have stalled over pay claims and a job security clause that stipulates Qantas-coded flights be flown by Qantas pilots.
Captain Woodward said the pilots had offered an 11 per cent increase in flying hours and rostering efficiencies that would let an already significant pilot surplus almost double.
He said the pilots wanted to see the surplus absorbed into other parts of the group and criticised a company move to let surplus pilots take leave without pay to work for Emirates.
Qantas said it was disappointed by the threat and was prepared to negotiate reasonable increases in pay and conditions, but the demands from the union were " excessive and unsustainable".
"The pilots' union is demanding pay increases, free flights on top of already heavily discounted airfares and a requirement that pilots on all Qantas airlines, including Jetstar, are paid the same high rates as Qantas pilots," it said. "Paying Qantas rates to pilots for our low-cost carrier Jetstar would drive up ticket prices, make Jetstar unprofitable and set precedents for other staff salaries."
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Suggest not looking at PIA on Fridays or Saturdays, the only people you'll piss off is the little people trying to get home to their families.
Stick with the Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, knock the wind out of big business.
Employees are unlikely to be all that concerned about being stuck at home unable to get to work or business meetings.
Double tap the shares prices, or should I say, continue doubling tapping the share prices.
Do not get in the trenches with the tit for tat game, we are number three on the most trusted professions list, versus the CEO, which is quite lower on this list, stick with the mantra of company greed, off-shoring, safety, destroying an australian icon and suggestions of huge executive bonuses etc etc.
Stick with the Mondays, Tuesdays, Wednesdays and Thursdays, knock the wind out of big business.
Employees are unlikely to be all that concerned about being stuck at home unable to get to work or business meetings.
Double tap the shares prices, or should I say, continue doubling tapping the share prices.
Do not get in the trenches with the tit for tat game, we are number three on the most trusted professions list, versus the CEO, which is quite lower on this list, stick with the mantra of company greed, off-shoring, safety, destroying an australian icon and suggestions of huge executive bonuses etc etc.
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