QF Pilots PIA
I can almost guarantee that the majority of the population don't give a sh*t about Qantas Pilot for Qantas Aircraft, they just want the cheapest fare.
I was speaking to a doctor last week who knew naff all about flying but said that safety was high on his list of important factors that influence his decisions. He flew Qantas when he could.
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Originally Posted by airtags
was told that the CC were directed at their briefing not to acknowledge or comment or respond to any questions/statements by pax in connection with the announcement.
Understand that they were told to say
"I'm sorry I don't know anything" ......
Understand that they were told to say
"I'm sorry I don't know anything" ......
Pax to FA "What's this message from the Captain mean / all about ?"
FA to Pax "I've been told to say that I don't know anything about it"
Subtle, But very direct
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Low Key announcements begin 22-07-11 - update
I believe the message is low key and will be acceptable to the flying public considering the implications of the word "unorthorised " fed to the press by Q, still comes over as positive.
Passengers are just going to either ignore such a PA or complain about being disturbed by it.
Regards.
It's amusing that...
According to QF spin:
- these PAs may affect flight safety,
and yet there were no safety implications when
- pilots and ground staff were directed to make PAs for QF's industrial agenda to the effect that any delay was caused by engineers during their last dispute, or
- there were 'absolutely no safety issues' when the 744 engine failed out of Joh'burg last week.
I'm relieved that QF spokespeople are so balanced.
- these PAs may affect flight safety,
and yet there were no safety implications when
- pilots and ground staff were directed to make PAs for QF's industrial agenda to the effect that any delay was caused by engineers during their last dispute, or
- there were 'absolutely no safety issues' when the 744 engine failed out of Joh'burg last week.
I'm relieved that QF spokespeople are so balanced.
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CSM stood down for making "inappropriate Aug 24" PA
Well....it had to happen.
A CSM has been stood down and paxed home for making a follow up PA-supporting the Captains Aug 24... PA.
Apparently some Platinum FF "numb nut" recorded the PA on his i-phone and beamed it back to HQ.
The decree from the bunker was swift.
BOOT !
Seems to me ....with 4 weeks to go-they are circling the wagons.
A CSM has been stood down and paxed home for making a follow up PA-supporting the Captains Aug 24... PA.
Apparently some Platinum FF "numb nut" recorded the PA on his i-phone and beamed it back to HQ.
The decree from the bunker was swift.
BOOT !
Seems to me ....with 4 weeks to go-they are circling the wagons.
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Be careful out there.............
Ensure strict compliance with the wording of the PA with nil variation.
Ensure not broadcast during sterile cockpit procedures as it it not a safety related broadcast.
Ensure broadcast at such a time that the pushback is not delayed as a result of the PA.
Whether duty paxing or placed on specific flights, they are listening !
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Ensure strict compliance with the wording of the PA with nil variation.
Ensure not broadcast during sterile cockpit procedures as it it not a safety related broadcast.
Ensure broadcast at such a time that the pushback is not delayed as a result of the PA.
Whether duty paxing or placed on specific flights, they are listening !
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The PA campaign is an industrial tactic sailing close to the wind.
Having a megaphone and spruiking your message in a public place is one thing, but spreading your message to a captive audience will inevitably lead to problems.
Qantas will be scrutinising your every move, they might even manage to have your peers working against you next through actions such as these.
Having a megaphone and spruiking your message in a public place is one thing, but spreading your message to a captive audience will inevitably lead to problems.
Qantas will be scrutinising your every move, they might even manage to have your peers working against you next through actions such as these.
Provided you follow the rules there is nothing the company can do. It is approved by fair work australia.
As to the sky news scroll bar yesterday. The PA's arent unathourised, they have been authorised by the union under fair work australia.
As to the sky news scroll bar yesterday. The PA's arent unathourised, they have been authorised by the union under fair work australia.
According to QF spin:
- these PAs may affect flight safety,
and yet there were no safety implications when
- pilots and ground staff were directed to make PAs for QF's industrial agenda to the effect that any delay was caused by engineers during their last dispute, or
- there were 'absolutely no safety issues' when the 744 engine failed out of Joh'burg last week.
- these PAs may affect flight safety,
and yet there were no safety implications when
- pilots and ground staff were directed to make PAs for QF's industrial agenda to the effect that any delay was caused by engineers during their last dispute, or
- there were 'absolutely no safety issues' when the 744 engine failed out of Joh'burg last week.
Having a megaphone and spruiking your message in a public place is one thing, but spreading your message to a captive audience will inevitably lead to problems.
You are right Kaboy. The spontaneous applause that broke out in the cabin yesterday in support of what was being said during the PAs would make any ceo choke on his lunch. Problems indeed.
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Actually the three ring circus (AJ, Olivia & Luke) have finally made a truthful statement.
The PA's WILL affect safety -
Firstly by raising punter awareness of the shabby slashing of safety standards by Joyce the $afety fir$t spin is shown for what it is and the backlash will help to stop further safety cutbacks
and best of all:
reducing the safety of the Orange Emperor's future bonuses
AT
Practice those PA's - make em loud, clear and emphasise the key words
Stand at the door and farewell the pax with the CC - Q has gagged the CC but it would be bad manners for a Capt & FO not to answer pax questions ......
The PA's WILL affect safety -
Firstly by raising punter awareness of the shabby slashing of safety standards by Joyce the $afety fir$t spin is shown for what it is and the backlash will help to stop further safety cutbacks
and best of all:
reducing the safety of the Orange Emperor's future bonuses
AT
Practice those PA's - make em loud, clear and emphasise the key words
Stand at the door and farewell the pax with the CC - Q has gagged the CC but it would be bad manners for a Capt & FO not to answer pax questions ......
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Maybe the Engineers, Pilots and CC should gand up and start making VA tapes during the flights instead of the DVT videos 
Im sure we can get some pictures mixed into the airshow as well on the radva.
Im sure we can get some pictures mixed into the airshow as well on the radva.
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Spontaneous applause is useless if it doesn't convert to something else either by annoying Execs, making Board nervous or actually supporting the staff. That Plat FF may or may not have been a company plant but surely they have plans in place when the actions have all been indicated and broadcast widely.
Wouldn't surprise if eventually we have a tit for tat going on, some going to the Company and some to the media as this game escalates. I think it will be more peaceful travelling on trains.
Seems AIPA are content to play a cautious game, so I hope they know what they are doing and have the goods to back it up.
CSM losing his job just plays into the Rats hands in my view. They merely start 24 Aug with one strike and no payout.
Be careful out there and play it safe and by the rules.
Wouldn't surprise if eventually we have a tit for tat going on, some going to the Company and some to the media as this game escalates. I think it will be more peaceful travelling on trains.
Seems AIPA are content to play a cautious game, so I hope they know what they are doing and have the goods to back it up.
CSM losing his job just plays into the Rats hands in my view. They merely start 24 Aug with one strike and no payout.
Be careful out there and play it safe and by the rules.
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From one of our QF captains who just made the PA (apologies to him for lifting this off the in-house website, but I'm sure he understands):
"cheers and applause from passengers"
"cabin crew positive and supportive"
"during disembarkation passengers poking heads through door offering strong and enthusiastic support"
I would also relay the thoughts of the cabin crew regarding the company directive to "submit a report on any announcements from the flight deck which are not normal", but I don't want to get them into trouble!
.....and so it all starts to unravel for Olivia, Alan, and the management cronies.
"cheers and applause from passengers"
"cabin crew positive and supportive"
"during disembarkation passengers poking heads through door offering strong and enthusiastic support"
I would also relay the thoughts of the cabin crew regarding the company directive to "submit a report on any announcements from the flight deck which are not normal", but I don't want to get them into trouble!
.....and so it all starts to unravel for Olivia, Alan, and the management cronies.
As a CC member I can confirm that there would be less than a handful of [sycophantic toadies] colleagues who wouldn't be in support of both the pilot's and engineer's current industrial campaign.
It beggars belief that someone would be so stupid as to say so via the PA though.......
Shooting fish in a barrel for the company.
It beggars belief that someone would be so stupid as to say so via the PA though.......
Shooting fish in a barrel for the company.
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CC Management Encourage "Dob In a Pilot"
A message posted on RCIS late yesterday “asks” crew to report non-standards PAs to Qantas Management.
Negotiations between Qantas and AIPA for a new EBA commenced in August last year, with 21 meetings held to date. In May, AIPA conducted a ballot of its membership to take protected industrial action against Qantas. The ballot includes the right of AIPA to direct its members to make AIPA authorised passenger announcements.
The FAAA International Division was initially appalled that cabin crew would be involved in dobbing on potential industrial action involving another union – AIPA – over a dispute that currently does not involve cabin crew, but involves the very future of their employer. The action of potentially making PAs informing the travelling public of a dispute between AIPA and Qantas is action sanctioned as protected industrial action by Fair Work Australia. Additionally, it is protected industrial action that Qantas has been on notice about for weeks and has been fully endorsed by a vote of the AIPA membership. 89% of eligible pilots participated in the ballot and 94% of those voted in favour of taking protected industrial action against Qantas.
This morning we asked senior cabin crew management to explain the RCIS message. The response is that cabin crew management have only issued the message to aid customer service recovery; this message has not been issued to “dob” in PAs supporting AIPA’s campaign of protected industrial action. Cabin crew management have stated that no action will be taken against a CSM who does not report a non-standard PA. However, if there is an issue regarding customer recovery that comes to the attention of cabin crew management from a non-standard PA, that CSM will need to explain why the issue was not reported at the time.
We applaud the initiative of AIPA management to use novel industrial action such as non-standard PAs as this measure does not affect the operating of Qantas services and has little impact on our membership.
We take this opportunity to remind crew that strong penalties can be issued against unions who support the campaigns of other unions bargaining with the same or a different employer. These sanctions, known as secondary boycotts, are still current under the Fair Work Act regime.
Negotiations between Qantas and AIPA for a new EBA commenced in August last year, with 21 meetings held to date. In May, AIPA conducted a ballot of its membership to take protected industrial action against Qantas. The ballot includes the right of AIPA to direct its members to make AIPA authorised passenger announcements.
The FAAA International Division was initially appalled that cabin crew would be involved in dobbing on potential industrial action involving another union – AIPA – over a dispute that currently does not involve cabin crew, but involves the very future of their employer. The action of potentially making PAs informing the travelling public of a dispute between AIPA and Qantas is action sanctioned as protected industrial action by Fair Work Australia. Additionally, it is protected industrial action that Qantas has been on notice about for weeks and has been fully endorsed by a vote of the AIPA membership. 89% of eligible pilots participated in the ballot and 94% of those voted in favour of taking protected industrial action against Qantas.
This morning we asked senior cabin crew management to explain the RCIS message. The response is that cabin crew management have only issued the message to aid customer service recovery; this message has not been issued to “dob” in PAs supporting AIPA’s campaign of protected industrial action. Cabin crew management have stated that no action will be taken against a CSM who does not report a non-standard PA. However, if there is an issue regarding customer recovery that comes to the attention of cabin crew management from a non-standard PA, that CSM will need to explain why the issue was not reported at the time.
We applaud the initiative of AIPA management to use novel industrial action such as non-standard PAs as this measure does not affect the operating of Qantas services and has little impact on our membership.
We take this opportunity to remind crew that strong penalties can be issued against unions who support the campaigns of other unions bargaining with the same or a different employer. These sanctions, known as secondary boycotts, are still current under the Fair Work Act regime.
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This is an EBA negotiation, not an episode of Glee, who cares about the tit for tat with the cronies.
The relevant version of the EBA will either be voted up or not voted up, that will be the ultimate tell.
Pilots and AIPA stand strong, we're pilots not PR consultants, we are trusted by our passengers to fly aeroplanes not lie to the public.
The relevant version of the EBA will either be voted up or not voted up, that will be the ultimate tell.
Pilots and AIPA stand strong, we're pilots not PR consultants, we are trusted by our passengers to fly aeroplanes not lie to the public.
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