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QF management were not prepared to hand over the management of the company to the qantas pilots union.
Simply out of her depth.
we have a lot of ground to catch up.
Qantas pilots to make inflight IR pitch
Interestingly heard a somewhat similar pitch on American. Flying recently from SFO to HNL capt speaking objected several times to AA cutting the route "after 50 years". Urged pax to lobby against the cut and even provided email address! What next; berate SLF about carbon tax?
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Unprincipled action
Qantas pilots are out of order with their proposed PA announcements. They are paid to fly the aeroplane, not spruik a particular industrial cause. I wonder how they'd react if the Company directed them to make an announcement deploring actions by for example the ALAEA because the Last Post was played at the end of their recent very childish one-minute stop work meeting?
Why of why aggravate what customer base you have left? If you have a fight with the Company, have it by all means but don't involve the customer. Pretty simple really but for industrial pygmies, nothing is too simple.
Note to all: I expect to be pilloried by the usual suspects as a result of this post so please don't waste your energy and bandwidth doing so.
Why of why aggravate what customer base you have left? If you have a fight with the Company, have it by all means but don't involve the customer. Pretty simple really but for industrial pygmies, nothing is too simple.
Note to all: I expect to be pilloried by the usual suspects as a result of this post so please don't waste your energy and bandwidth doing so.
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Isn't this type of industrial action a bit 'childish'. I can understand a strict work to rule, or a mass walk out, but breaking uniform code and making PA's to the passengers about the campaign ??? Flights continue uninterrupted and without delay..... how is this giving management a bloody nose? 
Pardon my potential ignorance here, but with these PAs and such, aren't they simply doing what Qantas Management are already doing in the Media? Getting their side of the story out, something that doesn't seem to appear in any of the Mainstream Media out there?
Ixixly; bang on target - awareness. Get the message out there, how can this be so hard for people to comprehend?
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I think it is a good idea, not childish.
Media and public picks up on the fact that pa's are a soft approach to get management negotiating without disrupting pax and damaging the bottom line.
Message spread by word of mouth.
Management needs to realise WE are holding the balls and CAN squeeze when it suits.
Game on
Media and public picks up on the fact that pa's are a soft approach to get management negotiating without disrupting pax and damaging the bottom line.
Message spread by word of mouth.
Management needs to realise WE are holding the balls and CAN squeeze when it suits.
Game on
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Ken we were directed to make PA's during that last engineer dispute and I can safely say that nobody followed that directive.
So in short we supported the engineers actions and refused to make PA's blaming the engineers for delays....
So in short we supported the engineers actions and refused to make PA's blaming the engineers for delays....
If you have a fight with the Company, have it by all means but don't involve the customer.
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Funny how Ken expects to "waste his bandwidth" having his say, but he recommends that others don't waste theirs having their say. Why is that Ken? You don't place any value in others opinions? Gee, sounds just like Qantas management, doesn't it? "We talk - you listen". Well, unlucky for you and your Qantas executives, because we are going to have our say - and you ARE GOING TO LISTEN!
Simple as this, Ken. It states quite clearly in the Qantas FAM (if you really are a management tool, then you should be aware of this - maybe you should do your job and take some time to read it...!), that Qantas pilots are EXPECTED to make PA's. So why then would you suggest that they are only paid to fly the aircraft? Well, thats not true is it? If we just did that, and paid no attention to customer service, then that could be considered to be "industrial action", couldn't it?
No Ken, I think it better that we comply with the FAM, and pay PARTICULAR attention to customer service. We should ENSURE that our customers KNOW THE FULL STORY.
You are a fool, Ken. Go away, because frankly, most on this site value your opinion about as much as you value theirs. Which aint much.
Simple as this, Ken. It states quite clearly in the Qantas FAM (if you really are a management tool, then you should be aware of this - maybe you should do your job and take some time to read it...!), that Qantas pilots are EXPECTED to make PA's. So why then would you suggest that they are only paid to fly the aircraft? Well, thats not true is it? If we just did that, and paid no attention to customer service, then that could be considered to be "industrial action", couldn't it?
No Ken, I think it better that we comply with the FAM, and pay PARTICULAR attention to customer service. We should ENSURE that our customers KNOW THE FULL STORY.
You are a fool, Ken. Go away, because frankly, most on this site value your opinion about as much as you value theirs. Which aint much.
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PA's to the passengers about the campaign .
The passengers could not give a rats arse they are not going look up some web site this is as weak as ALAEA 1 minute stoppage may as well not even bother Qantas managment would be laughing at this time has come to hire a professional negotiator arse kicker but a fear its to late.
The passengers could not give a rats arse they are not going look up some web site this is as weak as ALAEA 1 minute stoppage may as well not even bother Qantas managment would be laughing at this time has come to hire a professional negotiator arse kicker but a fear its to late.
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Ken, maybe you wouldn't be pilloried if you displayed a grasp of the facts.
As stated by ejectx3, we were instructed by Qantas management via a class 2 intam at flight planning to make PAs during the engineering dispute blaming the engineers for departure delays, even when it wasn't actually the engineers' fault!
No-one I know of made it. It was treated with the contempt it deserved.
Jethro - also a grasp of the facts would be helpful to you too. The engineers quite clearly stated that the 1 minute stoppage is to satisfy the FWA legal requirement to keep their PIA valid without having to go to another vote or apply for an extension.
C'mon management stooges. Surely working your way up to the dizzying heights of management requires the ability to do robust factual research before opening your mouth, doesn't it? Oh, wait a minute......just realised what I said!
As stated by ejectx3, we were instructed by Qantas management via a class 2 intam at flight planning to make PAs during the engineering dispute blaming the engineers for departure delays, even when it wasn't actually the engineers' fault!
No-one I know of made it. It was treated with the contempt it deserved.
Jethro - also a grasp of the facts would be helpful to you too. The engineers quite clearly stated that the 1 minute stoppage is to satisfy the FWA legal requirement to keep their PIA valid without having to go to another vote or apply for an extension.
C'mon management stooges. Surely working your way up to the dizzying heights of management requires the ability to do robust factual research before opening your mouth, doesn't it? Oh, wait a minute......just realised what I said!
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This message is hidden because Ken Borough is on your ignore list.
Jethro, the one minute stoppages are just to ensure that some action is taken within the legally proscribed timeframe. If that action is not taken, another PIA vote is required. The real action will start shortly.
Meanwhile, QANTAS management continues to pay their strikebreaking engineers who are on expensive fixed term contracts.
They've already wasted two months worth of their six month contracts for nothing.
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Don't get me wrong, I am all for industrial action to 'sharpen' managements focus. It just seems to me that after all the effort of the ballot and all the chest beating to actually formulate this as a 'plan' is bizarre. Why not just have a series of 1 day strikes spaced two days apart over the period of 10 days. Back that up with a strong media campaign to get your point across. Making two 'PA's' on a 12 hour longhaul flight will only be listened to be a minority of passengers, I would be surprised if ANY pax then go on to actually look at the website. But hey, I wish you luck.
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Very roughly, about half the pilots on the long haul award are flying domestically. So 4 sectors per day = 8 modified pa's per day per Captain.
Cost to pilots association = zero.
Disruption to passengers = only the time needed to make the modified pa's.
Cost to pilots association = zero.
Disruption to passengers = only the time needed to make the modified pa's.
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Motorolla,
So are you saying that in this 'fight' for the very future of Qantas jobs the top of the list when it comes to industrial action is to make sure it is 'Zero' cost to the pilots association?
Also, not everyone who disagrees with the manner in which IA is being undertaken is a management troll.
So are you saying that in this 'fight' for the very future of Qantas jobs the top of the list when it comes to industrial action is to make sure it is 'Zero' cost to the pilots association?
Also, not everyone who disagrees with the manner in which IA is being undertaken is a management troll.
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puku
OK Done that.
1 x Commodore and 1 x Falcon
Looking forward to your continued support, puku. Thanking you in advance.
Take a step backwards people and look at yourslves.
1 x Commodore and 1 x Falcon
Looking forward to your continued support, puku. Thanking you in advance.