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Has anyone got any idea what future pilot retirement numbers are like at Mainline? I know there were many who were poised to retire prior to the GFC, but then stayed on due to their super accounts taking a whollup... so how many pilots will Mainline lose over the next say 10 years to retirement when compared to this potential loss of flying to JQ???
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You're kidding, right? Put it this way- an A330 Captain was just awarded an A380 F/O slot. Reason? He's 65.
LWOP- Never say never but I really doubt it. Why would EK help QF with their pilot surplus? EK is looking, but obviously not desperate for applicants. If QF is going to make guys redundant (likely) why wouldn't EK just let them do it and then swoop in and scoop up the new job seekers?
LWOP- Never say never but I really doubt it. Why would EK help QF with their pilot surplus? EK is looking, but obviously not desperate for applicants. If QF is going to make guys redundant (likely) why wouldn't EK just let them do it and then swoop in and scoop up the new job seekers?
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What angers me is the whole August 24 thingy. We all know that date, and it had to be deliberately chosen. What about the pilots who are trying to buy a house, you would not would you, unless you had a motza, what about the pilots that have young families, stiff shi% for them, not knowing where they are going to be or indeed where they might have to go, it brings back memories of misery, and feel nothing but sorry for you all. I hope it works out for you all.
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The only reason QF would be trying to find LOA is to save themselves money! Nothing more nothing less, the redundancy terms are quite good for mainline pilots and it would cost them quite a bit to offer it, as well as all the further training cost required to shift all the troops around.
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The over 60's will hang on to the death. Even if they can afford to retire. Even if hundreds of junior pilots are made redundant.
One 'hero' in Brisbane is 67 and still going.......
One 'hero' in Brisbane is 67 and still going.......
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The wives of these fellows have given them an ultimatum:"you leave flying and I will leave you"It is implied that the "super" will go with them when they depart~Tough love baby
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These days the key for a career that moves forward is to work for an expanding company and also not chockers with retirees that won't retire...
The old blokes could retire but no-one can make them and thats that. As for going from 330 skipper to 380 FO, way to enamour yourself with your colleagues...
The old blokes could retire but no-one can make them and thats that. As for going from 330 skipper to 380 FO, way to enamour yourself with your colleagues...
As for going from 330 skipper to 380 FO, way to enamour yourself with your colleagues...
JQ is not going to SFO via AKL.
Jetstar's focus is Asia.
Jetstar's focus is Asia.
Welcome to San Francisco
The San Francisco Manager told me before she 'retired' that JQ AKL-SFO was a near certainty. But just a rumour.
The San Francisco Manager told me before she 'retired' that JQ AKL-SFO was a near certainty. But just a rumour.
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My money is on SFO out of AKL, look at the facts:
Qantas pulls out of SFO stating that there is simply not a big enough business market.
Jetstar currently training A330 pilots to be based in AKL.
Uncle Bruce appeared in the NZ papers about a month ago stating that one big bonus about using a Singapore based operator for the JQ 330's into AKL is that this gives them rights to continue to the USA without any further regulatory approval due to the open skies agreement between SIN, NZ and USA.
All this adds up to JQ beginning NZ to West Coast USA operations in the near future, can't go to LA as Qantas is already flying this route and AJ promised that JQ wouldn't fly on the same routes as QN.
Of course when AJ moves some Qantas operations to SIN the no doubt the AKL - LAX will be flown by JQ in Qantas coloured aircraft.
Qantas pulls out of SFO stating that there is simply not a big enough business market.
Jetstar currently training A330 pilots to be based in AKL.
Uncle Bruce appeared in the NZ papers about a month ago stating that one big bonus about using a Singapore based operator for the JQ 330's into AKL is that this gives them rights to continue to the USA without any further regulatory approval due to the open skies agreement between SIN, NZ and USA.
All this adds up to JQ beginning NZ to West Coast USA operations in the near future, can't go to LA as Qantas is already flying this route and AJ promised that JQ wouldn't fly on the same routes as QN.
Of course when AJ moves some Qantas operations to SIN the no doubt the AKL - LAX will be flown by JQ in Qantas coloured aircraft.
Retiree staff travel categories are not dependant on rank [duty ones are]
Yes they are, Tank. Think of the second set of letters and numerals and you'll realise what I mean with respect to longhaul travel. Sorry, I can't be more specific in a public forum but you'll figure it out.
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Your right there Surfside, my missus would have happily given my super back if they would take me back, and get me out of her hair. That is the problem for some wives, thirty years of independence, and suddenly the ol bastard, is wandering around the place, not knowing what to do. Going from four slides, to dish washer emptier, and dog walker, is a bit of a shock. The trick is to have other interests, that gets you out and about. You think its going to be a breeze but it takes time to adjust. But its fun when you do!
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Emirates are doing exactly what Qantas should be doing, and should have been doing for the last 10 years.
Full article:
Emirates set to slash fares to fill A380s - Transport - ArabianBusiness.com
So sad when you see an airline run into the ground by a bunch of highly incompetent managers......
“But the last thing you should contemplate is capacity reduction. It’s easy to do, but it has sounded the death knell for so many carriers.”
Industry practice has generally been to halt growth when times are hard and costs high, focusing on the most profitable routes that can sustain higher fares.
That strategy is risky because it hurts sales and destroys confidence among passengers, airports, holiday companies and businesses in destination cities, so that traffic often never returns, Clark said on June 20.
Industry practice has generally been to halt growth when times are hard and costs high, focusing on the most profitable routes that can sustain higher fares.
That strategy is risky because it hurts sales and destroys confidence among passengers, airports, holiday companies and businesses in destination cities, so that traffic often never returns, Clark said on June 20.
Emirates set to slash fares to fill A380s - Transport - ArabianBusiness.com
So sad when you see an airline run into the ground by a bunch of highly incompetent managers......
The speech he should be making on Aug 24!
This was forwarded to me - it is fiction, but wouldn't it be nice! This could make AJ a hero.
Over the last six months we have conducted a thorough review of the Qantas longhaul business. This review has led us to the conclusion that Qantas’ greatest strengths, and what separates us from other airlines around the globe, is our proud Australian heritage, and our history of operational excellence. Today we reaffirm our commitment to these two points, and I will outline our plans to return Qantas to being not only a great airline, but a great business.
Over the past two months we have involved our all of our stakeholders, our investors, our customers, and most importantly, our staff. We have briefed our major investors, who have responded positively to our plans, and have agreed to fund our fleet renewal and expansion. We have had frank and open discussions with the unions representing our 35,000 staff, and they have all agreed to come on board and support our strategy, by offering significant efficiencies. In return we have given them written guarantees that they will be included in our future. We have surveyed all of our frequent flyers, to understand what is important to them when they choose to fly Qantas.
In this increasingly globalized world, only the strong will survive, and for us to be strong we need a global network. In addition to our current fleet plan, we have ordered 20 Boeing 777s. Ten of these are the 777-200 LR, allowing us to fly from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne direct to destinations in North America, such as Dallas, Chicago, Vancouver, San Francisco, in addition to Los Angles and across the states to New York.
The other ten aircraft are the Boeing 777-300ER, which will be deployed on routes throughout Asia and onward to Europe. Together with our A330 fleet, and the 787 when it arrives, we plan to operate daily flights direct from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne to 14 cities in Asia, including three in mainland China. From five of these Asian cities there will be onward flights to five destinations in Europe. We have not forgotten the other Australian capital cities either, so there will be additional flights from Perth and Adelaide into Asia, with connections to all of our European destinations, and we are looking at running some international services out of Canberra as well.
We have formed an alliance with Qatar Airways, the 2011 Skytrax airline of the year. This will see us operating Qantas aircraft between Sydney and Doha, offering our customers codeshare connections from there to a multitude of other destinations across Europe and Africa. It will also give passengers arriving in Australia access to our domestic network.
When it arrives, the 787 is set to be a great aircraft. It will be delivered to Qantas, and will bolster our expanding international network, as well as renew our domestic widebody fleet. Jetstar will return to what it does best. It will return to its low cost roots, fly one aircraft type, the Airbus A320 to leisure destinations only, and be used to protect Qantas’ bottom line. It can no longer be allowed to cannibalize our higher yielding premium business. It will continue to grow as a franchise across Asia, but from here on must fund its own sustainable expansion.
As I mentioned earlier, one of our greatest strengths is being Australian, and what makes us Australian is not the Kangaroo painted on the tail, but our highly skilled Australian staff. We commit to Australian’s both crewing, and maintaining Qantas aircraft. We already have our centre of service excellence, and we are going to turn our engineering facilities, and pilot training facilities into Qantas centers of excellence as well. This will not only give us the best operational support in the world, but we will be able to offer these facilities to other airlines, thereby contributing to our bottom line.
We have negotiated support from the Australian government, who acknowledge the value of a strong national flag carrier to the Australian economy, and they have offered us support in the form of tax concessions. Specifically they have changed the way we can depreciate our aircraft, making us more competitive with foreign airlines.
We have set ourselves two ambitious targets; to be voted the world’s best airline, by Skytrax, and to obtain 45% market share of all international traffic into, and out of Australia. Indeed, the entire executive management have deferred the acceptance of any bonus payments, until these two targets have been achieved.
We hope you will join us in making Qantas a great business, and a great part of Australia’s future.
Over the past two months we have involved our all of our stakeholders, our investors, our customers, and most importantly, our staff. We have briefed our major investors, who have responded positively to our plans, and have agreed to fund our fleet renewal and expansion. We have had frank and open discussions with the unions representing our 35,000 staff, and they have all agreed to come on board and support our strategy, by offering significant efficiencies. In return we have given them written guarantees that they will be included in our future. We have surveyed all of our frequent flyers, to understand what is important to them when they choose to fly Qantas.
In this increasingly globalized world, only the strong will survive, and for us to be strong we need a global network. In addition to our current fleet plan, we have ordered 20 Boeing 777s. Ten of these are the 777-200 LR, allowing us to fly from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne direct to destinations in North America, such as Dallas, Chicago, Vancouver, San Francisco, in addition to Los Angles and across the states to New York.
The other ten aircraft are the Boeing 777-300ER, which will be deployed on routes throughout Asia and onward to Europe. Together with our A330 fleet, and the 787 when it arrives, we plan to operate daily flights direct from Brisbane, Sydney and Melbourne to 14 cities in Asia, including three in mainland China. From five of these Asian cities there will be onward flights to five destinations in Europe. We have not forgotten the other Australian capital cities either, so there will be additional flights from Perth and Adelaide into Asia, with connections to all of our European destinations, and we are looking at running some international services out of Canberra as well.
We have formed an alliance with Qatar Airways, the 2011 Skytrax airline of the year. This will see us operating Qantas aircraft between Sydney and Doha, offering our customers codeshare connections from there to a multitude of other destinations across Europe and Africa. It will also give passengers arriving in Australia access to our domestic network.
When it arrives, the 787 is set to be a great aircraft. It will be delivered to Qantas, and will bolster our expanding international network, as well as renew our domestic widebody fleet. Jetstar will return to what it does best. It will return to its low cost roots, fly one aircraft type, the Airbus A320 to leisure destinations only, and be used to protect Qantas’ bottom line. It can no longer be allowed to cannibalize our higher yielding premium business. It will continue to grow as a franchise across Asia, but from here on must fund its own sustainable expansion.
As I mentioned earlier, one of our greatest strengths is being Australian, and what makes us Australian is not the Kangaroo painted on the tail, but our highly skilled Australian staff. We commit to Australian’s both crewing, and maintaining Qantas aircraft. We already have our centre of service excellence, and we are going to turn our engineering facilities, and pilot training facilities into Qantas centers of excellence as well. This will not only give us the best operational support in the world, but we will be able to offer these facilities to other airlines, thereby contributing to our bottom line.
We have negotiated support from the Australian government, who acknowledge the value of a strong national flag carrier to the Australian economy, and they have offered us support in the form of tax concessions. Specifically they have changed the way we can depreciate our aircraft, making us more competitive with foreign airlines.
We have set ourselves two ambitious targets; to be voted the world’s best airline, by Skytrax, and to obtain 45% market share of all international traffic into, and out of Australia. Indeed, the entire executive management have deferred the acceptance of any bonus payments, until these two targets have been achieved.
We hope you will join us in making Qantas a great business, and a great part of Australia’s future.
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^^^^^^^^^^
Brilliant !! Funniest thing I have read for ages !!
Are you sure you're not a writer for comedy shows such as "The Chaser" ?
Of course, as fictional as "Snow White and the seven dwarves"
ST
Brilliant !! Funniest thing I have read for ages !!
Are you sure you're not a writer for comedy shows such as "The Chaser" ?
Of course, as fictional as "Snow White and the seven dwarves"
ST
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Prior to August 24th, a question to Qantas LH Pilots.
I certainly do hope that your speech is indeed what Alan Joyce is preparing to deliver Oldmate, but I think on top of many other things, I feel that there is a lack of vision from management. I do not believe that the management at Qantas believe that strong outcomes are in fact possible with SUCH a dramatic change of business practice and direction...
Mind you, a change of vision is as easy as a change of leader. I worked under Godfrey, and I now work under Mr Borghetti. The company is indeed heading in a very different direction, and that has come about in a very short amount of time. Regardless of ones views of the merit of each strategy, it can not be argued that a complete turnaround is indeed possible, given you have the right person for the job.
In the interest of understanding the expectations of Qantas Pilots', may I ask what efficiencies, or work rule concessions are seen as being adequate to meeting the expectations of the Executive Management Team..?
Is the consensus that a salary reduction is also inevitable?
What lengths are the pilots willing to go to to maintain all or even reduced conditions, and what is the expected outcome to industrial action?
Do you believe that the Long Haul EBA is a true reflection of the real-world market value of pilots either here or abroad, and does that real-world value of pilots in other companies really matter to the negotiations between you and your employer?
I ask with the utmost respect, camaraderie, and genuine interest.
Kind Regards
Forgetabowdit
Mind you, a change of vision is as easy as a change of leader. I worked under Godfrey, and I now work under Mr Borghetti. The company is indeed heading in a very different direction, and that has come about in a very short amount of time. Regardless of ones views of the merit of each strategy, it can not be argued that a complete turnaround is indeed possible, given you have the right person for the job.
In the interest of understanding the expectations of Qantas Pilots', may I ask what efficiencies, or work rule concessions are seen as being adequate to meeting the expectations of the Executive Management Team..?
Is the consensus that a salary reduction is also inevitable?
What lengths are the pilots willing to go to to maintain all or even reduced conditions, and what is the expected outcome to industrial action?
Do you believe that the Long Haul EBA is a true reflection of the real-world market value of pilots either here or abroad, and does that real-world value of pilots in other companies really matter to the negotiations between you and your employer?
I ask with the utmost respect, camaraderie, and genuine interest.
Kind Regards
Forgetabowdit
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Forgetabowdit! you’re too far ahead of the game.
The transition starts with agreeing a new strategy and is followed by policy/leadership change to give effect to the strategy.
Once agreed, industrial negotiations, etc, necessary to implement it can begin.
The transition starts with agreeing a new strategy and is followed by policy/leadership change to give effect to the strategy.
Once agreed, industrial negotiations, etc, necessary to implement it can begin.
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I have realised that the issue with the over 65 yank bidding back to the 380 and the other B737 guys pushing 70 is in fact a non issue.
After August 24 the 2011-12 training allocation will be a 'work of fiction' anyhow when QF International is moved to Sin and said vacancies are taken up by eager hoards of Indians, Paki's and Indo's.
After August 24 the 2011-12 training allocation will be a 'work of fiction' anyhow when QF International is moved to Sin and said vacancies are taken up by eager hoards of Indians, Paki's and Indo's.