Qantas post August 24
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This is a rumour network so this is what was been said yesterday at work.
Jetstar to start SFO thru AKL in September.
Last 8 A380s to be cancelled.
QF 21/22 SYD/NRT/SYD to go to Jetstar.
Yesterday a number of pilots turned up to start A330 ground school, 1/3 started, 1/3 were sent home on full pay for 1 month, last third sent home on full pay for 2 months.
Lastly Emirates will take 100 Qantas pilots for a 3 year contract with LOA from Qantas been given.
Dont know whats fact or fiction would welcome any thoughts.
Jetstar to start SFO thru AKL in September.
Last 8 A380s to be cancelled.
QF 21/22 SYD/NRT/SYD to go to Jetstar.
Yesterday a number of pilots turned up to start A330 ground school, 1/3 started, 1/3 were sent home on full pay for 1 month, last third sent home on full pay for 2 months.
Lastly Emirates will take 100 Qantas pilots for a 3 year contract with LOA from Qantas been given.
Dont know whats fact or fiction would welcome any thoughts.
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By work do you mean AIPA or Qantas ?
Actually I think that particular source of your information has been cut off.
Loose lips sink ships
Actually I think that particular source of your information has been cut off.
Loose lips sink ships
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You'll be killed in the rush if EK are taking guys and gals on LOA.
I know of some other things that are in the pipeline but not for PPRUNE until I hear a bit more info about them.
I know of some other things that are in the pipeline but not for PPRUNE until I hear a bit more info about them.
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Post 24/8
Frankfurt- Gone
South America- Gone to 'Partnership'
New York- Gone
Tokyo- Partner airline JAL
Hub to be set up in KL with BA and Malaysian.
Excess of 400 pilots.........
South America- Gone to 'Partnership'
New York- Gone
Tokyo- Partner airline JAL
Hub to be set up in KL with BA and Malaysian.
Excess of 400 pilots.........
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Regarding rumors
Jq to SFO is no surprise. Ops normal for Clifford and co
Cancel 8 380's??? Will the contracts allow it? Redirect to JQ perhaps.
21/22 to Jq. Won't be the first bad decision this lot have made.
The large number of 330 allocations before the end of the last training year has more to do with where the pilots come from. Ie the 767 instead of 737. Apparently sim availability is an issue also. Wouldn't be surprised if their training is put off. Another inefficiency for Clifford and co to point at.
I think the possibility of being called back to Qf whilst on lwop remains a problem for EK. If that can be resolved, who knows.
Otherwise there's always China Southern.
Jq to SFO is no surprise. Ops normal for Clifford and co
Cancel 8 380's??? Will the contracts allow it? Redirect to JQ perhaps.
21/22 to Jq. Won't be the first bad decision this lot have made.
The large number of 330 allocations before the end of the last training year has more to do with where the pilots come from. Ie the 767 instead of 737. Apparently sim availability is an issue also. Wouldn't be surprised if their training is put off. Another inefficiency for Clifford and co to point at.
I think the possibility of being called back to Qf whilst on lwop remains a problem for EK. If that can be resolved, who knows.
Otherwise there's always China Southern.
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Redirect to JQ perhaps.
Jetsh*t are flat out dealing with what A330's and basic operation they have, due to inexperienced halfwits in management. The set up for the B787 is a fascicle disfunctional comedy at it's best. To throw A380's in there as well would be an impossible feat for them to achieve.
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Lots of talk about EK. Will turn out to be just that- talk. Rumour a few years ago was that 30+ were leaving. Ultimately about 7 left. This time will be no different. Plenty will talk, few will go. The rest will stay in hope that others will go and spare them the pain. Ultimately, it will get worse before it gets better. I say all that as something of an optimist.........
Lots of talk about EK. Will turn out to be just that- talk. Rumour a few years ago was that 30+ were leaving. Ultimately about 7 left. This time will be no different. Plenty will talk, few will go. The rest will stay in hope that others will go and spare them the pain. Ultimately, it will get worse before it gets better. I say all that as something of an optimist.........
Lastly Emirates will take 100 Qantas pilots for a 3 year contract with LOA from Qantas been given.
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Frankfurt- Gone
SIN-BOM-FRA op by Jetstar with QF liveried A330 and crew in QF uniforms based out of SIN
After 24/8 you'll have to read the small print on some QF aircraft, you will find that it will say "Operated by Jetstar Airways" somewhere near the rear door.
As Alan Joyce said at the Press club lunch the other week, you will see more QANTAS aircraft on international services, what he forgot to mention is that they will not be crewed by existing QF crew, but by QF group crew
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We've heard the LOA thing before in the past, sorry guys but EK will not take a contract/LOA whatever you want to call it pilot.
The company policy is, "you are ours and no other airline will have any influence in your retention and tenure".
EK has always required a full declaration of previous employment termination, there have been cases where pilots have lost commands and faced disciplinary action for failing to have been honest about leaving previous company employment.
I can't see QF getting into bed with EK, not now or ever.
We want the good guys from QF, you deserve better than what is happening to you.
The company policy is, "you are ours and no other airline will have any influence in your retention and tenure".
EK has always required a full declaration of previous employment termination, there have been cases where pilots have lost commands and faced disciplinary action for failing to have been honest about leaving previous company employment.
I can't see QF getting into bed with EK, not now or ever.
We want the good guys from QF, you deserve better than what is happening to you.
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'Jetstars focus is asia'- is that the same as Jetstar will never have more than how many aircraft?
Jetstar's focus changes daily as managements panic spreads when they realise they actually don't have a clue how to manage QF..
Not quite Caynine, a few years ago EK took a group on ANZ pilots on a contract.
Its possible.
Jetstar's focus changes daily as managements panic spreads when they realise they actually don't have a clue how to manage QF..
Not quite Caynine, a few years ago EK took a group on ANZ pilots on a contract.
Its possible.
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a few years ago EK took a group on ANZ pilots on a contract
This happened when EK was very short of pilots, so it could happen again. I believe it was arranged at management level. It suited ANZ as they had a surplus of pilots at the time & it suited EK as they were short.
The 3 year timeframe was interesting. At the time EK was running approx 3 years to command & I am of the opinion that EK intended to dangle the command carrot in front of them in an attempt to get them to resign from ANZ & stay at the end of their contract. But 3 years is along time in this business, things changed & the guys I have spoken to seem to be pleased that they are heading home to their old job.
Emirates continue to employ and reject applicants daily. They are in the same pool as Qatar,Ethihad and other Asian carriers for suitably qualified candidates.
Contracts are rife in Asia at the moment, the Middle East not so much as their strategy is to employ for longevity not short term. If you are a QF pilot, I suggest you look after yourself rather than think that you will be offered work as a group of pilots.
As a group you quickly learn who your friends and enemies are.
You might be 'QF pilots' but there are also other highly skilled professionals within the aviation industry out there looking for the same work. Offshore you are like everyone else, it will be the cheapest who succeed.
Contracts are rife in Asia at the moment, the Middle East not so much as their strategy is to employ for longevity not short term. If you are a QF pilot, I suggest you look after yourself rather than think that you will be offered work as a group of pilots.
As a group you quickly learn who your friends and enemies are.
You might be 'QF pilots' but there are also other highly skilled professionals within the aviation industry out there looking for the same work. Offshore you are like everyone else, it will be the cheapest who succeed.
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EK has always required a full declaration of previous employment termination,
EK knew officially about the SAS pilots' situation, and in the case of the Brits, it was a case of "don't tell, we won't ask". I think any of the SAS guys who intend to go back to SAS will have will have had to make up their minds by now, but, with SAS's current woes, extensions might well have been granted, as I understand have been in the past for a few individuals.
Besides, to say that anything is set in concrete at EK is a contradiction. They change policy to suit. What was set in stone in the morning can be dumped by evening prayers.
And if the three year LOA to EK ever comes to pass as rumoured, for those who take it up... if you think you're unhappy at QF, I'd love to hear how you feel after a year or two in the Sandpit.
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And if the three year LOA to EK ever comes to pass as rumoured, for those who take it up... if you think you're unhappy at QF, I'd love to hear how you feel after a year or two in the Sandpit.