Alan Joyce Chief Executive Qantas June 22/6/11 Address to the National Press Club"
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Legend, you are right about Lester Brain, the true aviator. I had the pleasure of meeting him when a young F/O in TAA, nobody has impressed me more. A man of few words, but what he said was worth bottling. One of QF'S and TN'S finest, without a word of a doubt. If only he was running the show now, he always put his staff first, always. He recognised their worth, he recognised the fact that without them he had no airline to run, he loved his pilots and engineers and his door was always open. I was in awe of the bloke and his achievements, this book as Legend quotes, is a must read, if you love aviation and aviation history.
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I posted this in another thread but relevant here too:
MORE LIES AND FAULTY CALCULATIONS
At the press club Mr Joyce told a big fat lie:
He said that the AIPA are demanding that Jetstar pilots to be paid the same as Qantas pilots.
Out and Out Bulls&#T.
In addition he said that if this (completely false) claim was allowed that Jetstars unit costs would increase by 50%.
What is wrong with this bloke?
If the claim was true (which it isn't) then jetstar pilots would get about 30% more. Pilots wages presently make up about 4% of the total costs of Jetstar, therefore using a non-faulty calculator a pay rise of such magnitude would increase costs by 1.2%.
A far cry from 50%.
But remember he lied about the claim anyway... There is no such claim, nor can there be, legally AIPA cannot negotiate terms of a separate agreement within the negotiations for the long haul one.
The facts are that the claim whilst a little complicated, essentially asks for Qantas brand flying to be on terms and conditions no less than Qantas.
Mr Joyce - Please:
a) Stop lying
b) Buy a new calculator.
c) Leave and take Clifford with you.
At the press club Mr Joyce told a big fat lie:
He said that the AIPA are demanding that Jetstar pilots to be paid the same as Qantas pilots.
Out and Out Bulls&#T.
In addition he said that if this (completely false) claim was allowed that Jetstars unit costs would increase by 50%.
What is wrong with this bloke?
If the claim was true (which it isn't) then jetstar pilots would get about 30% more. Pilots wages presently make up about 4% of the total costs of Jetstar, therefore using a non-faulty calculator a pay rise of such magnitude would increase costs by 1.2%.
A far cry from 50%.
But remember he lied about the claim anyway... There is no such claim, nor can there be, legally AIPA cannot negotiate terms of a separate agreement within the negotiations for the long haul one.
The facts are that the claim whilst a little complicated, essentially asks for Qantas brand flying to be on terms and conditions no less than Qantas.
Mr Joyce - Please:
a) Stop lying
b) Buy a new calculator.
c) Leave and take Clifford with you.
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I have been a Qantas extremist (do anything to get there) since the 'I own an airline' teeshirt era. I have seen the many positive sides of the various hegemonies since then. But this is too much - these guys are well out of their depth. They are treating as a commodity something that is much more valuable than that to very many Australians. Go, please, and hand over to someone who knows where value lies in an icon.
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Oh...
And apparently Qantas Pilots and Engineers are "expected the world over".
He meant to say respected but just couldn't bring himself.
Or maybe with QF moving offshore maybe they are expected to move over the world.
And apparently Qantas Pilots and Engineers are "expected the world over".
He meant to say respected but just couldn't bring himself.
Or maybe with QF moving offshore maybe they are expected to move over the world.
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It's time for him to start running the Airline and stop making excuses. Other Airlines face similar pressures to QF and continue running ok.
Blind or what?.
My view, spent 90 years building an ICON, and these guys slowly destroy it in the last ten.
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The only bit I agreed with was when he called Jetstar an "unbelievable" business. He's right - I don't believe it.
I heard him several times refer to the J* Int franchise as "very profitable". J* Pacific is a basket case. J* Asia has lost $80m since it started and only just last year posted a very small profit of $4m. And there have been questions asked in the Singaporean media as to whether the company is being propped up by J*/Qantas.
J* Int carries more than double the pax to Japan than QF, so you would think they would have borne the majority of the $72m loss due to the earthquake. Add to that about another $10m for CHC and I'm struggling to believe they didn't make a loss as well.
After repeatedly stating that Jetstar and FF were carrying the rest of the group, he did mention QF Dom once .... as an afterthought. That must have really hurt.
I heard him several times refer to the J* Int franchise as "very profitable". J* Pacific is a basket case. J* Asia has lost $80m since it started and only just last year posted a very small profit of $4m. And there have been questions asked in the Singaporean media as to whether the company is being propped up by J*/Qantas.
J* Int carries more than double the pax to Japan than QF, so you would think they would have borne the majority of the $72m loss due to the earthquake. Add to that about another $10m for CHC and I'm struggling to believe they didn't make a loss as well.
After repeatedly stating that Jetstar and FF were carrying the rest of the group, he did mention QF Dom once .... as an afterthought. That must have really hurt.
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The Kings Speech
That would, without doubt, be one of the worst public speaking performances I have ever witnessed.
The guy can't ever string consecutive sentences together-he's an embarrassment!
The disjointed structure, lame stories(the one about the lady talking on ABC Radio re: the Cairo flight- pathetic !) and passion (lack of) were at a Year 5 primary student level. Getting the words RESTRUCTURE mixed up with RECONSTRUCTION was inexcusable.
How long can the Board put up with this incompetence?
As for the Journo's questions (aka back slapping). Are you kidding me???
Only ONE-(the guy with the beard) came close to asking a real question.
AJ could not believe his luck.....or was it luck.
Obviously he had a table full of his No...#1 QF supporters-Simon (FF question), PW (Op's question), Rob (Sales/tourism question) .....and good 'ol BB smirking like a cheshire cat at the number of times JQ were mentioned.
Aug 24 will be very interesting. The JV with another airline(insert: Malaysian) will be even more interesting.
The guy can't ever string consecutive sentences together-he's an embarrassment!
The disjointed structure, lame stories(the one about the lady talking on ABC Radio re: the Cairo flight- pathetic !) and passion (lack of) were at a Year 5 primary student level. Getting the words RESTRUCTURE mixed up with RECONSTRUCTION was inexcusable.
How long can the Board put up with this incompetence?
As for the Journo's questions (aka back slapping). Are you kidding me???
Only ONE-(the guy with the beard) came close to asking a real question.
AJ could not believe his luck.....or was it luck.
Obviously he had a table full of his No...#1 QF supporters-Simon (FF question), PW (Op's question), Rob (Sales/tourism question) .....and good 'ol BB smirking like a cheshire cat at the number of times JQ were mentioned.
Aug 24 will be very interesting. The JV with another airline(insert: Malaysian) will be even more interesting.
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Love his choice of numbers - transparent accounting practice would show the truth...
$5billion in capital -
yes which is given as free service to the rest of the group
Yes which is held in either aircraft which are so old they have been depreciated to the tax man to near zero
Yes which are tied up in aircraft which haven't been delivered
Already indicated the truth about the other figures in my previous post
The worst part is listening to the ridiculous journos who ask the questions and lap it up and polish the egos of corporate Australia.... Heaven forbid some of their 500 million is taken from the mediaadvertising and perks given to keep the public complacent. How about reinvesting in your business - increase productivity and efficiency by having an engaged workforce and finally freeing a dividend instead of a ridiculous bonus system that rewards short term sacrifices and long term destruction...
$5billion in capital -
yes which is given as free service to the rest of the group
Yes which is held in either aircraft which are so old they have been depreciated to the tax man to near zero
Yes which are tied up in aircraft which haven't been delivered
Already indicated the truth about the other figures in my previous post
The worst part is listening to the ridiculous journos who ask the questions and lap it up and polish the egos of corporate Australia.... Heaven forbid some of their 500 million is taken from the mediaadvertising and perks given to keep the public complacent. How about reinvesting in your business - increase productivity and efficiency by having an engaged workforce and finally freeing a dividend instead of a ridiculous bonus system that rewards short term sacrifices and long term destruction...
Onanist1974:
So the usual troll confirms that the way to make Joyces baby Jetstar profitable is to destroy the mainline.
A very worrying future for QF International folk , you all need to draw breath and think about yesterday ( how good it WAS ) and tomorrow , what will that be?
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They only have the resources to take on one segment at a time. This time it's the international group. Good luck to you guys , however if your domestic , regional or contractors please don't make the mistake that your operation is safe. Once they do international I'm sure they will just move on to the next group.
Strange how the speech started with the emotional anicdotes regarding the iconic status of Qantas, and his role as custodian, and finished with an attack on two of the main goups of employees who have contributed so much to making it an icon.
One Ting is now certain, the stratergy is without doubt, red tails flying out of / through Asia with crews on "locally relevant" terms and conditions.
One Ting is now certain, the stratergy is without doubt, red tails flying out of / through Asia with crews on "locally relevant" terms and conditions.
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Looks like be better mark our calendars... we getting our own " march of the orange people" parade it seems....
Not popular in Ireland..... sure as s
t not welcomed here.......
Not popular in Ireland..... sure as s
t not welcomed here.......
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Some interesting points at the end of Sandilands post today.
Qantas to totally restructure its international division | Plane Talking
Qantas to totally restructure its international division | Plane Talking
Commentary The disclosures made by Joyce mean that the incomplete enterprise bargaining negotiations with the pilots and licensed engineers are now being conducted without the unions knowing what material changes to the Qantas business are going to be introduced early in the lifetime of the agreements.
They also mean that investors know that major changes are being made to the Qantas business, but not their details.
They also mean that investors know that major changes are being made to the Qantas business, but not their details.
I timed it and he spent about 10% of his speech whining about the engineering and pilots unions. That is a big chunk of time bagging these "valuable staff members".
Disgraceful Alan!
Disgraceful Alan!
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In regards to the following comment "A professional pilot" does not decide that just because there is a CB in the way, he should fly more aggressively. It's likely to end badly... He goes around it"....I Agree with the first part of your statement however in regards to the second let me make a more accurate comment "A good pilot goes around a CB with enough separation to make it Safe, comfortable and efficient. No more no less".. In the same way all the journo's here are the equivalent of a pilot flying 200 miles around that same CB....Very Unproductive, inefficient and overly safe. .
The majority of questions asked where in my opinion irrelevant to what is going on at QF. For 3 different journo's to ask basically the same question relating to the ash cloud etc is simply a wasted opportunity to scrutinize and perhaps or at least get some answers.. I relate to the fact that the most likely reason for the strong decline in the stock price (notwithstanding another profit announcement?) is the potential industrial action so why on earth weren't more questioned asked in regards to this? I understand that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you or get black-balled but this was just a pathetic excuse and simply allowed AJ to put more spin and get some free publicity for his argument. You can still ask tough, intelligent question without being disrespectful..On this occasion none where asked.
Finally I also understand that most of the people here are only messengers since they only report and not write stories. But here is where the problem lies and it's hard to argue with your final statement "It's up to the public to decide whether the man is full of knowledge, or full of something else." since they will end up with a one sided story. (Not good reporting if you asked me)
AJ is smarter (read devious) than a lot of people credit him for and here to portray the union representatives as the the ones responsible for "The inclusion of the Job security clause" is a brilliant (read unfair and blatant distortion of truth) strategy. As a junior QF driver all I can say is that those representatives are trying to fix/stop our career literally flying away. It is no dream/illusion or a product of my imagination. I know my colleagues would back me up so. The question is Who's living in Cooh-Cooh land?. Not me I bet cha!!
The majority of questions asked where in my opinion irrelevant to what is going on at QF. For 3 different journo's to ask basically the same question relating to the ash cloud etc is simply a wasted opportunity to scrutinize and perhaps or at least get some answers.. I relate to the fact that the most likely reason for the strong decline in the stock price (notwithstanding another profit announcement?) is the potential industrial action so why on earth weren't more questioned asked in regards to this? I understand that you don't want to bite the hand that feeds you or get black-balled but this was just a pathetic excuse and simply allowed AJ to put more spin and get some free publicity for his argument. You can still ask tough, intelligent question without being disrespectful..On this occasion none where asked.
Finally I also understand that most of the people here are only messengers since they only report and not write stories. But here is where the problem lies and it's hard to argue with your final statement "It's up to the public to decide whether the man is full of knowledge, or full of something else." since they will end up with a one sided story. (Not good reporting if you asked me
)AJ is smarter (read devious) than a lot of people credit him for and here to portray the union representatives as the the ones responsible for "The inclusion of the Job security clause" is a brilliant (read unfair and blatant distortion of truth) strategy. As a junior QF driver all I can say is that those representatives are trying to fix/stop our career literally flying away. It is no dream/illusion or a product of my imagination. I know my colleagues would back me up so. The question is Who's living in Cooh-Cooh land?. Not me I bet cha!!
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This all plays nicely into AJ's hands. He becomes a part of the press club meeting, knowing full well an impending anouncement is only to say that there will be another anouncement in August. It drives down the share price and his tactics in this industrial debate gets world wide media attention. Everyone listened and what a great way to try and put fear in its pilots.
This war has been taken to a media level where the union can not fight it.
He means war. Vote yes.
This war has been taken to a media level where the union can not fight it.
He means war. Vote yes.