Alan Joyce Chief Executive Qantas June 22/6/11 Address to the National Press Club"
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And start looking for a new job.
Don't want to fear monger, but looking at the QF fleet makeup and the very likely prospect that there will be routes cut and thus aircraft retired, it looks like the long awaited 'sign this new sub-J* contract or face redundancy is upon you.
Redundancy payout- I wonder how much AIPA can negotiate for? Same as the FEOs?
This press game may be fear mongering, to a certain extent definitely but will AJ all of a sudden renege on this threat? Unlikely.
There are BIG changes coming, like it or not.
As IL said, its their train set...
Control your destiny fella's.
Don't want to fear monger, but looking at the QF fleet makeup and the very likely prospect that there will be routes cut and thus aircraft retired, it looks like the long awaited 'sign this new sub-J* contract or face redundancy is upon you.
Redundancy payout- I wonder how much AIPA can negotiate for? Same as the FEOs?
This press game may be fear mongering, to a certain extent definitely but will AJ all of a sudden renege on this threat? Unlikely.
There are BIG changes coming, like it or not.
As IL said, its their train set...
Control your destiny fella's.
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I believe that he could have better timed the press stunt to co-incide with the up-coming industrial action, ratherthan before it gets under way. (That's if he wanted it to have any positive effect).
Apart from that if I was a manager at this level I would prefer to deal with any issue's going on in my departments personally rather than burden the Australian public with my frustrations.
Just my own thoughts.
Apart from that if I was a manager at this level I would prefer to deal with any issue's going on in my departments personally rather than burden the Australian public with my frustrations.
Just my own thoughts.
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All is not lost. The Sprit of Australia can prevail.
EU and US corporate history confirms that when a pending serious clash between labour and capital is set to, all but destroy shareholder wealth & continuing employement, far sighted shareholders and unions sometimes come together to take control.
However, the final outcome is most often something neither Management nor Unions seemingly contemplated while their dispute was being escalated to the point where Shareholders and Employees become United.
Long live the Roo.
EU and US corporate history confirms that when a pending serious clash between labour and capital is set to, all but destroy shareholder wealth & continuing employement, far sighted shareholders and unions sometimes come together to take control.
However, the final outcome is most often something neither Management nor Unions seemingly contemplated while their dispute was being escalated to the point where Shareholders and Employees become United.
Long live the Roo.
Am I missing something.
AJ talks about Frequent Flyers an asset. This had me puzzled somewhat.
A few years ago the American airlines were worried about the amount of frequent flyer points that their passengers had accumulated and that if all the pax were to convert the points to flights/goods/cash, the action would bankrupt the airlines.
How come frequent flyers is now an asset and not a liability?
If I owe anyone in cash or kind, is it not a liability?
AJ talks about Frequent Flyers an asset. This had me puzzled somewhat.
A few years ago the American airlines were worried about the amount of frequent flyer points that their passengers had accumulated and that if all the pax were to convert the points to flights/goods/cash, the action would bankrupt the airlines.
How come frequent flyers is now an asset and not a liability?
If I owe anyone in cash or kind, is it not a liability?
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Don't know if anyone else noticed but there's one thing you have to admire about AJ and that's a wonderful sense of the ironic.
Who else would have picked on August 24 to announce the big reshuffle? Exactly 22 years since the last big reshuffle of similar proportions. That cost Australia 3 passenger airlines and the loss of about 1300 pilots.
However, many of us did go on to long and happy careers flying the wonderful Boeing 777, something that it seems unlikely will happen in Australia, at least not with a white kangaroo on the tail.
Safe flying
Sherm
(just noticed, Bonvol beat me to it!)
Who else would have picked on August 24 to announce the big reshuffle? Exactly 22 years since the last big reshuffle of similar proportions. That cost Australia 3 passenger airlines and the loss of about 1300 pilots.
However, many of us did go on to long and happy careers flying the wonderful Boeing 777, something that it seems unlikely will happen in Australia, at least not with a white kangaroo on the tail.
Safe flying
Sherm
(just noticed, Bonvol beat me to it!)
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In that Sandilands’ has publically stated
'The disclosures made by Joyce mean that the incomplete enterprise bargaining negotiations with the pilots and licensed engineers are now being conducted without the unions knowing what material changes to the Qantas business are going to be introduced early in the lifetime of the agreements… and investors know that major changes are being made to the Qantas business, but not their details.'
What Woodeneye says above, may possibly come to pass.
'The disclosures made by Joyce mean that the incomplete enterprise bargaining negotiations with the pilots and licensed engineers are now being conducted without the unions knowing what material changes to the Qantas business are going to be introduced early in the lifetime of the agreements… and investors know that major changes are being made to the Qantas business, but not their details.'
What Woodeneye says above, may possibly come to pass.
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Possible good returns from banks and woolworths for the privilege of the tie up??
Otherwise as a reward for flights your right - it is a direct liability with no ability to return on any investment...except increase customer loyalty.
Otherwise as a reward for flights your right - it is a direct liability with no ability to return on any investment...except increase customer loyalty.
The war on mainline will continue. If I were Joyce, I'd be thinking about Karma. Decimating your workforce in favor of cheap overseas contractors implies the dangerous assumption that such people will always be readily available, biddable and cheap.
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Interesting assessment to say the least. International losing money BUT no one asked why? Trashing of brand, over priced product,old aircraft, broken aircraft, no route development only contraction, constant whinging about Govt sponsored airlines etc etc etc.
No one asked why if this was developing over 10 years did no one do anything (Maybe attempt to shift blame to JB???).
Did anyone notice all questions came from the same table???Not sure if this is normal for this venue but not when I have watched previously.My instinct is to smell another rat.
Journos performance was shameful given the issues at play. Maybe the editors should question the value for money of their employees.
No one asked why if this was developing over 10 years did no one do anything (Maybe attempt to shift blame to JB???).
Did anyone notice all questions came from the same table???Not sure if this is normal for this venue but not when I have watched previously.My instinct is to smell another rat.
Journos performance was shameful given the issues at play. Maybe the editors should question the value for money of their employees.
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Walaper said
If he truly believes the dribble, why then did he stumble on his words so many times ? 
The most troublesome aspect to todays press club is this is not spin but he truly believes the dribble and ramblings today to be the truth
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The other aspect of todays hogwash that disturbed me, was the applause made during the speech after certain comments made. The applause, albeit half-heartedly, no doubt driven by wirthless and her crew, was very out of character from the press club broadcasts I've witnessed in times past. Usually applause was only reserved for the end of the guest speakers' speech and end of question time. I recall once was after AJ announced the RR compensation deal. Does that really warrant applause? Please, spare me
Interestingly dear leader said he drove from Melbourne to Sydney during last weeks ash disruptions so as not to take a seat from any disrupted passenger.
Too afraid to ask for the jumpseat? Unwilling to have to share a space with the kamikazes? Worried he might be told some home truths?
Too afraid to ask for the jumpseat? Unwilling to have to share a space with the kamikazes? Worried he might be told some home truths?
AJ blames the pilots and engineers for strategic company decisions!
Well what a day!
AJ Quote
"Qantas International is the Groups Weakest Business"
To AJ: Well who is the one minding the shop, AJ? Even airlines with higher CASK than Qantas are expanding and making a few bucks (CX, SIA). You want to blame the pilots, engineers etc for the decisions associated with this poor performance do you? The responsibility for the strategy leading to any poor performance is yours and the Board's!
So AJ, What about the cross subsidies from QF international to J*, didn't talk about these heh? (A good topic for analysis).
To the National Press Club Reporters: You NPC reporters are miserably incompetent at asking the difficult questions with only Kelly attempting a half-hearted tough question at the end. Why don't you all p*ss off to England and report on the royals or some other useless past-time.
AJ: It seems to me that you AJ have a clear strategy to de-Australianise the QF workforce. AJ you need to guarantee the jobs will be Australian, (that is Australians employed by Australian companies under an Australian EBA). I choose to fly Qantas with my own money because I will pay more to have an Australian crew. Take that away and I will go elsewhere.
AIPA: any details about foreign crewing should be publicised. If you are going to be targetted as irresponsible in any case, maybe there is little to lose by playing harder ball. If AJ plays the man; then maybe you have to as well.
Ben Sandilands: please keep up the good work, you are the only one asking the hard questions at present.
Seabreeze
AJ Quote
"Qantas International is the Groups Weakest Business"
To AJ: Well who is the one minding the shop, AJ? Even airlines with higher CASK than Qantas are expanding and making a few bucks (CX, SIA). You want to blame the pilots, engineers etc for the decisions associated with this poor performance do you? The responsibility for the strategy leading to any poor performance is yours and the Board's!
So AJ, What about the cross subsidies from QF international to J*, didn't talk about these heh? (A good topic for analysis).
To the National Press Club Reporters: You NPC reporters are miserably incompetent at asking the difficult questions with only Kelly attempting a half-hearted tough question at the end. Why don't you all p*ss off to England and report on the royals or some other useless past-time.
AJ: It seems to me that you AJ have a clear strategy to de-Australianise the QF workforce. AJ you need to guarantee the jobs will be Australian, (that is Australians employed by Australian companies under an Australian EBA). I choose to fly Qantas with my own money because I will pay more to have an Australian crew. Take that away and I will go elsewhere.
AIPA: any details about foreign crewing should be publicised. If you are going to be targetted as irresponsible in any case, maybe there is little to lose by playing harder ball. If AJ plays the man; then maybe you have to as well.
Ben Sandilands: please keep up the good work, you are the only one asking the hard questions at present.
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Its time to put the Qantas Sales Act to test me thinks!
Intent has a lot of weight in contract law I believe. What was the intent of the Qantas Sales Act when it was put together all those years ago? Certainly not to offshore the International business
AIPA & ALAEA should prepare themselves to put the Act to the test come announcements on August 24th!!
Intent has a lot of weight in contract law I believe. What was the intent of the Qantas Sales Act when it was put together all those years ago? Certainly not to offshore the International business
AIPA & ALAEA should prepare themselves to put the Act to the test come announcements on August 24th!!
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Wasn't the attendance of Andrew 'Twiggy' Forrest of FMG fame seated next to our Livvy, interesting?
Yes, the orchestrated moments of applause made me sick, even the missus asked 'Why are they clapping'?
When AJ was asked to comment on the Virgin/SIA alliance he went onto spruiking our extensive International partners and global network. Yes, that same network that has continually underperformed.
Go figure?
And the share price (investment community, were equally impressed.
Yes, the orchestrated moments of applause made me sick, even the missus asked 'Why are they clapping'?
When AJ was asked to comment on the Virgin/SIA alliance he went onto spruiking our extensive International partners and global network. Yes, that same network that has continually underperformed.
Go figure?
And the share price (investment community, were equally impressed.