Alan Joyce Chief Executive Qantas June 22/6/11 Address to the National Press Club"
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curmudgeon...
I personally think that Joyce is doing a fantastic job of keeping qantas profitable and competitive in a time of massive challenges. Instead of this mindless complaining and bleating, none of which is supported with rational argument, You blubbering cry babies, and i am talking about both aircrew and those teary eyed dropkicks in engineering, should collectively pucker up and kiss his Irish backside for keeping you in a secure job as half of you would be unemployable anywhere else! Seriously, you would be at macdonalds serving burgers or driving cabs for an Indian boss if he was a lesser manager. Get over yourselves!
Go on..back in your cave now.. there's a good troll.
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thanks for posting that speedy.
gee i wonder why management isn't even prepared to discuss it with aipa?
interesting response by joyce about the current IR legislative framework.
gee i wonder why management isn't even prepared to discuss it with aipa?
interesting response by joyce about the current IR legislative framework.
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Qantas Sales Act
Part of the act reads as follows:
I think paragraph h) would be able to be put to the test in court for any planned total offshoring of QF International. In particular "used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled International air transport services"
Surely it can't be argued that JQ and its employees contribute to the aggregate mentioned in the act.?
As far as I am aware, JQ use the old IMPULSE airways AOC (domestically anyway). Also due to it being a subsidiary, JQ can be sold at any time without complying to the Act, so how can it be used in the aggregate calculation? Frequent Flyer also a subsidary.
Also JQ only have at this stage around 10 A330's and some A320's making International services.
Care to comment anyone?
Part of the act reads as follows:
(e)
prohibit Qantas from taking any action to bring about a change of its company name to a name that does not include the expression "Qantas"; and
(f)
prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled International air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i)
its company name; or
(ii)
a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"; and
(g)
require that the head office of Qantas always be located in Australia; and
(h)
require that of the facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services (for example, facilities for the maintenance and housing of aircraft, catering, flight operations, training and administration), the facilities located in Australia, when compared with those located in any other country, must represent the principal operational centre for Qantas; and
(i)
require that, at all times, at least two-thirds of the directors of Qantas are to be Australian citizens; and
(j)
require that, at a meeting of the board of directors of Qantas, the director presiding at the meeting (however described) must be an Australian citizen; and
(k)
prohibit Qantas, at all times, from taking any action to become incorporated outside Australia.
prohibit Qantas from taking any action to bring about a change of its company name to a name that does not include the expression "Qantas"; and
(f)
prohibit Qantas from conducting scheduled International air transport passenger services under a name other than:
(i)
its company name; or
(ii)
a registered business name that includes the expression "Qantas"; and
(g)
require that the head office of Qantas always be located in Australia; and
(h)
require that of the facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services (for example, facilities for the maintenance and housing of aircraft, catering, flight operations, training and administration), the facilities located in Australia, when compared with those located in any other country, must represent the principal operational centre for Qantas; and
(i)
require that, at all times, at least two-thirds of the directors of Qantas are to be Australian citizens; and
(j)
require that, at a meeting of the board of directors of Qantas, the director presiding at the meeting (however described) must be an Australian citizen; and
(k)
prohibit Qantas, at all times, from taking any action to become incorporated outside Australia.
I think paragraph h) would be able to be put to the test in court for any planned total offshoring of QF International. In particular "used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled International air transport services"
Surely it can't be argued that JQ and its employees contribute to the aggregate mentioned in the act.?
As far as I am aware, JQ use the old IMPULSE airways AOC (domestically anyway). Also due to it being a subsidiary, JQ can be sold at any time without complying to the Act, so how can it be used in the aggregate calculation? Frequent Flyer also a subsidary.
Also JQ only have at this stage around 10 A330's and some A320's making International services.
Care to comment anyone?
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A Qantas manager walks into a bar with a duck under his arm.
The barman says 'Why'd ya bring that spineless bastard with no integrity in here?'
The Qantas manager says 'Steady on, it's my pet duck'
The barman says 'I was talking to the duck'
The barman says 'Why'd ya bring that spineless bastard with no integrity in here?'
The Qantas manager says 'Steady on, it's my pet duck'
The barman says 'I was talking to the duck'
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Has anybody asked AJ if the reason why the international arm of Qantas made a loss of $200m last year could be because of the fines incurred by their cargo collusion? Is the cost centre for those fines the international arm??
Its amazing how you can make figures say what ever you want!
Its amazing how you can make figures say what ever you want!
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The 2009 Federal Court Case of Woods v Qantas Airways Limited hinged on Qantas’ control of Jetstar and would have determined inter alia, whether or not Jetstar International was separate from Qantas International.
If, as Woods’ lawyers advised, Jetstar International was a part of Qantas International, the question today would be, does Qantas’ minority holdings in the various Jetstar Asia companies constitute part of:
· Facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services.
Believe Woods' told Team Bazza that their pulling of the case would do untold damage to Qantas' young pilots and right now - it seems he was too close for comfort.
Opportunity lost.
If, as Woods’ lawyers advised, Jetstar International was a part of Qantas International, the question today would be, does Qantas’ minority holdings in the various Jetstar Asia companies constitute part of:
· Facilities, taken in aggregate, which are used by Qantas in the provision of scheduled international air transport services.
Believe Woods' told Team Bazza that their pulling of the case would do untold damage to Qantas' young pilots and right now - it seems he was too close for comfort.
Opportunity lost.
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Whilst what is stated above by Cloudbuster and Worthwhat is by and large correct, the world is soon to be a lot different to when the Sale Act was written and getting more financially precarious as time marches on.
In circumstances where job security and the continued growth of Qantas are at stake, it is necessary, I believe, to come up with a business plan not hamstrung by management aggression and/or employee rigidity.
It is certainly not right that employees be asked to bear the cost management’s mistakes, but people do need to be willing to adapt to changing global circumstances.
I have written elsewhere on this site about how this can be achieved and hopefully the idea will soon start to resonate.
Management have an obligation to lead and thus far they are not doing so. If they ever do, I can only hope that all involved are astute enough to know what an olive branch looks like.
In circumstances where job security and the continued growth of Qantas are at stake, it is necessary, I believe, to come up with a business plan not hamstrung by management aggression and/or employee rigidity.
It is certainly not right that employees be asked to bear the cost management’s mistakes, but people do need to be willing to adapt to changing global circumstances.
I have written elsewhere on this site about how this can be achieved and hopefully the idea will soon start to resonate.
Management have an obligation to lead and thus far they are not doing so. If they ever do, I can only hope that all involved are astute enough to know what an olive branch looks like.
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Sonny,
Quote:
Does WK work for oldmeadow?
No. ............................
N
It seems that the simple 'no' you played isn't completely accurate. There is some speculation that this may be the case.
Quote:
Does WK work for oldmeadow?
No. ............................
N
It seems that the simple 'no' you played isn't completely accurate. There is some speculation that this may be the case.
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Sonny,
He does not WORK for OM .. he is retired. He MAY give those that pay for his services his advice on his knowledge of the contract. I believe that is all he would give.
As an aside ... my experience with WK over the years is that while he may have been in a management role, he always did what he could for "the troops" when he could.
I may not be his biggest fan, but I won't trash him.
N
He does not WORK for OM .. he is retired. He MAY give those that pay for his services his advice on his knowledge of the contract. I believe that is all he would give.
As an aside ... my experience with WK over the years is that while he may have been in a management role, he always did what he could for "the troops" when he could.
I may not be his biggest fan, but I won't trash him.
N
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Qantas should disclose true Jetstar figures before the August 24 restructure…
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/06/23/qantas-figures-need-more-clarity-before-the-august-24-restructure/
The truth is out there...
http://blogs.crikey.com.au/planetalking/2011/06/23/qantas-figures-need-more-clarity-before-the-august-24-restructure/
The truth is out there...
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I'm with NOIP, WK may be working for the enemy now but was a good stand up manager who could not only understand an employees problem but would actively try to help.
If he didn't dislike you!
He always seemed to be fair!
If he didn't dislike you!
He always seemed to be fair!
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Hey! I am not criticising him personally.
I worked with and I had no complaints either and observed him stand up for the group regarding hotels in a layover destination.
However, if he is 'giving advice' for remuneration, lets be honest here- is he giving advice that is assisting the pilots cause?
Thats all i'm saying. Looking the facts and some transparency.
I worked with and I had no complaints either and observed him stand up for the group regarding hotels in a layover destination.
However, if he is 'giving advice' for remuneration, lets be honest here- is he giving advice that is assisting the pilots cause?
Thats all i'm saying. Looking the facts and some transparency.
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He states he is working for the Chief pilot on these negotiations.
In that regard he is working for management "against" the pilots.
I think that is transparent.
Like most of us I suspect he wishes he could fix all this without bloodshed.
In that regard he is working for management "against" the pilots.
I think that is transparent.
Like most of us I suspect he wishes he could fix all this without bloodshed.
He might have been many things but he did jump straight from AIPA President to QF Management.
His continued presence on QREWROOM is one of arrogance, division and derision.
Looks like he displays all the qualities necessary to maintain his consultative role.
His continued presence on QREWROOM is one of arrogance, division and derision.
Looks like he displays all the qualities necessary to maintain his consultative role.
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Whether or not he works for oldmeadow.
It amazes me, that someone who his whole career was protected by the pilots who went before him(1966) spends his retirement time on Q room and being paid to undo a contract that protected him.
It amazes me, that someone who his whole career was protected by the pilots who went before him(1966) spends his retirement time on Q room and being paid to undo a contract that protected him.
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It amazes me, that someone who his whole career was protected by the pilots who went before him(1966) spends his retirement time on Q room and being paid to undo a contract that protected him.