Legalities of Pilot Strike Breakers
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I am dammed if I remember where all the pilots came from, some from USA, South Africa and New Zealand I remember, and the Australian papers were full of adds for Airline pilots, like you think you could get them out of centrelink. I think we were all in such a state of shock, we had no idea what was going on. What I do remember with terrible clarity is one of our colleagues could not cope, he already had marital problems, and dreaded the loss of his kids, loss of job was the final straw, so he topped himself. Myself and 5 other TAA pilots had to make the trip to ADL for his funeral, and had to board a aircraft we knew like our own car, that we had logged hundreds of hours up on, and listen to some yank welcome us on board and hoped we would have a good time folks and enjoy the flight. None of us dared look at the other, we were all to distressed. Jesus, don't go down our path.
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Strikebreakers
Having read all of the posts regarding the possibilty of QF employing strikebreakers, I really feel I have to put a few home truths out there. As an Ossie expact working overseas for years I am sure that QF pilots would be right there in my corner if I were on strike, especially if someone offered them a reasonable sum of money to take LWOP and fly for my airline for a while. Well, maybe not, but, now reverse the situation. If all QF pilots had been based in the furthest corners of the globe for years and someone offered them the chance to return home, how many could honestly say that they would NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT. Not too many would be my guess.
Now, where do I sign.
Maggot
Now, where do I sign.
Maggot
how many could honestly say that they would NOT EVEN CONSIDER IT. Not too many would be my guess.
In a nutshell, that philosophical distinction represented the fence between the two groups in 89/90.
I was on one side of the fence (I saw no option then and, were the circumstances to be similar again, I would see no option again). Those on the other side of the fence I can be polite towards but would be most unlikely to share a drink, etc.
The only people I can accept who flew over our routes are those who were in employment O/S and were directed by their employers to crew on a short contract basis. I have one such long term friend and colleague. While he thought that we were all a bit foolish at the time (and I have to agree with him), I don't think that he at all relished having to fly in the circumstances. However, I certainly wouldn't expect him or anyone else, to have sacrificed his job to make a point.
On the other hand, those who gratuitously and willingly, even enthusiastically, fed/feed on the adversity of others are true bottom feeders. We all had numerous friends and, in the case of some, family, who were of such ilk. Just a personal view, I suppose, but I wouldn't piss on such people if they were on fire in the gutter as I walked past.
I can bring to mind a couple of very highly qualified and competent non-airline pilots who were courted quite actively at the time but declined the offers. As one observed to a group in my presence later, to have accepted would have meant that "Bloggs would never have spoken to me again". By rejecting the offers, he chose to forego a significant dollar benefit at a useful stage in his working life. Such integrity puts the bleating of others ("I had to go back for the kids", etc.) in perspective for me, at least.
TG (love that username) refers to a suicide - there were a number of such people who had parallel stress sufficient to push them over the edge. The Industry and personal tragedy involved was nothing short of absolutely disgraceful.
Jesus, don't go down our path.
Absolutely the case. Those who ignore history inevitably are doomed to repeat it.
In a nutshell, that philosophical distinction represented the fence between the two groups in 89/90.
I was on one side of the fence (I saw no option then and, were the circumstances to be similar again, I would see no option again). Those on the other side of the fence I can be polite towards but would be most unlikely to share a drink, etc.
The only people I can accept who flew over our routes are those who were in employment O/S and were directed by their employers to crew on a short contract basis. I have one such long term friend and colleague. While he thought that we were all a bit foolish at the time (and I have to agree with him), I don't think that he at all relished having to fly in the circumstances. However, I certainly wouldn't expect him or anyone else, to have sacrificed his job to make a point.
On the other hand, those who gratuitously and willingly, even enthusiastically, fed/feed on the adversity of others are true bottom feeders. We all had numerous friends and, in the case of some, family, who were of such ilk. Just a personal view, I suppose, but I wouldn't piss on such people if they were on fire in the gutter as I walked past.
I can bring to mind a couple of very highly qualified and competent non-airline pilots who were courted quite actively at the time but declined the offers. As one observed to a group in my presence later, to have accepted would have meant that "Bloggs would never have spoken to me again". By rejecting the offers, he chose to forego a significant dollar benefit at a useful stage in his working life. Such integrity puts the bleating of others ("I had to go back for the kids", etc.) in perspective for me, at least.
TG (love that username) refers to a suicide - there were a number of such people who had parallel stress sufficient to push them over the edge. The Industry and personal tragedy involved was nothing short of absolutely disgraceful.
Jesus, don't go down our path.
Absolutely the case. Those who ignore history inevitably are doomed to repeat it.
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Just a side note RHLMcG, Teresa Green, Ida Down, etc were all call signs on the Lancaster bombers, that flew so gallantly during the second world war. Teresa Green was my uncle's aircraft, he went to Canada to do his flying training, and flew the Lanc on many a raid, only to meet his death over Cologne aged 29, which was considered quite old for a pilot in those days. (I guess you just did not get to live that long). Which of course puts our complaints into perspective really, doesn't it.
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Getting back to the origninal topic who cares?
I already have completed interviews for a couple of contracts overseas
and the way I see it is GAME ON!
Fight and eviscerate!
I already have completed interviews for a couple of contracts overseas
and the way I see it is GAME ON!
Fight and eviscerate!
puts our complaints into perspective really, doesn't it.
Absolutely.
I admire the VC winner but my awe is reserved for the massed bomber raids of WW2 folk. Balls of steel and way beyond my level.
Fight and eviscerate!
Quite obviously some have no intention of, and absolutely no interest in, learning from the past.
Absolutely.
I admire the VC winner but my awe is reserved for the massed bomber raids of WW2 folk. Balls of steel and way beyond my level.
Fight and eviscerate!
Quite obviously some have no intention of, and absolutely no interest in, learning from the past.
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Yep right mate, of course the airlines were born from this era, and I had the privilege as a very young F/O, to fly with these legends of pilots. Hard bastards, to young to have seen what they saw, but mate, could they fly. Some had been POW's, some had survived their tour of duty, but all were affected in one way or another. A privilege to have anything to do with them, even if they would and could, smack you over the head or hurl bloody manuals at you if they were incensed by your youthful stupidity. Short fuses many of them, and do you wonder. would not do with the diddums of today.
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This is not 1989!!!!!
This is not 1989!!!
There is potential for PIA( Protected!!! Industrial action)
No one will resign and this is not a pay issue. It's about Qantas aircraft not being flown by Vietnamese pilots in asia with a Qantas tail.
Very few similarities.
There is potential for PIA( Protected!!! Industrial action)
No one will resign and this is not a pay issue. It's about Qantas aircraft not being flown by Vietnamese pilots in asia with a Qantas tail.
Very few similarities.
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......how many could honestly say that they would NOT
EVEN CONSIDER IT. Not too many would be my guess.
EVEN CONSIDER IT. Not too many would be my guess.
Who the hell would be crazy enough to want to go back?
Have a look at what one will look forward to by returning
to the "lucky country" (apart from an obvious lowering of
one's standard of living) -
- Totally uncontrolled political correctness
- AGW brigades
- Many extremely high and invasive taxes
- ALP and a thickheaded bogan PM
- Greenies and their commie bosses
- Listening to statements? That sound like questions?
- ABC
- CASA
- Enforced recycling (trash is trash - get the garbos to do it instead!)
- ATO
- Tall Poppy Syndrome
- ALP-voting yobbos
- A mickey mouse domestic airline system
- A soon-to-be mickey mouse int'l airline system
- Taxes (oh yeh I already mentioned that)
No way Jose. They'd have to pay me an extra 10-15 grand
tax free each month to compensate putting up with all that
bull****!
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Your all freckin mad, you don't know what it is like. No it is not 89 it is 2011, and it hurts just as much. You might win, you might not, you are not just fighting the company, you are fighting the govt. you are fighting the people, ( believe me you will be seen the same as us, overpaid bus drivers) PLEASE think about this, as for Vietnamese pilots, try USA, South Africans, even our cousins the Kiwi's and don't lets forget the french, no problems there on the A380. You poor bastards.
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Get a grip TG.
In 89 the AFAP was attempting to go outside the Accord. That was the reason the Govt came down like a ton of bricks. AIPA is being very careful to stay within the laws of the land.... hence the P in PIA. The Govt will only get involved if the Minister decides to intervene, and that will be that.
In 89 the entire Australian domestic network was shut down, that cannot happen now.
In 89 the AFAP was persuing a 29% pay rise. AIPA is going for less than inflation.
QF Long haul accounts for 18% of Australian traffic. The punters have plenty of options if they thing they will be inconvenienced.
For a text-book example of how to run PIA, look to the ALAEA. Believe me, they are talking to AIPA.
89 just showed us how NOT to do it.
Get a grip and stop spreading hysteria.
In 89 the AFAP was attempting to go outside the Accord. That was the reason the Govt came down like a ton of bricks. AIPA is being very careful to stay within the laws of the land.... hence the P in PIA. The Govt will only get involved if the Minister decides to intervene, and that will be that.
In 89 the entire Australian domestic network was shut down, that cannot happen now.
In 89 the AFAP was persuing a 29% pay rise. AIPA is going for less than inflation.
QF Long haul accounts for 18% of Australian traffic. The punters have plenty of options if they thing they will be inconvenienced.
For a text-book example of how to run PIA, look to the ALAEA. Believe me, they are talking to AIPA.
89 just showed us how NOT to do it.
Get a grip and stop spreading hysteria.
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I've always struggled with the views and principles of TG.
He's always been opposed to scabs and supports those who didn't, yet he chose to fly for many years as an F/O to those he says he opposed?
Due to the needs of his family, he has said in years past.
One day perhaps I will understand that!?
He's always been opposed to scabs and supports those who didn't, yet he chose to fly for many years as an F/O to those he says he opposed?
Due to the needs of his family, he has said in years past.
One day perhaps I will understand that!?
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The Govt will only get involved if the Minister decides to intervene, and that will be that.
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What a load of crock Amos. I left Oz and flew OS for four years, I came back because my wife developed a blood disorder that could lead to Leukemia, and naturally with four kids under 10 we needed family support and assistance. I returned OS on my own and continued to fly, and finally got into QF as a S/O. never a F/O. And they I stayed. I have never scabbed, it was seven years after the dispute before I flew back here. As for my hysteria, you go for it mate, if you think it is going to get you anywhere, perhaps you lot will be lucky, perhaps not, but history shows you are pushing it uphill. Does not matter if its 89 or 2011 you still bleed the same, most have a mortgage, most have kids at school, most have financial commitments, and you have to weigh that up. There is no answer to where QF is going, it is now the way of the world, and if you blokes think you can stop it, well good luck. But if you think QF is going to sit on its arse whilst you blokes, start working to rule, ringing in sick, or what ever you plan to do, they are not. They will have the journos painting you as a bunch of sky gods, over paid bus drivers, they have no friggin idea what is involved, nor care. Then you will have the govt, with Gillard and that Moron Swan having a go at you. If you were a bunch of wharfies then that is ok, but a bunch of Airline Pilots, they are considered elitists capitalists, tall poppies to be ridiculed and brought down. A perfect sitting duck for a Labor Party govt. No skin off my nose if you win or lose, no skin off my nose if you lose your job or not, but it sure is sh%thouse if you do. Good luck whichever way you go.
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No skin off my nose if you win or lose, no skin off my nose if you lose your job or not, but it sure is sh%thouse if you do. Good luck whichever way you go.
I dont care I have other jobs lined up so GAME ON!