Qantas Pilots, You Are Losing The Battle.
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What you fail to mention is the DISCOUNTED level that Millions of other Aussies dont get, and what your lot are asking for...
As for the public being against us? All evidence to the contrary- apart from the obvious Qantas spin merchants who frequent PPRUNE to tell us the public is against us. Certainly none of the public flying into Sydney or Melbourne at various stages today would be against us.
I like how you make out to be such a know it all telling all us morons that the freight train is on it's way. We've been seeing the light at the end of the tunnel from that oncoming freight train for the better part of a decade. I suspect that what irritates trolls like yourself is that it's taking so freaking long for it to arrive. Never the less, we're quite aware of it's presence. Whether it runs us over or stops and backs up with us coming along for the ride is what remains to be seen.
in the mean time, if you've finished expounding your year 4 wisdom, there is a village very glad it's resident idiot has gone missing. See if you can find your way back there because we've got enough idiots in the boardroom and executive of Qantas to keep us going for a while yet.
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Far from losing the battle, as this whole mess goes on longer and more info comes out, the public are, in my view, even stronger in support of the qantas workers.
pipkin, as you are at least 1000 miles from the action, I suggest you contain your views to matters closer to home.
btw, with around 9 planes, Jetconnect hardly qualifies as a major airline
pipkin, as you are at least 1000 miles from the action, I suggest you contain your views to matters closer to home.
btw, with around 9 planes, Jetconnect hardly qualifies as a major airline
Its pretty funny how guys pick on grammatical errors when an english level 4 is all thats required for an ATPL.
In other words its ok to have a primary school vocabulary so if you don't like it maybe you should get a job as a lawyer, doctor or news reporter.
Which all pay better by the wAy.
In other words its ok to have a primary school vocabulary so if you don't like it maybe you should get a job as a lawyer, doctor or news reporter.
Which all pay better by the wAy.
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Forget the Indian Pilot. What about any other Pilot, who would manage the aircarft as well, or if not better than the QF Pilot.
Qantas Pilots are quick to rubbish Jetconnect Pilots, however look at the stats. I would back a Jetconnect Pilot, SQ, EK, or any other majour Pilot vs QF anyday, so dont give me that rubbish about outsourcing QF jobs to India. Oh and by the way. Outsourcing engineering has huge benefits as well, and Im taking quality
Qantas Pilots are quick to rubbish Jetconnect Pilots, however look at the stats. I would back a Jetconnect Pilot, SQ, EK, or any other majour Pilot vs QF anyday, so dont give me that rubbish about outsourcing QF jobs to India. Oh and by the way. Outsourcing engineering has huge benefits as well, and Im taking quality
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Well, at the Directions hearing today, Justice Jacobson ordered that a full court of the Fed Court will commence hearing on Feb 13 2012 (pretty quick for Fed Court standards). Hearings will probably last a while though, hopefully not as long as the Jetconnect case....
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Absolute waste of members money!
. But if the Senate Hearing is anything to go by, it will be a farce.
The biggest problem with all the Senate Hearings is that the Senators do not know which questions to ask. QF folk won't get away with this in court and are probably sh
ing themselves. No much will get past a QC and council assisting.
Absolute waste of members money!
Maybe the court should decide how much of a waste of money it really is...
Or are you guys a little scared of the public record and what might get onto it in court? Which could then find its way into a newspaper or another Senate Enquiry? What a tangle web we weave............
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No it won't be. The adavantage in court is that you will have expert coucil assisting who will pickup on any BS that is sprouted.
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Since the FWA ruling was a judicial ruling the appeal to the courts must focus on some error factual or procedural in the original ruling. It is not simple rolling the dice again and seeing what happens.
The Court however will give the AIPA a forum to air (no pun intended)issues, just as the Jetconnect case did.
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Keg, I wouldnt take any notice of pipkin..another loud mouthed Kiwi who has a chip on his shoulder and has an issue with anything to do with Australia like his mates....his country is a banana republic and a basket case..he'd be over in Australia in a flash like his many Kiwi counterparts to get a job..knowing full well that Australia could provide him with better wages and a way of life only dreamt about by hobbits...
New Pipers previous post permeates precicely the same presence as the old piper piping company propaganda at the Chief Pipers pleasure over on Qrewroom (who pleasingly has not been permitted to pipe up presently) - WK
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Hmm. Let me see. Colleagues in the ADF. Discounted Qantas club membership. Colleagues in Airservices. Discounted Qantas club membership. Spend enough on your AMEX, discounted Qantas club memberhip. Colleagues in banking- Qantas club membership paid for by their employer. Colleagues in police services- discounted Qantas club membership. Qantas staff? Zip.
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Fitting that your reference is from Exodus.... what a lot of our passengers are doing 
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The punters are confused!
A Qantas pilot has told how his colleagues are becoming distracted in the cockpit because of ongoing concerns about job security at the carrier.
Qantas pilot Eytan Herson was speaking at an event hosted by the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) at the start of the Labor Party national conference in Sydney on Friday.
The ACTU was launching its 'Secure Jobs, Better Future' campaign to push for the federal Labor government to make it easier for the union to negotiate job security clauses.
"There's a range of responses we're going to be pursuing on the platform here," ACTU president Ged Kearney said.
Mr Herson, who is a member of the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) which has recently been involved in an industrial dispute with Qantas, said pilots are now leaving the airline because of job security concerns.
"For the past three years there has been a constant threat of redundancy," Mr Herson, a Qantas pilot of 13 years experience said.
"You do not want a distracted pilot on the flight deck for one important reason; in a instant a tragic error could occur, putting lives at risk.
"For a pilot, the ongoing job security concern is a constant distraction from our work that is not in the best interests of a company which prides itself on its safety record."
Ms Kearney said about 25 per cent of Australia's workforce is in casual employment and many others hold in insecure jobs.
"But what we're seeing is a really worrying trend of people being forced to be independent contractors, when they're really not" she said,
"They turn up to work every day, they do the same job, they've got the same boss, there's nothing independent whatsoever."
Qantas pilot Eytan Herson was speaking at an event hosted by the Australian Council of Trade Unions (ACTU) at the start of the Labor Party national conference in Sydney on Friday.
The ACTU was launching its 'Secure Jobs, Better Future' campaign to push for the federal Labor government to make it easier for the union to negotiate job security clauses.
"There's a range of responses we're going to be pursuing on the platform here," ACTU president Ged Kearney said.
Mr Herson, who is a member of the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) which has recently been involved in an industrial dispute with Qantas, said pilots are now leaving the airline because of job security concerns.
"For the past three years there has been a constant threat of redundancy," Mr Herson, a Qantas pilot of 13 years experience said.
"You do not want a distracted pilot on the flight deck for one important reason; in a instant a tragic error could occur, putting lives at risk.
"For a pilot, the ongoing job security concern is a constant distraction from our work that is not in the best interests of a company which prides itself on its safety record."
Ms Kearney said about 25 per cent of Australia's workforce is in casual employment and many others hold in insecure jobs.
"But what we're seeing is a really worrying trend of people being forced to be independent contractors, when they're really not" she said,
"They turn up to work every day, they do the same job, they've got the same boss, there's nothing independent whatsoever."
Before May, the image in the public arena regarding Qantas pilots was incredibly positive after the QF 32 incident endorsed by AJ in the media numerous times.
Suddenly, AJ, out of nowhere started attacking the pilots, confusing the public, calling them rouges, kamikazes etc. One minute, Q pilots where the best, the next villains, leading to stories like this...
Qantas’ current industrial strife is a worry to fans of the national carrier. Why is a newly arrived Irish CEO with an incomprehensible accent attacking the pilots, of all people, and calling them “rogues” and “kamikazes”.
Clearly Alan Joyce, 44, doesn’t understand Australians’ attachment to Qantas.
As far as passengers are concerned the pilots are royalty.
If they want a couple of free premium economy seats, they should be at the head of the queue.
Business class seems to be full of Qantas employees, anyway, so why shouldn’t the people who actually fly the plane get the odd freebie.
And if unionist Paul Howes gets membership of the exclusive Chairman’s Lounge, then soshould the pilots.
In any case, what the pilots really want is job security and a guarantee they won’t be replaced by cheap contract pilots from Asia.
That’s what the passengers want, too. Without its superbly skilled pilots, Qantas’ edge over its competitors vanishes. Its fares are more expensive but people have been willing to pay for safety, and the familiar Aussie friendliness of the flight attendants.
What Qantas has that no other airline has is what Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man famously said: “Qantas never crashed.” Although that’s not strictly true, Qantas has not had a fatality in 50 years.
We can attribute its safety record to the quality of its pilots, not to mention its engineers, also striking over job security—pilots such as 25-year Qantas veteran Richard de Crespigny who managed to land QF32 safely last year after an engine blew up mid-air, saving the lives of 466 passengers.
Qantas is not just another airline. It’s a national treasure. Australians feel ownership of the flying kangaroo. It’s certainly not like the gimcrack airline Ryanair from Joyce’s homeland, which is so cheap it plans to make passengers stand during flights so it can squeeze in more people, and to make them carry their own luggage to the plane.
Joyce should remember that without passengers he doesn’t have a business.
And while we’re at it, at the risk of appearing xenophobic, why is American amateur pilot John Travolta the face of Qantas? It makes no sense, and Americans, more than anyone, must be scratching their heads.
The real Qantas kamikaze - to be sure to be sure | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog
Clearly Alan Joyce, 44, doesn’t understand Australians’ attachment to Qantas.
As far as passengers are concerned the pilots are royalty.
If they want a couple of free premium economy seats, they should be at the head of the queue.
Business class seems to be full of Qantas employees, anyway, so why shouldn’t the people who actually fly the plane get the odd freebie.
And if unionist Paul Howes gets membership of the exclusive Chairman’s Lounge, then soshould the pilots.
In any case, what the pilots really want is job security and a guarantee they won’t be replaced by cheap contract pilots from Asia.
That’s what the passengers want, too. Without its superbly skilled pilots, Qantas’ edge over its competitors vanishes. Its fares are more expensive but people have been willing to pay for safety, and the familiar Aussie friendliness of the flight attendants.
What Qantas has that no other airline has is what Dustin Hoffman in Rain Man famously said: “Qantas never crashed.” Although that’s not strictly true, Qantas has not had a fatality in 50 years.
We can attribute its safety record to the quality of its pilots, not to mention its engineers, also striking over job security—pilots such as 25-year Qantas veteran Richard de Crespigny who managed to land QF32 safely last year after an engine blew up mid-air, saving the lives of 466 passengers.
Qantas is not just another airline. It’s a national treasure. Australians feel ownership of the flying kangaroo. It’s certainly not like the gimcrack airline Ryanair from Joyce’s homeland, which is so cheap it plans to make passengers stand during flights so it can squeeze in more people, and to make them carry their own luggage to the plane.
Joyce should remember that without passengers he doesn’t have a business.
And while we’re at it, at the risk of appearing xenophobic, why is American amateur pilot John Travolta the face of Qantas? It makes no sense, and Americans, more than anyone, must be scratching their heads.
The real Qantas kamikaze - to be sure to be sure | Daily Telegraph Miranda Devine Blog
After yesterday's Scoot announcement, Scoot choses Sydney for first international flights | Plane Talking I couldn't help thinking, with all this posturing from AJ about the importance of Asia for the survival of the Qantas brand, nothing concrete has eventuated other than Jetstar Japan.... sort of... then the grounding....
The punters are confused! It's a bloody mess, with no clear direction for Qantas as we head towards Christmas.
short flights long nights
It gives me the impression they where/are sort of "making it up as they went along"
HAVE TO GO TO ASIA!!!....Well maybe we dont/cant after all
GROUND THE AIRLINE.....Well, I did, but I cant really explain why
GIVE ROUTES TO BA....thats a game changer
CANCEL AIRCRAFT FOR QF AND GIVE NEW ONES TO JQ.....enough said
The words "ship without a rudder" come to mind
HAVE TO GO TO ASIA!!!....Well maybe we dont/cant after all
GROUND THE AIRLINE.....Well, I did, but I cant really explain why
GIVE ROUTES TO BA....thats a game changer
CANCEL AIRCRAFT FOR QF AND GIVE NEW ONES TO JQ.....enough said
The words "ship without a rudder" come to mind