New JQ Contract
Company email is on fire atm... currently 78 replies-to-all from one initial email to CEO and CP protesting these crap "contracts" and the safety implications of a toxic culture that is rapidly developing. CASA and the Senators will clearly get to see these, and the list is growing by the minute.
If anyone is silly enough to sign such awful deals, it appears they could be facing a snake pit.
If anyone is silly enough to sign such awful deals, it appears they could be facing a snake pit.
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I say bring it on.... Let them face the wrath....All cadets and new hires sighing these contracts must be banned from joining the union.... Why protect the ones that are bringing the industry to this
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Anyone care to share the emails??
Nothing better than the public domain for scrutiny! Or at the very least can someone please ensure that they get passed to the senators, ben sandilands, steve creedy, smh, the age, courier mail....
Suffer in your jocks Bruce Loosecannon!
Nothing better than the public domain for scrutiny! Or at the very least can someone please ensure that they get passed to the senators, ben sandilands, steve creedy, smh, the age, courier mail....
Suffer in your jocks Bruce Loosecannon!
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It will all change dramatically when the first 320 piloted by a teenage F/O spears in...
Perhaps the Nupties who are CEOing Australian operators (and the good Senators) should Google Al Haynes and Chesley Sullenberger. That is where they may see the benefit of retaining skilled and experienced Pilots. Just these 2 Pilots alone had almost 50 000 hours flying experience between them and saved the lives of close to 300 punters....say no more.
Perhaps the Nupties who are CEOing Australian operators (and the good Senators) should Google Al Haynes and Chesley Sullenberger. That is where they may see the benefit of retaining skilled and experienced Pilots. Just these 2 Pilots alone had almost 50 000 hours flying experience between them and saved the lives of close to 300 punters....say no more.
Can somebody please post the contract in full and most especially the regulations as well?
I really want to look for a couple of clauses I suspect might be there (I won't tell you what they are just now).
This contract has all the hallmarks of a certain legal firm, and if it is crafted in the detail I suspect, then there are a number of steps that can be taken that I won't explain here now.
I really want to look for a couple of clauses I suspect might be there (I won't tell you what they are just now).
This contract has all the hallmarks of a certain legal firm, and if it is crafted in the detail I suspect, then there are a number of steps that can be taken that I won't explain here now.
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Geez
From post #1
Gross Salary After Deductions: AU$46,056
Gross Salary After Deductions: AU$46,056
And wait for it......... Drum roll please
With Swannys latest tax brackets that will place you in the magical
37k - 80k income and thus you will be slugged %30 on each dollar
Makes this more so appealing. NOT
Anyway have the number for Truck Master School ?
What next ? Geez wont be long before they dream up the idea to get unpaid PPL's in the right hand seat and ask for donations for flying they get.
110 emails is probably about 9% of the pilot body. I don't work for Jet*, thank goodness, clearly now I never will, but from a mates numbers of the group this is about right. Keep it going boys.
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Jetstar's abuse and contempt for it's current & future officers of the company are in stark contrast to the touchy feely HR interview questions hurled at future pilots
"tell me when you experienced conflict in the flightdeck?" ...um ah...
"how dd you manage this conflict?" ..um ah..
"give me 3 examples of when you used teamwork to achieve a goal?" ..um ah..
Sit back and watch Jetstar management instigate conflict, conquer and divide, whilst the spineless senior management pilots who should set an example look to their own backyards.
Onya Jetstar
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"tell me when you experienced conflict in the flightdeck?" ...um ah...
"how dd you manage this conflict?" ..um ah..
"give me 3 examples of when you used teamwork to achieve a goal?" ..um ah..
Sit back and watch Jetstar management instigate conflict, conquer and divide, whilst the spineless senior management pilots who should set an example look to their own backyards.
Onya Jetstar
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140 emails and one coming through every 8 minutes.......so if this trend continues thats 320 pissed off j* pilots.........50%of the workforce......
Are you listening Mark, Bruce and Alan......
Are you listening Mark, Bruce and Alan......
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Time for more Jetstar pilots to join the union.
People will accept the offers, hell 10 years ago Qantas pilots were saying this about Jetstar!! And its happening again. And this isnt the last company they will try and start up. They got away with Jetstar, they will probably get away with this one, and then they will undercut again.
People will accept the offers, hell 10 years ago Qantas pilots were saying this about Jetstar!! And its happening again. And this isnt the last company they will try and start up. They got away with Jetstar, they will probably get away with this one, and then they will undercut again.
Contracts read. I'm not a lawyer, but I was once asked to foist something similar on my workforce, which didn't happen in the end.
1. Join a union.
2. Get a good labor lawyer to read the stuff. You do have some rights, at least in Australia, even if the company tells you that you haven't.
My Two bobs worth is that it is so one sided it's most likely unenforceable, furthermore, the lack of any mediation clauses is likely to make an Australian judge very angry if a pilot brought the contract before him.
My advice to Jetstar would be "If you want to make your contract stronger, water it down."
1. Join a union.
2. Get a good labor lawyer to read the stuff. You do have some rights, at least in Australia, even if the company tells you that you haven't.
My Two bobs worth is that it is so one sided it's most likely unenforceable, furthermore, the lack of any mediation clauses is likely to make an Australian judge very angry if a pilot brought the contract before him.
My advice to Jetstar would be "If you want to make your contract stronger, water it down."
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The emails is now above 156 in numbers now!!
The number is rising by the minute!!! Up 8 emails while I've written this!!!
So very pleasing to see a lot of left hand seat drivers replying...and not short replies either(at least A4 in length).FO's replying in good numbers too.
All CC'd to J* CP, Aus J* CEO and AJ too.
I do note that a few have left BB out!!! No one wants to talk to him it seems.
Lots of pissed off guys and gals...
The number is rising by the minute!!! Up 8 emails while I've written this!!!
So very pleasing to see a lot of left hand seat drivers replying...and not short replies either(at least A4 in length).FO's replying in good numbers too.
All CC'd to J* CP, Aus J* CEO and AJ too.
I do note that a few have left BB out!!! No one wants to talk to him it seems.
Lots of pissed off guys and gals...
By 11 am this morning there are 170 email replies, many now including Alan Joyce in addition to CEO and CP. This has all been spontaneously from individuals - no orchestration here.
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Quite simple really guys and girls, there's nothing quite like a mass illness on one day by the pilot groupodor management to sit up and take note! Now that's a way to express concern whilst remaining within the contract!
News headline... Mysterious illness hits pilots in Jetstar, grounds over 100 flights...
Terrible
News headline... Mysterious illness hits pilots in Jetstar, grounds over 100 flights...
Terrible