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This is not round two. This is the main event. Qantas pilots, particularly junior pilots, need to be fully aware of the threat to their jobs.... note the word jobs there, not career. Your career was stuffed years ago.
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So let me get this straight.
Qantas Long-Haul pilots have not been on strike since 1966.
No BLF style, balaklava and base-ball bat negotiation tactics have been used.
Each time both the Union and the Management of the day had to agree to a negotiated proposal prior to submission to the rank and file members.(Am aware of arbitrated settlements from days gone by)
If the proposal ever got voted down ,back to negotiations and a new proposal, agreed to by both parties, would be re-submitted for a new vote.
So what exactly is Qantas Management now telling us?
Qantas pilots are too expensive and not efficient enough because the very same contract that Management have given tacit approval to ,over all these years is the root cause of Long-Hauls uncompetitiveness?
Would I be correct in summising from the Chief Pilots letter that Qantas Management are now so bereft of a business strategy apart from cost-cutting and off-shoring Aussie jobs onto cooly terms and conditions that they are no longer willing to negotiate on anything but their own agenda?.
In the same vein, even if Qantas pilots took this latest EBA inspired hyperbole at face value (pretty hard with 16% engagement levels amongst the line pilots) and the pilots were willing to take sizable pay cuts and worked a bit harder do you really think that Management would take their focus away from their off-shoring of jobs and guarantee their careers?
I wonder when the penny will finally drop?
Will the 500 odd Qantas pilots who will more than likely be retrenched , think about how many 767's and 747's that are mooted to be replaced come the introduction of the 787 ,finally wake up to the war that has been declared on them by Management?
If Management are not too careful the pilots might finally see themselves in a lose-lose situation with nothing to gain and say f*&k it ,if I'm going down then ........ (images of the russian retreat in Stalingrad come to mind, ie scorched earth policy)
Qantas Long-Haul pilots have not been on strike since 1966.
No BLF style, balaklava and base-ball bat negotiation tactics have been used.
Each time both the Union and the Management of the day had to agree to a negotiated proposal prior to submission to the rank and file members.(Am aware of arbitrated settlements from days gone by)
If the proposal ever got voted down ,back to negotiations and a new proposal, agreed to by both parties, would be re-submitted for a new vote.
So what exactly is Qantas Management now telling us?
Qantas pilots are too expensive and not efficient enough because the very same contract that Management have given tacit approval to ,over all these years is the root cause of Long-Hauls uncompetitiveness?
Would I be correct in summising from the Chief Pilots letter that Qantas Management are now so bereft of a business strategy apart from cost-cutting and off-shoring Aussie jobs onto cooly terms and conditions that they are no longer willing to negotiate on anything but their own agenda?.
In the same vein, even if Qantas pilots took this latest EBA inspired hyperbole at face value (pretty hard with 16% engagement levels amongst the line pilots) and the pilots were willing to take sizable pay cuts and worked a bit harder do you really think that Management would take their focus away from their off-shoring of jobs and guarantee their careers?
I wonder when the penny will finally drop?
Will the 500 odd Qantas pilots who will more than likely be retrenched , think about how many 767's and 747's that are mooted to be replaced come the introduction of the 787 ,finally wake up to the war that has been declared on them by Management?
If Management are not too careful the pilots might finally see themselves in a lose-lose situation with nothing to gain and say f*&k it ,if I'm going down then ........ (images of the russian retreat in Stalingrad come to mind, ie scorched earth policy)
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From Ben Sandilands - if not already posted
Plane Talking
Speaks for itself. (sorry if already posted)
Have to agree, but believe this time you guys have a lot support with the public and within the industry. Think about all the great work QF pilots have demonstrated saving the "face of Qantas" with the recent events in SIN, LAX MNL Etc, all well covered in the media. Even the Q management guys calling this chess game (when the heat was on) praised its pilots professionalism and one of QFs biggest assets. They are hypocrites! The public would get this message easily, if handled right!
It is my view, AJ is going to have his last stand over his continual dehumanising of the mainline staff under the banner of cutbacks. There has been 10 years of this cutback cycle which leaves QF in this position we see today.
AJ, airlines are a people business as well.
Fighting words by Qantas and its pilots
February 9, 2011 – 7:56 pm, by Ben Sandilands
A meeting between the senior management of Qantas and the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) this afternoon has been followed by grim words on both sides.
Qantas reaffirmed that “The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive”.
The president of AIPA, Captain Barry Jackson, said “We are perplexed by their total rejection of any commitment to job security for our pilots linked to a reduced pay claim and substantial productivity improvements.”
Jackson made his comments in an interview after the meeting while Qantas circulated a detailed statement which is reproduced below at the end of this report.
AIPA will now hold meetings of its pilots in Sydney on Friday and Melbourne on Monday “asking the members what they now want their representatives to do to pursue their constructive wish for job security and workplace improvements that will make Qantas stronger,” Jackson said.
“The question needs to asked of Qantas as to why they seem prepared to let go of an investment in training of pilots to the highest standards of any airline by outsourcing piloting and fleet overseas and transferring assets to Jetstar to the detriment of the Qantas brand.”
Fighting words, not restricted to the pilot side of the issues at all.
This is the Qantas statement that was widely circulated In the company this evening.
February 9, 2011 – 7:56 pm, by Ben Sandilands
A meeting between the senior management of Qantas and the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) this afternoon has been followed by grim words on both sides.
Qantas reaffirmed that “The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive”.
The president of AIPA, Captain Barry Jackson, said “We are perplexed by their total rejection of any commitment to job security for our pilots linked to a reduced pay claim and substantial productivity improvements.”
Jackson made his comments in an interview after the meeting while Qantas circulated a detailed statement which is reproduced below at the end of this report.
AIPA will now hold meetings of its pilots in Sydney on Friday and Melbourne on Monday “asking the members what they now want their representatives to do to pursue their constructive wish for job security and workplace improvements that will make Qantas stronger,” Jackson said.
“The question needs to asked of Qantas as to why they seem prepared to let go of an investment in training of pilots to the highest standards of any airline by outsourcing piloting and fleet overseas and transferring assets to Jetstar to the detriment of the Qantas brand.”
Fighting words, not restricted to the pilot side of the issues at all.
This is the Qantas statement that was widely circulated In the company this evening.
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce met with an AIPA delegation earlier today, 9 February 2011. This was the latest in a planned series of meetings to identify common ground for initiatives to improve productivity in the long haul business. Normal EBA negotiations were suspended while these meetings occurred.
Unfortunately prior to the scheduled discussions today AIPA threatened industrial action in the national press:
“The Australian and International Pilots Association is prepared to limit annual pay rises to 2.5% in return for jobs guarantees, but warns that it will apply to take protected industrial action if the company rejects the claim.” (The Australian, 8 February 2011)
It is important to note that the overall wage claim from AIPA is not 2.5% pa as reported in the press. The combined effect of the annual and classification increases currently proposed by AIPA is 14.4% over three years. The combined effect of the wage claim, classification table and travel claims submitted by AIPA is a cost increase of approximately 26% over three years, equivalent to an 8.15% increase year on year.
AIPA has apparently also informed the national press that it has claimed a Group wide seniority list, but no such claim has actually been made to the Company. Other AIPA claims are divisive and would potentially result in other Group pilots being made redundant before a mainline pilot could be assigned accrued leave. The claim to require mainline terms and conditions in other Group companies is untenable.
At today’s meeting Alan reiterated the points already made to AIPA in previous meetings. In particular:
1. Qantas is a great brand; the Group is committed to seeking to strengthen and grow the Qantas brand, but this has to be on the basis of the long haul business being profitable and returning its cost of capital.
2. Qantas will not agree to a clause in the long haul EBA that attempts to regulate wages in other Group companies or which would effectively prevent commercial codeshares with other Group companies (this is part of what AIPA refers to as its ‘job security claim’). The threat to the Qantas long haul business is from full service competitors such as Singapore Airlines and the Middle Eastern carriers; it is not from Jetstar.
3. Qantas is responsible for its own future and has to get its own house in order.
4. The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive.
All claims in the current long haul bargaining round will be assessed by Qantas against a couple of simple but critical criteria:
• Will the change increase productivity and flexibility?
• Will the change make the long haul business more competitive?
This is not about reducing wages for current Qantas pilots. It is about reducing costs by increasing productivity.
Today’s meeting was not productive. AIPA is seeking commitments under the heading of ‘job security’ that in practice would have precisely the opposite effect. The only way to secure jobs for Qantas pilots is to make Qantas competitive and profitable.
The path of industrial action threatened in the national press by AIPA is counterproductive and a destructive diversion from the real task at hand.
Qantas remains committed to working with pilots on initiatives to secure the long-term future of the international business.
Later the war of words led to emails to AIPA members pulling apart the figures quoted in the Qantas statement as bogus and including these statements:Unfortunately prior to the scheduled discussions today AIPA threatened industrial action in the national press:
“The Australian and International Pilots Association is prepared to limit annual pay rises to 2.5% in return for jobs guarantees, but warns that it will apply to take protected industrial action if the company rejects the claim.” (The Australian, 8 February 2011)
It is important to note that the overall wage claim from AIPA is not 2.5% pa as reported in the press. The combined effect of the annual and classification increases currently proposed by AIPA is 14.4% over three years. The combined effect of the wage claim, classification table and travel claims submitted by AIPA is a cost increase of approximately 26% over three years, equivalent to an 8.15% increase year on year.
AIPA has apparently also informed the national press that it has claimed a Group wide seniority list, but no such claim has actually been made to the Company. Other AIPA claims are divisive and would potentially result in other Group pilots being made redundant before a mainline pilot could be assigned accrued leave. The claim to require mainline terms and conditions in other Group companies is untenable.
At today’s meeting Alan reiterated the points already made to AIPA in previous meetings. In particular:
1. Qantas is a great brand; the Group is committed to seeking to strengthen and grow the Qantas brand, but this has to be on the basis of the long haul business being profitable and returning its cost of capital.
2. Qantas will not agree to a clause in the long haul EBA that attempts to regulate wages in other Group companies or which would effectively prevent commercial codeshares with other Group companies (this is part of what AIPA refers to as its ‘job security claim’). The threat to the Qantas long haul business is from full service competitors such as Singapore Airlines and the Middle Eastern carriers; it is not from Jetstar.
3. Qantas is responsible for its own future and has to get its own house in order.
4. The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive.
All claims in the current long haul bargaining round will be assessed by Qantas against a couple of simple but critical criteria:
• Will the change increase productivity and flexibility?
• Will the change make the long haul business more competitive?
This is not about reducing wages for current Qantas pilots. It is about reducing costs by increasing productivity.
Today’s meeting was not productive. AIPA is seeking commitments under the heading of ‘job security’ that in practice would have precisely the opposite effect. The only way to secure jobs for Qantas pilots is to make Qantas competitive and profitable.
The path of industrial action threatened in the national press by AIPA is counterproductive and a destructive diversion from the real task at hand.
Qantas remains committed to working with pilots on initiatives to secure the long-term future of the international business.
AIPA has been informed that regardless of any efficiencies we are willing to provide, no formal job security provision will ever be given. In other words, “no matter how low you go, they will always look for someone cheaper”.
With this in mind, at these meetings AIPA will confirm the direction from its members in regards to action to be taken. It is expected a discussion on Protected Industrial Action will take place….
Qantas is unwilling to guarantee to pilots and to the public, that Qantas flights will be flown by Australian Qantas pilots. No matter what the pay claim is (which we say is reasonable and less than the claims of most unions at 2.5%), this company refuses to address the job security concerns of it’s pilots and the concerns of the public to not offshore Qantas pilots jobs!
With this in mind, at these meetings AIPA will confirm the direction from its members in regards to action to be taken. It is expected a discussion on Protected Industrial Action will take place….
Qantas is unwilling to guarantee to pilots and to the public, that Qantas flights will be flown by Australian Qantas pilots. No matter what the pay claim is (which we say is reasonable and less than the claims of most unions at 2.5%), this company refuses to address the job security concerns of it’s pilots and the concerns of the public to not offshore Qantas pilots jobs!
This is the main event. Qantas pilots, particularly junior pilots, need to be fully aware of the threat to their jobs.... note the word jobs
It is my view, AJ is going to have his last stand over his continual dehumanising of the mainline staff under the banner of cutbacks. There has been 10 years of this cutback cycle which leaves QF in this position we see today.
AJ, airlines are a people business as well.
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Who's Pulling the Strings?
Qantas pilots are planning industrial action after a push for a new pay deal and job security broke down today.
The talks between the pilots union and senior managers led by chief executive Alan Joyce failed with both sides unable to agree on any issue.
In a statement tonight, the The Australian International Airline Pilots Association said Qantas was not prepared to work with its members to provide written job security provisions in return for improved flexibility and productivity.
The union, which represents 2300 pilots employed by the airline, has called meetings of its members in Sydney on Friday and in Melbourne next Monday.
It said management had informed the delegation today that regardless of any efficiencies that pilots offered, no formal job security provision would be written into their agreement with the airline.
Members attending the meetings were expected to discuss how any form of industrial action would proceed, the union said.
Qantas chief pilot Pete Wilson, who attended the meeting as a representative of the airline, said the union’s claims were divisive. He argued that management was not planning to reduce wages but was seeking to reduce costs by increasing productivity.
“Today’s meeting was not productive. AIAPA is seeking commitments under the heading of ‘job security’ that in practice would have precisely the opposite effect,” Capt Wilson said.
“The only way to secure jobs for Qantas pilots is to make Qantas competitive and profitable”.
Cpt Wilson said the combined effect of what the union was seeking would give the pilots a 26 per cent increase in pay and other benefits over three years, equivalent to an 8.15 per cent increase year on year – not the 2.5 per cent they are claiming.
So who is pulling Joyce's Strings?
Smacks of Clifford and Oldmeadow
This is not heading in the right direction
The talks between the pilots union and senior managers led by chief executive Alan Joyce failed with both sides unable to agree on any issue.
In a statement tonight, the The Australian International Airline Pilots Association said Qantas was not prepared to work with its members to provide written job security provisions in return for improved flexibility and productivity.
The union, which represents 2300 pilots employed by the airline, has called meetings of its members in Sydney on Friday and in Melbourne next Monday.
It said management had informed the delegation today that regardless of any efficiencies that pilots offered, no formal job security provision would be written into their agreement with the airline.
Members attending the meetings were expected to discuss how any form of industrial action would proceed, the union said.
Qantas chief pilot Pete Wilson, who attended the meeting as a representative of the airline, said the union’s claims were divisive. He argued that management was not planning to reduce wages but was seeking to reduce costs by increasing productivity.
“Today’s meeting was not productive. AIAPA is seeking commitments under the heading of ‘job security’ that in practice would have precisely the opposite effect,” Capt Wilson said.
“The only way to secure jobs for Qantas pilots is to make Qantas competitive and profitable”.
Cpt Wilson said the combined effect of what the union was seeking would give the pilots a 26 per cent increase in pay and other benefits over three years, equivalent to an 8.15 per cent increase year on year – not the 2.5 per cent they are claiming.
So who is pulling Joyce's Strings?
Smacks of Clifford and Oldmeadow
This is not heading in the right direction
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Ben Sandilands wrote:
A meeting between the senior management of Qantas and the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) this afternoon has been followed by grim words on both sides.
Qantas reaffirmed that “The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive”.
The president of AIPA, Captain Barry Jackson, said “We are perplexed by their total rejection of any commitment to job security for our pilots linked to a reduced pay claim and substantial productivity improvements.”
Jackson made his comments in an interview after the meeting while Qantas circulated a detailed statement which is reproduced below at the end of this report.
AIPA will now hold meetings of its pilots in Sydney on Friday and Melbourne on Monday “asking the members what they now want their representatives to do to pursue their constructive wish for job security and workplace improvements that will make Qantas stronger,” Jackson said.
“The question needs to asked of Qantas as to why they seem prepared to let go of an investment in training of pilots to the highest standards of any airline by outsourcing piloting and fleet overseas and transferring assets to Jetstar to the detriment of the Qantas brand.”
Fighting words, not restricted to the pilot side of the issues at all.
This is the Qantas statement that was widely circulated In the company this evening.
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce met with an AIPA delegation earlier today, 9 February 2011. This was the latest in a planned series of meetings to identify common ground for initiatives to improve productivity in the long haul business. Normal EBA negotiations were suspended while these meetings occurred.
Unfortunately prior to the scheduled discussions today AIPA threatened industrial action in the national press:
“The Australian and International Pilots Association is prepared to limit annual pay rises to 2.5% in return for jobs guarantees, but warns that it will apply to take protected industrial action if the company rejects the claim.” (The Australian, 8 February 2011)
It is important to note that the overall wage claim from AIPA is not 2.5% pa as reported in the press. The combined effect of the annual and classification increases currently proposed by AIPA is 14.4% over three years. The combined effect of the wage claim, classification table and travel claims submitted by AIPA is a cost increase of approximately 26% over three years, equivalent to an 8.15% increase year on year.
AIPA has apparently also informed the national press that it has claimed a Group wide seniority list, but no such claim has actually been made to the Company. Other AIPA claims are divisive and would potentially result in other Group pilots being made redundant before a mainline pilot could be assigned accrued leave. The claim to require mainline terms and conditions in other Group companies is untenable.
At today’s meeting Alan reiterated the points already made to AIPA in previous meetings. In particular:
1. Qantas is a great brand; the Group is committed to seeking to strengthen and grow the Qantas brand, but this has to be on the basis of the long haul business being profitable and returning its cost of capital.
2. Qantas will not agree to a clause in the long haul EBA that attempts to regulate wages in other Group companies or which would effectively prevent commercial codeshares with other Group companies (this is part of what AIPA refers to as its ‘job security claim’). The threat to the Qantas long haul business is from full service competitors such as Singapore Airlines and the Middle Eastern carriers; it is not from Jetstar.
3. Qantas is responsible for its own future and has to get its own house in order.
4. The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive.
All claims in the current long haul bargaining round will be assessed by Qantas against a couple of simple but critical criteria:
• Will the change increase productivity and flexibility?
• Will the change make the long haul business more competitive?
This is not about reducing wages for current Qantas pilots. It is about reducing costs by increasing productivity.
Today’s meeting was not productive. AIPA is seeking commitments under the heading of ‘job security’ that in practice would have precisely the opposite effect. The only way to secure jobs for Qantas pilots is to make Qantas competitive and profitable.
The path of industrial action threatened in the national press by AIPA is counterproductive and a destructive diversion from the real task at hand.
Qantas remains committed to working with pilots on initiatives to secure the long-term future of the international business.
Later the war of words led to emails to AIPA members pulling apart the figures quoted in the Qantas statement as bogus and including these statements:
AIPA has been informed that regardless of any efficiencies we are willing to provide, no formal job security provision will ever be given. In other words, “no matter how low you go, they will always look for someone cheaper”.
With this in mind, at these meetings AIPA will confirm the direction from its members in regards to action to be taken. It is expected a discussion on Protected Industrial Action will take place….
Qantas is unwilling to guarantee to pilots and to the public, that Qantas flights will be flown by Australian Qantas pilots. No matter what the pay claim is (which we say is reasonable and less than the claims of most unions at 2.5%), this company refuses to address the job security concerns of it’s pilots and the concerns of the public to not offshore Qantas pilots jobs!
A meeting between the senior management of Qantas and the Australian and International Pilots Association (AIPA) this afternoon has been followed by grim words on both sides.
Qantas reaffirmed that “The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive”.
The president of AIPA, Captain Barry Jackson, said “We are perplexed by their total rejection of any commitment to job security for our pilots linked to a reduced pay claim and substantial productivity improvements.”
Jackson made his comments in an interview after the meeting while Qantas circulated a detailed statement which is reproduced below at the end of this report.
AIPA will now hold meetings of its pilots in Sydney on Friday and Melbourne on Monday “asking the members what they now want their representatives to do to pursue their constructive wish for job security and workplace improvements that will make Qantas stronger,” Jackson said.
“The question needs to asked of Qantas as to why they seem prepared to let go of an investment in training of pilots to the highest standards of any airline by outsourcing piloting and fleet overseas and transferring assets to Jetstar to the detriment of the Qantas brand.”
Fighting words, not restricted to the pilot side of the issues at all.
This is the Qantas statement that was widely circulated In the company this evening.
Qantas CEO Alan Joyce met with an AIPA delegation earlier today, 9 February 2011. This was the latest in a planned series of meetings to identify common ground for initiatives to improve productivity in the long haul business. Normal EBA negotiations were suspended while these meetings occurred.
Unfortunately prior to the scheduled discussions today AIPA threatened industrial action in the national press:
“The Australian and International Pilots Association is prepared to limit annual pay rises to 2.5% in return for jobs guarantees, but warns that it will apply to take protected industrial action if the company rejects the claim.” (The Australian, 8 February 2011)
It is important to note that the overall wage claim from AIPA is not 2.5% pa as reported in the press. The combined effect of the annual and classification increases currently proposed by AIPA is 14.4% over three years. The combined effect of the wage claim, classification table and travel claims submitted by AIPA is a cost increase of approximately 26% over three years, equivalent to an 8.15% increase year on year.
AIPA has apparently also informed the national press that it has claimed a Group wide seniority list, but no such claim has actually been made to the Company. Other AIPA claims are divisive and would potentially result in other Group pilots being made redundant before a mainline pilot could be assigned accrued leave. The claim to require mainline terms and conditions in other Group companies is untenable.
At today’s meeting Alan reiterated the points already made to AIPA in previous meetings. In particular:
1. Qantas is a great brand; the Group is committed to seeking to strengthen and grow the Qantas brand, but this has to be on the basis of the long haul business being profitable and returning its cost of capital.
2. Qantas will not agree to a clause in the long haul EBA that attempts to regulate wages in other Group companies or which would effectively prevent commercial codeshares with other Group companies (this is part of what AIPA refers to as its ‘job security claim’). The threat to the Qantas long haul business is from full service competitors such as Singapore Airlines and the Middle Eastern carriers; it is not from Jetstar.
3. Qantas is responsible for its own future and has to get its own house in order.
4. The international business is not sustainable in its current form and change is imperative for it to survive.
All claims in the current long haul bargaining round will be assessed by Qantas against a couple of simple but critical criteria:
• Will the change increase productivity and flexibility?
• Will the change make the long haul business more competitive?
This is not about reducing wages for current Qantas pilots. It is about reducing costs by increasing productivity.
Today’s meeting was not productive. AIPA is seeking commitments under the heading of ‘job security’ that in practice would have precisely the opposite effect. The only way to secure jobs for Qantas pilots is to make Qantas competitive and profitable.
The path of industrial action threatened in the national press by AIPA is counterproductive and a destructive diversion from the real task at hand.
Qantas remains committed to working with pilots on initiatives to secure the long-term future of the international business.
Later the war of words led to emails to AIPA members pulling apart the figures quoted in the Qantas statement as bogus and including these statements:
AIPA has been informed that regardless of any efficiencies we are willing to provide, no formal job security provision will ever be given. In other words, “no matter how low you go, they will always look for someone cheaper”.
With this in mind, at these meetings AIPA will confirm the direction from its members in regards to action to be taken. It is expected a discussion on Protected Industrial Action will take place….
Qantas is unwilling to guarantee to pilots and to the public, that Qantas flights will be flown by Australian Qantas pilots. No matter what the pay claim is (which we say is reasonable and less than the claims of most unions at 2.5%), this company refuses to address the job security concerns of it’s pilots and the concerns of the public to not offshore Qantas pilots jobs!
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The number of K.1.W.1's motoring around on Aus domestic sectors the last coupla weeks ... is .... well 
... the Trans Tasman trophy/s stand off's is/are gunna be a bit more of a joke
to watch/listen to 
... really
... (if that is possible) 
Unless of course ... The Aussies get some of that feral mongrel going
... it ain't limited to the grass pitch ewe's know 
... the Trans Tasman trophy/s stand off's is/are gunna be a bit more of a joke
to watch/listen to ... really
... (if that is possible) Unless of course ... The Aussies get some of that feral mongrel going
... it ain't limited to the grass pitch ewe's know
Job Security??
How can any employee in the country expect job security from a company? Ask any CEO how safe his position is and the Board will respond with "We are currently satisfied with the results being delivered by XXXX".
There are no guarantees in life, just death and taxes. How can anyone be surprised with the response from Joyce and Co. Wake up and realise that unless you can deliver productivity and savings, everyones position is under review, including senior management.
I once believed that I was indispensable, until I was told someone was cheaper!
How can any employee in the country expect job security from a company? Ask any CEO how safe his position is and the Board will respond with "We are currently satisfied with the results being delivered by XXXX".
There are no guarantees in life, just death and taxes. How can anyone be surprised with the response from Joyce and Co. Wake up and realise that unless you can deliver productivity and savings, everyones position is under review, including senior management.
I once believed that I was indispensable, until I was told someone was cheaper!
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maralinga, correct, QF's PR job is that much harder after recent events. Subsequent newspaper feature articles & publicity chronicling saves by QF pilots after a series of "unprecedented" mechanical events is not a strong hand for Qantas. Combine that with revelations of extortionate payouts to exec's (Dixon) & multi-million CEO packages, its going to be a tough sell.
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“Qantas pilots are too expensive and not efficient enough because the very same contract that Management have given tacit approval to ,over all these years is the root cause of Long-Hauls uncompetitiveness?”
QF, like most western incumbents, has been strong armed by belligerent labor unions into perpetuating pay and conditions inherited from a bygone era. The business environment has radically changed but employee work ethic has not.
QF must change to cope with carriers and levels of competition unheard of in previous decades.
I suggest that QF pilots should tread very carefully. The arrival of the 787 to replace a large chunk of the airlines wide body fleet could be the opportunity your managers will exploit.
QF, like most western incumbents, has been strong armed by belligerent labor unions into perpetuating pay and conditions inherited from a bygone era. The business environment has radically changed but employee work ethic has not.
QF must change to cope with carriers and levels of competition unheard of in previous decades.
I suggest that QF pilots should tread very carefully. The arrival of the 787 to replace a large chunk of the airlines wide body fleet could be the opportunity your managers will exploit.
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employee work ethic has not.
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QF, like most western incumbents, has been strong armed by belligerent labor unions into perpetuating pay and conditions inherited from a bygone era.
During my almost 20 years in the company we've never come close to PIA. We've had pilots that have applied to transfer to J* under lesser T&Cs, as per the MOU the company agreed to, and this has been denied. After an ultimatum from the company to save $8m or face redundancies, the required savings were organised quickly with minimum fuss (only to have it handed straight to GD).
None of this sounds very belligerent to me.
I suggest that QF pilots should tread very carefully. The arrival of the 787 to replace a large chunk of the airlines wide body fleet could be the opportunity your managers will exploit.
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As someone who has put his 17 year old daughter on a Qantas long haul flight (un-accompanied) for the past 8 years, I believe that a Qantas pilot is worth every cent that you earn. I hope you fellas believe that too.
It is me that has paid for that airfare (willingly) every year that Qantas has made a profit. What has changed?
In years past I believe that most Australians have been immensely proud of the Qantas brand.
I don't take too kindly to watching Joyce destroy my Airline. There were and are better qualified Australians that could manage this business without resorting to something that anybody could do (cutting costs).
Good Luck
It is me that has paid for that airfare (willingly) every year that Qantas has made a profit. What has changed?
In years past I believe that most Australians have been immensely proud of the Qantas brand.
I don't take too kindly to watching Joyce destroy my Airline. There were and are better qualified Australians that could manage this business without resorting to something that anybody could do (cutting costs).
Good Luck