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So as someone who got into this game with the plan of one day flying for the big Q, should I give up on the dream and choose a different path?
The majority of the posts here don't paint a rosy future.
The majority of the posts here don't paint a rosy future.
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Strim,
There will be a lot of dick swinging from both sides in the next few months. Modern management call it 'negotiation'. At the end of the day there will still be an airline and there will also be an agreement on conditions that both QF and its pilots have both signed off on.
Keep flying and try to read through the media articles.
There will be a lot of dick swinging from both sides in the next few months. Modern management call it 'negotiation'. At the end of the day there will still be an airline and there will also be an agreement on conditions that both QF and its pilots have both signed off on.
Keep flying and try to read through the media articles.
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Hold on doomsdayers!!
There's alot of water to go under the bridge before 500 pilots are retrenched!! Think of all the retraining costs the company would incur..
All 737 Perth FO's,
Most A330 SO's
Alot of A380 SO's
Some SYD 737/767 FO's
Some MEL 737/767 FO's
A few BNE 737 FO's
This is a massive cost..one which the company im sure would rather avoid!!
Unfortunately, it will be necessary for action to be taken. My thoughts are that Joyce and his Morons dont think we have the solidarity to do it. I'm sure he will be proved wrong.
For all you Jetstar folks...don't for one second think you're immune/safe. As FSO/136 showed...you're only a few years behind us in finding yourselves in the same position.....
Interesting to see how this plays out in the media. The events of recent times are still fresh in peoples minds. I have no doubt it will also be made known that when punters buy a ticket on QF to cross the Tasman, thay are not flying with QANTAS pilots.....which is something many consider when choosing QF.
Unfortunately, I think QF will come out looking rather bad. Hopefully, Joyce and the idiots on the board will come out looking even worse. Time for a clean out.
There's alot of water to go under the bridge before 500 pilots are retrenched!! Think of all the retraining costs the company would incur..
All 737 Perth FO's,
Most A330 SO's
Alot of A380 SO's
Some SYD 737/767 FO's
Some MEL 737/767 FO's
A few BNE 737 FO's
This is a massive cost..one which the company im sure would rather avoid!!
Unfortunately, it will be necessary for action to be taken. My thoughts are that Joyce and his Morons dont think we have the solidarity to do it. I'm sure he will be proved wrong.
For all you Jetstar folks...don't for one second think you're immune/safe. As FSO/136 showed...you're only a few years behind us in finding yourselves in the same position.....
Interesting to see how this plays out in the media. The events of recent times are still fresh in peoples minds. I have no doubt it will also be made known that when punters buy a ticket on QF to cross the Tasman, thay are not flying with QANTAS pilots.....which is something many consider when choosing QF.
Unfortunately, I think QF will come out looking rather bad. Hopefully, Joyce and the idiots on the board will come out looking even worse. Time for a clean out.
Tankengine :
Good question... I have heard from more than one source that his vision and Leigh Clifford's vision are vastly different and that his contract may not be renewed this year.
So, will Joyce be here in 2 years time?
Whispering "T" Jet
My thoughts are that Joyce and his Morons dont think we have the solidarity to do it. I'm sure he will be proved wrong.
However, Oldmeadow and Coysh thought the same about the Ansett pilots (no solidarity) and we know what the end result of that was.
I forsee Protected Industrial Action from the union and some private IA from individuals.
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Has anyone notice how many EBA negotiations are being taken place by qantas at the time? Qantas long haul, qantas lame, eastern pilots, eastern fa (soon), eastern tamworth engineers, sunstate engineers, sunstate fa...etc And around the corner, theres the sunstate pilots as well.
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...which is precisely why Alan Joyce has come out with the announcement about the company's future when he did.
Has anyone notice how many EBA negotiations are being taken place by qantas at the time? Qantas long haul, qantas lame, eastern pilots, eastern fa (soon), eastern tamworth engineers, sunstate engineers, sunstate fa...etc And around the corner, theres the sunstate pilots as well.
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FED SEC, you pose a very important question. Say Qantas were to enter bankruptcy, what would happen to the wholly subsidiaries. Would it be possible shareholders receive shares in any new entity, a Jetstar Group holding company? Would the Qantas sale act be extinguished? Could Qantas name be sold to holding company for re-branding? Hypothetically speaking
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Has anyone notice how many EBA negotiations are being taken place by qantas at the time? Qantas long haul, qantas lame, eastern pilots, eastern fa (soon), eastern tamworth engineers, sunstate engineers, sunstate fa...etc And around the corner, theres the sunstate pilots as well.
...which is precisely why Alan Joyce has come out with the announcement about the company's future when he did.
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Has anyone notice how many EBA negotiations are being taken place by qantas at the time? Qantas long haul, qantas lame, eastern pilots, eastern fa (soon), eastern tamworth engineers, sunstate engineers, sunstate fa...etc And around the corner, theres the sunstate pilots as well.
...which is precisely why Alan Joyce has come out with the announcement about the company's future when he did.
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BB,
While I hear where you're coming from, I can't believe that any sane board member would see this as a good strategy. If Qantas, the core brand of the company, was allowed to go bankrupt I don't think anyone in senior management would survive the backlash from the shareholders, government and Australian public, IMHO.
While I hear where you're coming from, I can't believe that any sane board member would see this as a good strategy. If Qantas, the core brand of the company, was allowed to go bankrupt I don't think anyone in senior management would survive the backlash from the shareholders, government and Australian public, IMHO.
Trouble is Steve that it seems that it's only your boys who have had the cojones to take them on and win.
Your lot saw off scrotum face much to the delight of the rank and file.
The union representing my interests (LH FAAA) is run as an autocracy with the person in charge seemingly without principle and acquiescent to the companies every whim.
What a dream it would be to see all the QF unions unite as one in the face of what appears to be the management driven dismantling of our once proud company....
Your lot saw off scrotum face much to the delight of the rank and file.
The union representing my interests (LH FAAA) is run as an autocracy with the person in charge seemingly without principle and acquiescent to the companies every whim.
What a dream it would be to see all the QF unions unite as one in the face of what appears to be the management driven dismantling of our once proud company....
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LH pilots are ready to stand up. Just heard that Eastern AIPA members have voted 100% in favour of action. I will be in the crowd at the pilots meetings if you have any questions.
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Thanks for the comments 'holic & FED SEC, I'll just considering (aloud) all the outlier possibilities because I cannot fathom where this strategy is leading. It must make sense in some realm. From the outside it seems like a path to destroying the company...
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From the outside it seems like a path to destroying the company...
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I agree, it's like watching a train crash in slow motion. For the life of me I can't understand how management allowing the perception that mainline is not viable, not as safe as it was, that Jetstar is a realistic replacement for international ops etc etc is helping the situation.
I know there are a few EAs coming up, but I would have thought that any gains made around the bargaining table from this would be more than offset by loss of consumer confidence in the brand.
Whilst we're on hypotheticals, how would FWA view compulsory redundancies in mainline when those employees had previously been denied the opportunity to transfer to J* ?
I know there are a few EAs coming up, but I would have thought that any gains made around the bargaining table from this would be more than offset by loss of consumer confidence in the brand.
Whilst we're on hypotheticals, how would FWA view compulsory redundancies in mainline when those employees had previously been denied the opportunity to transfer to J* ?