Jobs @ QF engineering perth
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Jobs @ QF engineering perth
Anyone got any info on QF jobs in in Perth. A & F or E, I & R.... Seems to have no closing date. I wonder how many people they will get considering you get paid 30K less than Virgin.
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MechanicaL LAME
Level 4 = $87595.27 incl shift(one type)
Level 5 = $93717.12 incl shift(two types)
Level 6 = $99822.46 incl shift(three types)
Level 7 = $105917.76 incl shift(four types)
Avionics LAME
Level 6 = $99822.46 incl shift(one type)
Level 7 = $105917.76 incl shift(two types)
Level 8 = $112040.32 incl shiftthree types)
Level 9 = $118241.10 incl shift(four types)
These are approx wages before overtime and not including "foreign operators" allowances.
Basic wage X 38% shift loading
Refer Fair Work Australia website for Qantas/ALAEA EBA 8
http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/agre...N085259566.pdf
Level 4 = $87595.27 incl shift(one type)
Level 5 = $93717.12 incl shift(two types)
Level 6 = $99822.46 incl shift(three types)
Level 7 = $105917.76 incl shift(four types)
Avionics LAME
Level 6 = $99822.46 incl shift(one type)
Level 7 = $105917.76 incl shift(two types)
Level 8 = $112040.32 incl shiftthree types)
Level 9 = $118241.10 incl shift(four types)
These are approx wages before overtime and not including "foreign operators" allowances.
Basic wage X 38% shift loading
Refer Fair Work Australia website for Qantas/ALAEA EBA 8
http://www.fwa.gov.au/documents/agre...N085259566.pdf
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How ridiculous is it that a new mechanical LAME at QF has to have 3 types to earn anywhere near the money 1 type will get you at Jet*. This is an issue that needs to be sorted out this EBA.
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And..........Virgin Tech
initial B1 restricted Yr 1 $117,572 ,Yr 2 $121,099 ,Yr 3 $124,731, Yr 4 $128,473 .
Full B1..... $131,992, $135,951, $140,029, $144,230
All 1 type. Extra $5500 per more type, extra $8000 for perm nights. Overtime time and a half.
From what I have found out Getting a job at either QF or Virgin is just as hard or just as easy for both of them.
initial B1 restricted Yr 1 $117,572 ,Yr 2 $121,099 ,Yr 3 $124,731, Yr 4 $128,473 .
Full B1..... $131,992, $135,951, $140,029, $144,230
All 1 type. Extra $5500 per more type, extra $8000 for perm nights. Overtime time and a half.
From what I have found out Getting a job at either QF or Virgin is just as hard or just as easy for both of them.
From what I have found out Getting a job at either QF or Virgin is just as hard or just as easy for both of them.
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Just to make these comparisons a bit clearer guys. The Virgin rates and the year 1,2,3,4 thing includes the 3%pay increase each year. As we speak the wages are -
Mech - $117,572
Av - $ 131,992
This is basically for a 40 hour working week.
The Qantas rates posted here are for a 38 hour week. The Qantas rates also see you move up each 4 years for experience. The Virgin system only sees you move if you get a new licence.
I just have a question for those calling for changes to fix the "problem" with the Qantas pay system. If you could elect now to go from your lower level straight to the Virgin equivalent wage rate (Mech 8 or Av 10) but you would lose the service point and ability to go up every 4 years, would you accept that?
Mech - $117,572
Av - $ 131,992
This is basically for a 40 hour working week.
The Qantas rates posted here are for a 38 hour week. The Qantas rates also see you move up each 4 years for experience. The Virgin system only sees you move if you get a new licence.
I just have a question for those calling for changes to fix the "problem" with the Qantas pay system. If you could elect now to go from your lower level straight to the Virgin equivalent wage rate (Mech 8 or Av 10) but you would lose the service point and ability to go up every 4 years, would you accept that?
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Lets put it in perspective:
If I join Virgin today with a 737NG licence I will get paid a base rate of $117,572 a year.
If I join QF today with a 737NG licence I will get paid a base rate of $87,595 a year. With no training by either company it would take me 5 grade jumps, or twenty years at QF, for the salaries to equalise.
That is a difference of $29,977 a year for the first 4 year period = $119,908.
And a difference of $23,854 a year for the second four year period = $95,416.
And a difference of $17,750 a year for the third four year period = $71,000.
And a difference of $11,655 a year for the fourth four year period = $46,620.
And a difference of $5,532 a year for the fifth four year period = $22,128.
That brings the earning capacity difference over the twenty year period to $355,072.
Yes I would accept that.
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If I join Virgin today with a 737NG licence I will get paid a base rate of $117,572 a year.
If I join QF today with a 737NG licence I will get paid a base rate of $87,595 a year. With no training by either company it would take me 5 grade jumps, or twenty years at QF, for the salaries to equalise.
That is a difference of $29,977 a year for the first 4 year period = $119,908.
And a difference of $23,854 a year for the second four year period = $95,416.
And a difference of $17,750 a year for the third four year period = $71,000.
And a difference of $11,655 a year for the fourth four year period = $46,620.
And a difference of $5,532 a year for the fifth four year period = $22,128.
That brings the earning capacity difference over the twenty year period to $355,072.
Yes I would accept that.
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It is a serious question I ask, it may form part of the negotiations and needs to be considered by our committee.
It's not 5 levels difference though as you need to take into account the extra 2 hours per week that if worked by a Qantas LAME would be at double time, 4 hours pay, almost 10% extra. Your break even point may be 12 or 16 years depending on circumstances.
It's not 5 levels difference though as you need to take into account the extra 2 hours per week that if worked by a Qantas LAME would be at double time, 4 hours pay, almost 10% extra. Your break even point may be 12 or 16 years depending on circumstances.
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I agree with Gas Bags,
Steve, even 12 or 16 years is ridiculous. I think this needs to be spelled out to QF lames and they will see that mathematically being on the virgin system is much fairer and rewarding. Of course i think guys above the level will disagree.
I ask this Question; Is the responsibility any different for a lame signing with 1 month experience to one with 20 years?
Steve, even 12 or 16 years is ridiculous. I think this needs to be spelled out to QF lames and they will see that mathematically being on the virgin system is much fairer and rewarding. Of course i think guys above the level will disagree.
I ask this Question; Is the responsibility any different for a lame signing with 1 month experience to one with 20 years?
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Of course the responsibility is the same. The LAME with 20 years experience however will be more likely to identify the cause of a defect quicker and know what component to change but the question I asked was all about remuneration. If you intend to stay with one employer, you would need to take a long term view of it.
We could ask at the negotiation table for two systems to run side by side. eg. you could opt out of the old one and stay in a fixed rate system.
I'd hate to see a bunch of whingers 16 years down the track complaining that they have been overtaken by someone who stayed in the old.
We could ask at the negotiation table for two systems to run side by side. eg. you could opt out of the old one and stay in a fixed rate system.
I'd hate to see a bunch of whingers 16 years down the track complaining that they have been overtaken by someone who stayed in the old.
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An annualised salary at QF would go a long way to bridging the gap too.
Especially for the younger blokes that are trying to buy houses etc. Most banks won't consider your shift penalties under the QF system when it comes down to how much they will lend you.
It'd also be nice to be able to have the day off when I'm sick rather than draging myself in to save losing my penalties...
Especially for the younger blokes that are trying to buy houses etc. Most banks won't consider your shift penalties under the QF system when it comes down to how much they will lend you.
It'd also be nice to be able to have the day off when I'm sick rather than draging myself in to save losing my penalties...
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The current Qantas level/points system suits the guys in the system for 15-20 years already.
But the spread of highest level to lowest level is getting to be pretty huge. A majority of people are now level 9+ banging their heads on the level caps.
Level 4 to 9 for a newly licenced guy in Melbourne heavy maintenance for example is 20 years of service with no chance for other types ever and a relatively low shift penalty.
Opt in / Opt out I think is a good idea. The only ones who won't think its a good idea are the 9+'s. But I and many people I know aren't 9+ and would happily jump if it was possible.
The current system has fallen behind industry standards for someone with 1 or 2 types and less then 10-15 years in the EBA. It currently benefits guys working on the line who see all the types and have high shift penalty rates.
The current Qantas level/points system suits the guys in the system for 15-20 years already.
But the spread of highest level to lowest level is getting to be pretty huge. A majority of people are now level 9+ banging their heads on the level caps.
Level 4 to 9 for a newly licenced guy in Melbourne heavy maintenance for example is 20 years of service with no chance for other types ever and a relatively low shift penalty.
Opt in / Opt out I think is a good idea. The only ones who won't think its a good idea are the 9+'s. But I and many people I know aren't 9+ and would happily jump if it was possible.
The current system has fallen behind industry standards for someone with 1 or 2 types and less then 10-15 years in the EBA. It currently benefits guys working on the line who see all the types and have high shift penalty rates.
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" It currently benefits guys working on the line who see all the types and have high shift penalty rates."
It also currently helps the guy at QF who is sitting on Grade 9 with only redundant licences and because he has been with the company pre 1994 attracts a 15% shift penalty for day shift. This guy can be working in the same crew along side someone who is a level or 2 lower but has 3 current dual licences, doesn't get the 15% shift loading and has to sign for this blokes work.
Now that's a 2 tiered system if ever I heard of one.
Unfortunately I think it's something we're going to have to put up with. Be careful what you wish for.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
" It currently benefits guys working on the line who see all the types and have high shift penalty rates."
It also currently helps the guy at QF who is sitting on Grade 9 with only redundant licences and because he has been with the company pre 1994 attracts a 15% shift penalty for day shift. This guy can be working in the same crew along side someone who is a level or 2 lower but has 3 current dual licences, doesn't get the 15% shift loading and has to sign for this blokes work.
Now that's a 2 tiered system if ever I heard of one.
Unfortunately I think it's something we're going to have to put up with. Be careful what you wish for.
I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired.
