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Yeah I could ... but I'll summarize it for you in a simple digestible word CRAP!!! regardless where you pay tax.
Oh so you'll be able to tell us all exactly what these proposed T&C's are then?
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"WTF has HKG commuting got to do with this?"
Pointing out that a jetstar SIN pilot spending days off with the family in oz is no more liable for oz tax than a CX/KA pilot doing the same.
But thanks for your concern all the same.
Pointing out that a jetstar SIN pilot spending days off with the family in oz is no more liable for oz tax than a CX/KA pilot doing the same.
But thanks for your concern all the same.
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CRAP T&Cs
Firstly i am not a pilot.
But from what i read on this thread the T&Cs are crap.
Aviation in S'pore just doesn't pay anymore!
Some expats in business and banking in S'pore still get $7K SGD/mth apartments and $200K pa salaries, and more !
But Aviation pays poor.
Maybe if you're a young bloke with no strings attached, willing to give it a go to get some hours and experience, it may work for you.
But if you're married with kids forget it !
I hear Tiger Capts are getting $20K + a month for short term contracts.
Now thats more like it.
Good luck to all !
But from what i read on this thread the T&Cs are crap.
Aviation in S'pore just doesn't pay anymore!
Some expats in business and banking in S'pore still get $7K SGD/mth apartments and $200K pa salaries, and more !
But Aviation pays poor.
Maybe if you're a young bloke with no strings attached, willing to give it a go to get some hours and experience, it may work for you.
But if you're married with kids forget it !
I hear Tiger Capts are getting $20K + a month for short term contracts.
Now thats more like it.
Good luck to all !
Yeah I could ... but I'll summarize it for you in a simple digestible word CRAP!!! regardless where you pay tax.
I hear Tiger Capts are getting $20K + a month for short term contracts.
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If J* management were so proud of there T&Cs don't you think they would be publishing them on their website for all to see? All I can find is the Oz T&Cs which their bent on destorying.
In a nutshell: 8 days off in 28 days; No superannuation (well included in the base rate); Loss of Licence $50KUSD for FOs; Layover Allowance $5 SGD per duty hour for all duty hours either side of the overnight; guaranteed min 150 hours per quarter = $72000SGD hourly rate $120SGD; 5 weeks annual leave $2100SGD per week; sick leave 14 days pay built into base rate; merit based promotion; no other allowances, penalties, yearly bonuses. If you dont have an A330 endorsement it comes out of your pay roughly around $20000SGD pa for just under 3 years. Enjoy living in Singas
Is that RAW enough for you BP?
In a nutshell: 8 days off in 28 days; No superannuation (well included in the base rate); Loss of Licence $50KUSD for FOs; Layover Allowance $5 SGD per duty hour for all duty hours either side of the overnight; guaranteed min 150 hours per quarter = $72000SGD hourly rate $120SGD; 5 weeks annual leave $2100SGD per week; sick leave 14 days pay built into base rate; merit based promotion; no other allowances, penalties, yearly bonuses. If you dont have an A330 endorsement it comes out of your pay roughly around $20000SGD pa for just under 3 years. Enjoy living in Singas
Is that RAW enough for you BP?
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I think you will find thats for the f/o's. The capt deal is base 10k per month, with $200 p/hr over 50 from then on. Rough figures for a skipper are 195-200k sing for 850 hrs per yr.(including the yearly bonuses ) The BIG difference is J* are not providing any rental/housing or schooling assistance.
Schooling is expensive, and rent will cost around 3500-4500p/mth for a nice 2 bedroom place.
From what I have heard, the guys going are moving up, taking families etc with them, as the company made it very clear they will not make a commuting roster. All this rubbish about guys coming home for days off is simply garbage. (Besides, if they did they would be doing the same very dodgy thing as all the CX guys that are based in HKG but live in Aust with their families currently do).
You will be employed by J* asia,not J* aust.
I know one of the guys who was looking at the deal and he found out a few more of the facts.
The funny thing is, I hear 2 guys who are going up are in fact current EBA 330 skippers!!!, so things must be really bad at home if they going one would imagine???!!! The other thing he mentioned is that they have more than enough guys willing/wanting to go.
As I have said before, just make sure you get all the facts, and seek proper advice before jumping if it applies to you.....
Schooling is expensive, and rent will cost around 3500-4500p/mth for a nice 2 bedroom place.
From what I have heard, the guys going are moving up, taking families etc with them, as the company made it very clear they will not make a commuting roster. All this rubbish about guys coming home for days off is simply garbage. (Besides, if they did they would be doing the same very dodgy thing as all the CX guys that are based in HKG but live in Aust with their families currently do).
You will be employed by J* asia,not J* aust.
I know one of the guys who was looking at the deal and he found out a few more of the facts.
The funny thing is, I hear 2 guys who are going up are in fact current EBA 330 skippers!!!, so things must be really bad at home if they going one would imagine???!!! The other thing he mentioned is that they have more than enough guys willing/wanting to go.
As I have said before, just make sure you get all the facts, and seek proper advice before jumping if it applies to you.....
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Annualised Block Hours Captains,
600 650 700 750 800 850 900 950
$SGD151,250 162,250 173,250 184,250 195,250 206,250 217,250 228,250
$USD116,768 125,260 133,752 142,254 150,737 159,229 167,721 176,214
600 HRS Garanteed, the rest well if you did one three day trip a week to Melbourne guessing 15 hrs x 47 weeks = 705hrs
First Officers 60%
5 weeks Annual Leave
8 days off in 28 days
The above are company figures there is no more.
Go for its great
600 650 700 750 800 850 900 950
$SGD151,250 162,250 173,250 184,250 195,250 206,250 217,250 228,250
$USD116,768 125,260 133,752 142,254 150,737 159,229 167,721 176,214
600 HRS Garanteed, the rest well if you did one three day trip a week to Melbourne guessing 15 hrs x 47 weeks = 705hrs
First Officers 60%
5 weeks Annual Leave
8 days off in 28 days
The above are company figures there is no more.
Go for its great
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Comedy????
Some selected areas of interest from the JQ (Valuair) A330 contract.
Pilot or general dogs body.
We intend to do a lot of things but don't.
How does 3 seconds sound.
Hello single days off.
I can't see any way the company could abuse this clause, it's watertight.
You must be at our beck and call.
Can you feel the love.
You wouldn't want to get sick / go on annual leave in any CALENDAR quarter, unless 150 x $200 SGD is enough for you.
International posting allowance - the Australian tax office won't see a problem with this - so long as you pay tax in Australia. So much for being a non resident for taxation purposes.
Taken at times rostered by the Company - we will consider your request. Can anyone say "computer says no".
Sounds reasonable, not legal in Australia - but this isn't Kansas Dorothy.
You may be required to carry out other duties in the air or on the ground related to the role of Pilot or that are within the skills and capabilities of a Pilot at any of the Company establishments or at any location nominated by the Company.
The Company's intention is to publish the roster 10 days prior to the commencement of each roster month.
The Company will provide the maximum notice possible of any roster change.
You will be rostered for a minimum of eight Days Off in each 28 day period. If you take annual leave, your Days Off for that 28 day period will be reduced on a pro-rata basis.
You must sign-on at the Sign-on time as provided in the roster. However, you may be contacted before the Sign-on time in the event of a known delay and advised that your Sign-on time has been delayed, in which case the Block Hours, and flight and duty limitations for those Block Hours, will correspond to the delayed Sign-on time.
You must be reasonably contactable via telephone for at least 24
hours prior to any rostered Sign-on time.
hours prior to any rostered Sign-on time.
Planned duties for any Duty Period may be varied or extended, at the discretion of the Company, before or after commencement of that Duty Period. If your duty is extended or varied under this clause, you must operate the duty unless there are special circumstances that prevent you from doing so.
You will be paid an hourly rate of SGD$200 ("Hourly Rate").
Should your scheduled Block Hours for any calendar quarter be less than 150, the Company will make a payment to you at the end of the quarter equivalent to the shortfall in scheduled Block Hours multiplied by your Hourly Rate.
Should your scheduled Block Hours for any calendar quarter be less than 150, the Company will make a payment to you at the end of the quarter equivalent to the shortfall in scheduled Block Hours multiplied by your Hourly Rate.
Following the completion of each 12 months continuous service with the Company, the Company will provide you with an International Posting Payment of 10% x [TOTAL # of scheduled Block Hours, Annual Leave and Medical Leave paid in the 12 months] x [Hourly Rate].
Should you become a Singapore citizen or Permanent Resident, your
entitlement to the I nternational Posting Payment will cease and you and the Company will commence participation in the Central Provident Fund (CPF) Scheme as required by law. In this circumstance, payment for uncompleted years will be pro rated.
Should you become a Singapore citizen or Permanent Resident, your
entitlement to the I nternational Posting Payment will cease and you and the Company will commence participation in the Central Provident Fund (CPF) Scheme as required by law. In this circumstance, payment for uncompleted years will be pro rated.
For each completed year of service, you are entitled to 5 x one week blocks of annual leave. You are eligible to take accrued annual leave after completion of 6 months' continuous service.
Annual leave must be taken at times rostered by the Company. If you wish to take annual leave at a particular time, you should submit an application as early as possible for the Company to consider.
If you have not taken your full 5 weeks annual leave by the end of a year, the untaken portion will be forfeited.
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God, it's even worse than I'd imagined
There are always a couple of sheep to the dip but surely not the number that would make this viable in Jetstar's eyes?
The worst is, we at Jetstar control your leave but if we don't give all, some or even any of it to you, you forfeit it. WTF? How can you forfeit something you have no control over?
Machiavellian Bastardry in action.
There are always a couple of sheep to the dip but surely not the number that would make this viable in Jetstar's eyes?
The worst is, we at Jetstar control your leave but if we don't give all, some or even any of it to you, you forfeit it. WTF? How can you forfeit something you have no control over?
Machiavellian Bastardry in action.
Do a google search for Singapore accomodation and car sales and you will be rather suprised. Also bear in mind the nearing $1.30 SG to the AUD $1.00 rate as well.
Other Singapore expats would love to have such a fantastic and lucrative wage and condition package - like Bangladishi construction workers!
All jokes aside i'm actually struggling to work out how a F/O wouldn't actually go backwards financially on this package with living expenses as they are in Singapore?
Other Singapore expats would love to have such a fantastic and lucrative wage and condition package - like Bangladishi construction workers!
All jokes aside i'm actually struggling to work out how a F/O wouldn't actually go backwards financially on this package with living expenses as they are in Singapore?
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All jokes aside i'm actually struggling to work out how a F/O wouldn't actually go backwards financially on this package with living expenses as they are in Singapore?
The worst is, we at Jetstar control your leave but if we don't give all, some or even any of it to you, you forfeit it. WTF? How can you forfeit something you have no control over?
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I'm sorry, but if you accept those conditions then you deserve everthing that you get. Don't complain after the fact. This is simply corporate bastardry and easily the worst conditions I've ever seen. There are guys flying chieftains on charter ops who will have a better lifestyle than you. At least they can choose when to have holidays and don't have to forfeit what they don't use. This is a disgrace. I don't work for jetstar but I'll add my support at the Hamo in November boys.
This is simply corporate bastardry and easily the worst conditions I've ever seen.
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Oh, that makes it OK then
I am merely pointing out that this isn't something new, it's been happening all over the world, the Jetstar deal is definitely not the worst of it and bitching and moaning on PPRuNe isn't going to achieve much for the cause!
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Thanks for the update bravo papa. Did I suggest that this kind of corporate bastardry was new? Did I suggest I was going to harp on about it on prune or did I maybe suggest I was going to do something practical and add support to the meeting in Bris? But thanks for going to the effort to tell us what a big Mike Moore fan you are.
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