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I agree, Mr Buzzy, a lot of hoo-ha.
The important thing to have is appropriate jet experience, followed by good training. After that it is simply a matter of size. You have to flare a little higher and be more aware when pushing back, taxiing and parking. You also need to get used to your eyeball position relative to the centreline in a strong crosswind, and be prepared for your ass to be over the grass if you have to perform a 180 on a standard runway.
Then they will shout:
"What about all that inertia/momentum?"
Well, that is why your wider body has bigger donks, bigger wings, bigger control surfaces and more powerful brakes. Turning radius is purely dependent on TAS and Bank Angle.
Oh, one more difference, the tucker is usually better on a wide-body!
The important thing to have is appropriate jet experience, followed by good training. After that it is simply a matter of size. You have to flare a little higher and be more aware when pushing back, taxiing and parking. You also need to get used to your eyeball position relative to the centreline in a strong crosswind, and be prepared for your ass to be over the grass if you have to perform a 180 on a standard runway.
Then they will shout:
"What about all that inertia/momentum?"
Well, that is why your wider body has bigger donks, bigger wings, bigger control surfaces and more powerful brakes. Turning radius is purely dependent on TAS and Bank Angle.
Oh, one more difference, the tucker is usually better on a wide-body!
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Hey Buzzy,
It's all smoke n mirrors mate. Just "the best trying to protect their patch".
A different slant on the same old argument why Qlink Dash pilots could NEVER fly jets. Just not up to it. It's so hard that you turboprop pilots couldn't do it.
It's all smoke n mirrors mate. Just "the best trying to protect their patch".
A different slant on the same old argument why Qlink Dash pilots could NEVER fly jets. Just not up to it. It's so hard that you turboprop pilots couldn't do it.
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Originally Posted by The Professor
The “free market” is like “capitalism”, a fantastic ideal but generally non-existent.
But we're not. So they're not always "fantastic" (ask any investor who has lost their money, or ponder how close many ordinary people came to losing their life savings if various Governments hadn't guaranteed bank deposits).
Ideals are almost never all they're cracked up to be, Professor.
Widebody is the domain of only the gifted, if you haven't got it you just don't get it!
Maybe when I grow up I can get it, but I have been told it could take a while.
Maybe when I grow up I can get it, but I have been told it could take a while.
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Yes, the MELSIN flights will be crewed by Aus EBA pilots (I've seen it published on the December rosters).
How long this lasts is anyones guess? I believe Aus based crews will continue to do it until they sort out what they hell is going on with all troubles they have encountered with trying to set up the SIN base.
How long this lasts is anyones guess? I believe Aus based crews will continue to do it until they sort out what they hell is going on with all troubles they have encountered with trying to set up the SIN base.
Interesting?
One of our pilots has just resigned to take up the Jetstar Sing based A330 F/O offer! I've been told $70K SGD P/A (about $54.6 AUD P/A) WTF!!! There are allowances on top of course, but only relating to overtime, and as we know little if any in the way of housing or relocation!
So what happens to these people that put blind ambition above any sort of common sense or consideration for the greater good? Notwithstanding the fact that these positions may no longer exist, I have been told the candidate will not even be paid untill checked to line! When will that now be? Hope these guys have wealthy families, if so could explain a lot!
Will the great benefactor that is Jetstar management look after them and bring them into the fold? Be an amazing punt that paid off for them if that happens...,or will they be cast adrift with not so much as a... "sorry about that".
May be some salient lessons to be learnt in here somewhere.
One of our pilots has just resigned to take up the Jetstar Sing based A330 F/O offer! I've been told $70K SGD P/A (about $54.6 AUD P/A) WTF!!! There are allowances on top of course, but only relating to overtime, and as we know little if any in the way of housing or relocation!
So what happens to these people that put blind ambition above any sort of common sense or consideration for the greater good? Notwithstanding the fact that these positions may no longer exist, I have been told the candidate will not even be paid untill checked to line! When will that now be? Hope these guys have wealthy families, if so could explain a lot!
Will the great benefactor that is Jetstar management look after them and bring them into the fold? Be an amazing punt that paid off for them if that happens...,or will they be cast adrift with not so much as a... "sorry about that".
May be some salient lessons to be learnt in here somewhere.
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This whole outfit is a Three Ringed Circus. If it wasn't so dire on EVERYBODIES futures, it would be comical. Now the QF Board is getting involved?? A little too late me says. Damage control must be in overdrive atm.
The dollar value of QF/JQ is diminishing in spades. I really do feel for the employees at QF(was one for 11 yrs and Mrs Norma still is), and to a certain extent quite a few of the coal face workers at JQ(excluding Tech Crew), but the collective words of "chickens, home and roost" are really poignant here.
If the current direction in which this rudderless ship continues to be steered doesn't change, I doubt QF will be around in 5 years. Where is Joyce and Co?? Where is Clifford?? Dining out somewhere totally removed from reality at the Company's expense no doubt. The buck stops with you. Shape up or ship out.
They should be infront of the media reassuring the Australian people that this situation is totally unacceptable and drastic measures are afoot NOW to remedy the shambles that is the state of our national carrier. Wirth(less) is just that, and so far out of her league it makes me cringe listening to the rabbit. The silence is deafening from the Ivory Tower.
The dollar value of QF/JQ is diminishing in spades. I really do feel for the employees at QF(was one for 11 yrs and Mrs Norma still is), and to a certain extent quite a few of the coal face workers at JQ(excluding Tech Crew), but the collective words of "chickens, home and roost" are really poignant here.
If the current direction in which this rudderless ship continues to be steered doesn't change, I doubt QF will be around in 5 years. Where is Joyce and Co?? Where is Clifford?? Dining out somewhere totally removed from reality at the Company's expense no doubt. The buck stops with you. Shape up or ship out.
They should be infront of the media reassuring the Australian people that this situation is totally unacceptable and drastic measures are afoot NOW to remedy the shambles that is the state of our national carrier. Wirth(less) is just that, and so far out of her league it makes me cringe listening to the rabbit. The silence is deafening from the Ivory Tower.
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A330 Capts getting $AU80k basic?
Have heard from who I consider to be a reliable source 'inside' JQ that the current A330 LHS offer for a SIN base works out at approx $AU80k basic. IF this is true a whole new low has been set (although I believe most of the takers are ex AN-what a surprise!) Things are looking up for the QF EBA!!!
Please, someone, prove this wrong/inaccurate..........Please!!!!!!!!!!!
Please, someone, prove this wrong/inaccurate..........Please!!!!!!!!!!!
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Pre tax, post tax? Compare apples with apples. What would this be equivalent to in Au pre-tax, how would that compare to QF basic. There are so many variables. Not saying its good, just get the fact straight first.
$AU80k basic, who's to know if it's true and who cares. On a basic wage could hang many things bringing this wage up to a very acceptable level.
The spin doctors at Jetstar will always float low numbers out to spook pilots into believing what the industry now pays. You could only just start to live in Singapore on 160K as an expat, don't be foolish enough to believe these purveyors of mischef.
Like after the pilots dispute in 89 and start up of Jetstar of late, some pilots have negotiated great deals way outside any quoted or published numbers, it all depends on how desperate the company is to look like they have takers and how little the individuals care about how they are perceived or care for their industry as a whole.
You can often pick these toads when you meet them though, they have a particular smell that just stands out.
The spin doctors at Jetstar will always float low numbers out to spook pilots into believing what the industry now pays. You could only just start to live in Singapore on 160K as an expat, don't be foolish enough to believe these purveyors of mischef.
Like after the pilots dispute in 89 and start up of Jetstar of late, some pilots have negotiated great deals way outside any quoted or published numbers, it all depends on how desperate the company is to look like they have takers and how little the individuals care about how they are perceived or care for their industry as a whole.
You can often pick these toads when you meet them though, they have a particular smell that just stands out.
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You are what you sign up for in any contract.
Trouble is you drag good folks down to the level of your signature.
As for the reputed "pre history" of some of the signers, did you expect anythig better, too well trained in bottom dwelling.
After 50 years of mostly active, now observing, Aviation I weep for the way it has been allowed to go by the greed of the current players, crew and management.
Trouble is you drag good folks down to the level of your signature.
As for the reputed "pre history" of some of the signers, did you expect anythig better, too well trained in bottom dwelling.
After 50 years of mostly active, now observing, Aviation I weep for the way it has been allowed to go by the greed of the current players, crew and management.