Jetstar Singapore Contract

[White T-Shirt]

Any further info in what's being put on the table for fo's?

[Going Boeing]

Any further info in what's being put on the table for fo's?

A large jar of Vaseline.

White T, I know it's your first post but in case you haven't got the jist of this thread (& many other threads over the last 10 years), the only way that we can stop airline management further eroding our T & C's (& thus ruining our proud profession) is for us all to stand together and refuse employment under crap conditions. Every person who accepts this type of employment is playing a part in ruining the profession for future generations. If you are currently employed, I urge you to remain with your current employer and remain patient - there are signs that there will be job opportunities with better companies coming up in the next couple of years.

[campdoag]

To those of you that take these positions, be VERY aware of the hate for you that will be held by your aussie off-siders. You may very well become the next generation version of the SCAB.

Consider CAREFULLY your future plans and if they involve flying jet aircraft in Australia, then I urge you to consider the history of the industry in Australia and its treatment of people like yourself. Aussie pilots have in the past and still presently show unimaginable anger and dissent towards this type of behaviour.

Just think carefully!!

[Artificial Horizon]

There is no seperate FO contract!! take the Captain contract and reduce all payscales, overtime etc to 60% of the Captains. There you have it the FO deal in Singapore. Still atleast it is 60% in Singapore unlike the 50% in Jetstar NZ

[KABOY]

To those of you that take these positions, be VERY aware of the hate for you that will be held by your aussie off-siders. You may very well become the next generation version of the SCAB.

Pot calling the kettle black I'm afraid.

You guys lowered the benchmark for the A320 several years ago. Even your offsiders at VB were being paid more to fly an airplane of equivalent size! QF pilots treated you guys with disdain and now you are trying the same thing with your own peers!!!!!

Good start to solidarity.

[campdoag]

I dont work for jetstar mate, I'm just stating the obvious

Back to the bottom of the harbour where you belong kaboy

[Sand dune Sam]

Kaboys right....the Impulse guys sold themselves out long long ago..well before Vb ever came on the scene...now its a case of the undercutters being undercut!!.......Still, these things wouldnt happen if pilots only stood up to management and put up a united front on in the first place........

[blacksmoke]

campdoag you idiot, you guys have got what you guys deserve!!!! The nopulse clowns started it, and they are now getting it back. I agree, pot calling the kettle black !!!!!

[kellykelpie]

If someone wants to go to Jetstar Singapore that's there business, not yours Campdoag.

As for the terms and conditions, I've been up here for years and can't yet afford to go back (to Qantas).

[campdoag]

So what are you retards going to say when someone comes in to undercut the the Jetstar sing guys, who undercut the impulse guys, who undercut the supremacists at QF.

You guys ARE the pure hypocrisy that is fuelling this race to the bottom perhaps in fear of a 89 repeat, or some other self perpetuating ego stroking reason.

Those who go to singas are the guys who wont stand together and say no enough is enough............

And just once more for the retards that cant read I dont work for jetstar.....
My interest is fuelled purely by the concern that if it can happen at jetstar it can happen anywhere

[sumtingwong]

I reckon the fat controllers in upper management have a perennial bet going. How many post will it take against us in management until the idiots we employ as pilots start ripping into each other, for some such sh^t, the thread is locked and we can go back to our Grange.

I think maybe a few may have been out of pocket with the 100+ posts, but it was always going to be a fait acompli.

[galdian]

kellykelpie

With your moniker and post I just have to ask:

Did you go to Singapore because you wanted to experience some of what asia has to offer or did you go hoping to enhance your career/promotion prospects based on what (I assume) you were told by QF Flight Ops managers whom I have no doubt exhibit an honesty and transparency in dealing with flight crew that is truly beguiling and breathtaking??

If the latter.....were you sold a pup??

cheers
galdian

[Dark Knight]

Is this the contract we are talking about??

George and his 787 pilot contract

Maybe an improvement on what is on offer?

[High_To_Low]

I'm not a regular poster on pprune but I thought I'd share some information i have have just been told to see if anyone can verify who maybe a little more in the know.

Latest news is JQ Aus boys and girls (especially FO's) are ridiculously short and many are supplementing in other bases and doing a lot of overtime. Now the twist, instead of hiring guys off the hold file they are talking about getting in contract pilots from Europe!!

Any truth to this??

[Oxidant]

Priceless!

[Fruet Mich]

You've gotta love shortsighted, money hungry, ill informed and to some extent naive airline management! It's all going to come crashing around these guys ears. Don't worry about the few that do take this contract and others. They won't get enough crew you can bet ya bottom dollar on that! They have already see they were unable to crew the NZ operation and now these "great leaders" have had to increase the capt salary offer once again and offer free type ratings.

As I've said before, if you can't get crew you will have to pay for it, and pay for it they will. Buchanan won't be made out to be a fool, his career is riding on this to. If he has aircraft parked he had failed, and he will see more and more aircraft parked. I will bet my left testy, a great deal of his staff will leave for better paying jobs and leave him in a right mess. If you don't look after your staff there will be no loyalty. I can't believe he hasn't figured it out yet! It's priceless! If he thinks he'll just hire crew from over seas he's pulling his wee one.

If this guy wanted to be a great CEO he'd start thinking with his head and not his wallet, respect commands loyalty.

Let's just all sit back and watch the Buchanan show, and what a great show it's going to be. His intellect will be his downfall.

[Oxidant]

They have already see they were unable to crew the NZ operation and now these "great leaders" have had to increase the capt salary offer once again and offer free type ratings.

Any figures on the "increase" ? (Will certainly help the goodwill towards the Company from the present guys.....) NOT!

[Alloyboobtube]

What a load of croc. The qf boys going to Jetstar on the MOU ARE also lowering the bar destroying their cushy lifestyle for career enhancement. If the Qf boys were serious they would demand qf salary while working for Jetstar or not come at all.
HYPOCRYTES.........!

[Karunch]

I will bet my left testy, a great deal of his staff will leave for better paying jobs and leave him in a right mess.

The trouble is Fruet, that the previous efforts of many Jq/ Impulse pilots have ensured that there are not many highly paid positions elsewhere. And those taking Singapore positions on reduced expat terms are expanding the cesspit that is Australian aviation.

[Gnadenburg]

Why is that point lost on so many people in Australia Karunch???

They just don't see the simplicity of it. The fact that Jetstar Singapore can attract Australians on reduced expat terms, directly affects threatens current COS's from management attack in the region, and the negotiating power for improvement in high inflation, booming Asia.

There will be no well paid jobs soon. Just jealousy at those who had them and those who have financial security.

Australain pilots represent the greatest threat to COS's in Asia. Far more so than Kiwis and Filipinos combined.