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Most of the ‘recommendations’ will fade away into the sunset as they will be forgotten, stonewalled, twisted, ignored, laughed at or if implemented we will have to wait another 22 years. I have listed some of the recommendations below. The bolding and italics are mine.
Recommendation 4*
2.281* The committee recommends that Civil Aviation Safety Regulation
(CASR) Part 61 ensure that all prospective regular public transport (RPT) pilots be required to complete substantial course-based training in multi-crew operations and resource management (non-technical skills) and human factors training prior to, or in reasonable proximity to, initial endorsement training; the committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) expedite, and assign the highest priority to, the implementation of CASR Part 61.*
Answer:
‘Expedite’ is not a term that CASA is either capable or willing to accept. The only ‘expediting’ you will find with this mob is in the areas of lynching minor operators, jacking up executive salaries or booking business travel to the next ICAO junket.
Recommendation 5*
2.282* The committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) ensure that Part 61 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations currently being reviewed place sufficient weight on multi-engine aeroplane experience as opposed to the current recognition of glider and ultra-light experience.*
Answer:
This recommendation if acknowledged by CASA and the government requires a definitive time frame be attached. If the regulator exceeds the agreed review time frame then they must answer to the Senate, not directly to the Minister who is incapable of tying his own shoe laces let alone ‘keep CASA honest’. It is time that accountability is brought against the lazy incapable regulator.
Recommendation 6*
2.283* The committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) be required to undertake a risk assessment of current simulator training to assess whether the extent, aims and scope of such training is being utilized to achieve optimum safety outcomes rather than minimum compliance objectives.*
Answer:
Slight problem here. The majority of their decisions are weighted against ‘taking the easy path’ or ‘how do we make a decision or recommendation while avoiding being accountable’. Also, the Senators should have asked CASA to produce detailed, concise and thorough copies of risk assessments conducted on previous decision making processes. Why? They would likely find that they virtually do not exist. CASA decisions are based more upon bureaucratic reasoning, avoiding accountability and ‘how do we undertake the risk assessment without blowing this month’s budget’.
Recommendation 7*
2.288* The committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Authority (CASA) expedite, and assign the highest priority to, the implementation of Civil Aviation Safety Regulations (CASR) Part 141 'Flight Training Operators' and Part 142 'Training and Checking Operators'.*
Answer:
Review my comments for Recommendation 4, the same applies.
Recommendation 10*
3.146* The committee recommends that the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport provide a report to Parliament every six months outlining the progress of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority's (CASA) regulatory reforms and specifying reform priorities, consultative processes and implementation targets
for the following 12-month period.*
Answer:
Ring Ring. Did somebody call in the consultants and spin doctors?? I smell $$$$.
This will be a nice earner for some additional mates and bureaucrats compiling fancy charts and wank statements. Anyway, a throrough detailed analysis and dissection should take place every 6 months to review not only what is yet to be completed but also a detailed analysis of what has been completed. Included should be actual financial records (unadulterated), timeframes, targets and detailed reports. In other words, 22 years+ of regulatory reform is an embarrassment, a sham, an uncontrolled process and massive hole in the taxpayer’s wallet. OUR taxpayer money should be spent and/or used as if it belonged to a conservatively run business. No more carte blanche pissing away taxpayer money without, you guessed it, accountability.
I imagine this is where the Board and the rats that have hidden within the CASA castle for the past decade or two will be most annoyed at the possible prospect of their uselessness being exposed. Time will tell, don’t hold your breath folks.
Recommendation 11*
3.147* The committee recommends that the Government undertake a review of the funding to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) to ensure that there is sufficient specific funding to support an expedited regulatory reform process.*
Answer:
The term ‘funding review’ in this instance is too vague. In CASA dialect it means ‘we might get another huge pot of taxpayer funds to spend on mates, consultants, a few more layers of executive management, more ollie jollies to overseas destinations and the opportunity to schmooze with equally inept international regulators and more importantly more bureaucrats’. It is time to ‘remove the snouts from the trough’.
Recommendation 12*
3.149* The committee recommends that, as an ongoing measure, the
Government provide the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) with specific funding to enable it to offer salaries that are competitive with industry; in addition, or as an alternative, the Government should consider implementing formal mechanisms for the sharing of expertise between industry and CASA.*
Answer:
The red headed clown's government is broke. I would like to see the reality of how this will work. Besides, the only ‘competitive salaries’ offered will be within the executive management group. Perhaps an industry committee or panel (which excludes bureaucrats and other leeches) should be set up to help determine what a ‘competitive salary’ is, and that it is commensurate with the specific role? It would remove some power from CASA HR of which I understand run the entire organization.
Recommendation 19*
The committee recommends that, in order to enhance 'just culture' and open reporting of incidents, aviation operators should ensure that their relevant managers are adequately trained in procedural fairness.*
Answer:
Yes, ‘just culture’ rears its head. Unfortunately it is hypocritical to recommend practices such as just culture, reporting without fear of retribution and procedural fairness when the regulator is famous for applying none of these items themselves. Perhaps if the cloak of protection – ‘the eternal bucket of money called taxpayer funds which pays for the most expensive lawyers’ was taken away from CASA and its employees and accountability for personal actions was introduced then you might amazingly see just culture and procedural fairness take hold within CASA ?
Recommendation 4*
2.281* The committee recommends that Civil Aviation Safety Regulation
(CASR) Part 61 ensure that all prospective regular public transport (RPT) pilots be required to complete substantial course-based training in multi-crew operations and resource management (non-technical skills) and human factors training prior to, or in reasonable proximity to, initial endorsement training; the committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) expedite, and assign the highest priority to, the implementation of CASR Part 61.*
Answer:
‘Expedite’ is not a term that CASA is either capable or willing to accept. The only ‘expediting’ you will find with this mob is in the areas of lynching minor operators, jacking up executive salaries or booking business travel to the next ICAO junket.
Recommendation 5*
2.282* The committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) ensure that Part 61 of the Civil Aviation Safety Regulations currently being reviewed place sufficient weight on multi-engine aeroplane experience as opposed to the current recognition of glider and ultra-light experience.*
Answer:
This recommendation if acknowledged by CASA and the government requires a definitive time frame be attached. If the regulator exceeds the agreed review time frame then they must answer to the Senate, not directly to the Minister who is incapable of tying his own shoe laces let alone ‘keep CASA honest’. It is time that accountability is brought against the lazy incapable regulator.
Recommendation 6*
2.283* The committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) be required to undertake a risk assessment of current simulator training to assess whether the extent, aims and scope of such training is being utilized to achieve optimum safety outcomes rather than minimum compliance objectives.*
Answer:
Slight problem here. The majority of their decisions are weighted against ‘taking the easy path’ or ‘how do we make a decision or recommendation while avoiding being accountable’. Also, the Senators should have asked CASA to produce detailed, concise and thorough copies of risk assessments conducted on previous decision making processes. Why? They would likely find that they virtually do not exist. CASA decisions are based more upon bureaucratic reasoning, avoiding accountability and ‘how do we undertake the risk assessment without blowing this month’s budget’.
Recommendation 7*
2.288* The committee recommends that the Civil Aviation Authority (CASA) expedite, and assign the highest priority to, the implementation of Civil Aviation Safety Regulations (CASR) Part 141 'Flight Training Operators' and Part 142 'Training and Checking Operators'.*
Answer:
Review my comments for Recommendation 4, the same applies.
Recommendation 10*
3.146* The committee recommends that the Minister for Infrastructure and Transport provide a report to Parliament every six months outlining the progress of the Civil Aviation Safety Authority's (CASA) regulatory reforms and specifying reform priorities, consultative processes and implementation targets
for the following 12-month period.*
Answer:
Ring Ring. Did somebody call in the consultants and spin doctors?? I smell $$$$.
This will be a nice earner for some additional mates and bureaucrats compiling fancy charts and wank statements. Anyway, a throrough detailed analysis and dissection should take place every 6 months to review not only what is yet to be completed but also a detailed analysis of what has been completed. Included should be actual financial records (unadulterated), timeframes, targets and detailed reports. In other words, 22 years+ of regulatory reform is an embarrassment, a sham, an uncontrolled process and massive hole in the taxpayer’s wallet. OUR taxpayer money should be spent and/or used as if it belonged to a conservatively run business. No more carte blanche pissing away taxpayer money without, you guessed it, accountability.
I imagine this is where the Board and the rats that have hidden within the CASA castle for the past decade or two will be most annoyed at the possible prospect of their uselessness being exposed. Time will tell, don’t hold your breath folks.
Recommendation 11*
3.147* The committee recommends that the Government undertake a review of the funding to the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) to ensure that there is sufficient specific funding to support an expedited regulatory reform process.*
Answer:
The term ‘funding review’ in this instance is too vague. In CASA dialect it means ‘we might get another huge pot of taxpayer funds to spend on mates, consultants, a few more layers of executive management, more ollie jollies to overseas destinations and the opportunity to schmooze with equally inept international regulators and more importantly more bureaucrats’. It is time to ‘remove the snouts from the trough’.
Recommendation 12*
3.149* The committee recommends that, as an ongoing measure, the
Government provide the Civil Aviation Safety Authority (CASA) with specific funding to enable it to offer salaries that are competitive with industry; in addition, or as an alternative, the Government should consider implementing formal mechanisms for the sharing of expertise between industry and CASA.*
Answer:
The red headed clown's government is broke. I would like to see the reality of how this will work. Besides, the only ‘competitive salaries’ offered will be within the executive management group. Perhaps an industry committee or panel (which excludes bureaucrats and other leeches) should be set up to help determine what a ‘competitive salary’ is, and that it is commensurate with the specific role? It would remove some power from CASA HR of which I understand run the entire organization.
Recommendation 19*
The committee recommends that, in order to enhance 'just culture' and open reporting of incidents, aviation operators should ensure that their relevant managers are adequately trained in procedural fairness.*
Answer:
Yes, ‘just culture’ rears its head. Unfortunately it is hypocritical to recommend practices such as just culture, reporting without fear of retribution and procedural fairness when the regulator is famous for applying none of these items themselves. Perhaps if the cloak of protection – ‘the eternal bucket of money called taxpayer funds which pays for the most expensive lawyers’ was taken away from CASA and its employees and accountability for personal actions was introduced then you might amazingly see just culture and procedural fairness take hold within CASA ?
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AF447 lessons apply to Australian carriers: Senate inquiry | Plane Talking
Sandilands chimes in nicely. A few spot on articles today. Good reading.
Glad I'm not the only person that thought the questions raised yesterday were part of a Joyce infomercial.
Sandilands chimes in nicely. A few spot on articles today. Good reading.
Glad I'm not the only person that thought the questions raised yesterday were part of a Joyce infomercial.
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Thanks for the update Mr Hat. It seems the theme 'accountability' is in the spotlight, and rightly so...
I just read the link, and I do like the final paragraph in which no comment has yet been received from QF, JQ or Albanese. I imagine the Minister is still struggling to understand the concept of the term 'pilot training' and what that means. Probably has never heard of 'France' or 'Airbus' either !!
I just read the link, and I do like the final paragraph in which no comment has yet been received from QF, JQ or Albanese. I imagine the Minister is still struggling to understand the concept of the term 'pilot training' and what that means. Probably has never heard of 'France' or 'Airbus' either !!
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Probably not but has had more than his fair share of French red wine in the Chairmans Lounge.
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Mr Albanese's spokesman said the government ''will take advice from aviation experts before responding''.
And so it begins. Apparently the people who presented to the inquiry weren't experts. I'm guessing he means airline executives. I'd bet that AJ has already had words to the minister along the lines of,
Airlines dismiss training warning
All the arguments are already in the report and were rejected by the committee. Any other outcome will be a difference of opinion flavored by industry pressure.
And so it begins. Apparently the people who presented to the inquiry weren't experts. I'm guessing he means airline executives. I'd bet that AJ has already had words to the minister along the lines of,
Airlines dismiss training warning
All the arguments are already in the report and were rejected by the committee. Any other outcome will be a difference of opinion flavored by industry pressure.
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This BB character drives me up the wall with all his bull****.
It's worked in the past, why does it have to change now you dip****? Lower outcome of performance WTF? The experience you get in the bush is second to none you MORON!
Yes, and then regional aviation would get new pilots from GA. 
HENCE THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!
Aspiring pilots having to go overseas for training/jobs? WTF!!!!!! Whats wrong with GA Mr. BB?
This guy is just sooooo stupid and unware!
No jet training course could turn out students with 1500 hours' experience, meaning pilots would have to come through the traditional general aviation path, which ''delivers a lower outcome of performance standard
Second, it would decimate regional aviation, as that's where the main carriers would recruit pilots from, and third, aspiring pilots would have to go overseas for training and jobs
HENCE THE CIRCLE OF LIFE CONTINUES!
Aspiring pilots having to go overseas for training/jobs? WTF!!!!!! Whats wrong with GA Mr. BB?
This guy is just sooooo stupid and unware!
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Guys, I think BBs opinion is flavoured by Jetstars experience during the last recruiting surge. They had to scrape the bottom of the barrel as their terms and conditions were not competitive enough to attract enough quality candidates. The problem wasn't the background of the candidates.
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ATPL-Air Transport Pilot Licence
mmmmm. I reckon you should have one to sit in the front of ANY transport category aircraft engaged in commercial air transport, turbo props included.
Period.
Lets face it its not that hard, you pass the subjects so you have the mental capacity and then you get the hours and 1500 hours is still bugger all!
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mmmmm. I reckon you should have one to sit in the front of ANY transport category aircraft engaged in commercial air transport, turbo props included.
Period.
Lets face it its not that hard, you pass the subjects so you have the mental capacity and then you get the hours and 1500 hours is still bugger all!
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Bruce Loosecannon has just insulted the vast majority of the pilots that work for his company. I sincerely hope one of them catch up with him in a nice dark alley.. you know for a chat.
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Me Hat are you speaking about his statements in the press regarding his statistically flawed statement regarding the correlation of experience va simulator scores (some months ago) or has there been something else?
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meaning pilots would have to come through the traditional general aviation path, which ''delivers a lower outcome of performance standard
Airlines Dismiss Training Warning
I think he may be referrring the comment at the bottom of http://http://www.smh.com.au/travel/...623-1ghr6.html article from the SMH; a Senate inquiry which consulted many experts over many months has released findings but BB knows better. 
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aspiring pilots would have to go overseas for training and jobs, he said.
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So does this mean that cadetships are dead in the water (excluding Qantas long running cadetship).
Or will CASA ignore the Senate recommendations and simply issue exemptions to Jetstar.
Even easier for them just promise to write them when the CASR are issued.
Or will CASA ignore the Senate recommendations and simply issue exemptions to Jetstar.
Even easier for them just promise to write them when the CASR are issued.
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While this is a fantastic development in the enhancement of our industry for all of us (Engineers, Pilots, Cabin Crew, ATC and more), pissing and moaning on PPRUNE that this will be lost in a blur of Grange, Ipads and Chairmans club memberships is NOT the effective way forward.
This is only a small victory in a much larger battle.
It is up to all of us to continue the momentum of this potential revolution in air safety in this country.
Place your efforts into writing to your local federal AND state members, the Ministers and Shadow Ministers for transport/aviation/infrastructure/whatever, the leaders of all major federal political entities; and express to them, as Aviation Professionals and experts, the importance of the expeditious and effective implementation of these simple, yet profound enhancements to the Australian aviation industry.
Albanese has said he will consult with experts before his response. That is us. We are the operational staff who will work with the consequences of the eventual outcomes. It will be our lives and livelihoods on the line.
This is only a small victory in a much larger battle.
It is up to all of us to continue the momentum of this potential revolution in air safety in this country.
Place your efforts into writing to your local federal AND state members, the Ministers and Shadow Ministers for transport/aviation/infrastructure/whatever, the leaders of all major federal political entities; and express to them, as Aviation Professionals and experts, the importance of the expeditious and effective implementation of these simple, yet profound enhancements to the Australian aviation industry.
Albanese has said he will consult with experts before his response. That is us. We are the operational staff who will work with the consequences of the eventual outcomes. It will be our lives and livelihoods on the line.
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Or will CASA ignore the Senate recommendations and simply issue exemptions.
They will read the recommendations "to the letter" and act accordingly.
Get ready for the spelling, comma and aphostrophe police.
Albanese has said he will consult with experts before his response
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