Qf LAME EBA Negotiations Begin
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hey hey hey, calm down boys. QF's not making any money. just look at the loads on staff travel, then try buy a commercial ticket. You can't even buy full fare Business on some days! Lets fight all the way!
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............................and I certainly hope the union puts some strong fences up around the 787's as part of the claim - especially if the aim is for a 3 to 5 yr deal.
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The board does entirely set the agenda
Think Leigh Clifford and his industrial track record at RIO.
this is not random planning from the board, it is a strategic and well planned agenda
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Well the last campaign by the ALAEA was effective , no reason to think that this time around it cannot be the same if needed. Bosses have to practice the mouth formation before yes can come out , it usually relates to another part of the anatomy being squeezed . Early days , and don't forget the political climate . Interesting to see how the new management team handle the pressure , most of the old warhorses fromthe last dispute have moved on , lets see how the new chums handle it , or don't . I think a good outcome for the workers is on the cards
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Good to see the thread started. Just a few comments.
787 part of claim? You bet it is.
Timeframe - We give them to February.
Talk to the NZ unions? - Not even sure there is a need, we know what the opposition is like.
Will they want to settle without PIA - I think so. That's why they are already telling you our claims are ambit.
Not discuss our plans on a public forum? - It worked last time. Even better when you post a some red herrings here and there.
cheers
Steve P
787 part of claim? You bet it is.
Timeframe - We give them to February.
Talk to the NZ unions? - Not even sure there is a need, we know what the opposition is like.
Will they want to settle without PIA - I think so. That's why they are already telling you our claims are ambit.
Not discuss our plans on a public forum? - It worked last time. Even better when you post a some red herrings here and there.
cheers
Steve P
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Fed sec,
Good to see you around
Is the timing of the JQ JHAS news a coincidence in regards to the EBA?
I think not.
I don't think the broader membership wants to rip QF's balls off for huge rise.Just a firm squeeze.
Job security,decent LAME v AME numbers, respect, a rise to at least match inflation and or similar mechanism to give LAMEs a chance to progress thru the levels.
The bottleneck at the higher levels create a false wage maxima.
A fair share of training rather than see many QF LAMEs just wallowing and slowly but surely becoming skills/licence wise redundant.
LAMEs should not have to blow their holidays on type training.Some types cannot be bought.
Those that do go external should be paid for it especially when licence numbers are clearly short and the persons are demonstrably carrying out LAME duties bar the signature.Not fair.
Some want to see better staff travel benefits or a restructure of it.Some just want to be paid in lieu of it. Maybe a choice of benefit?
Some prefer the way it is but better priority would be nice.maybe f class upgrades?
Food for thought.
Good luck guys.
Good to see you around
Is the timing of the JQ JHAS news a coincidence in regards to the EBA?
I think not.
I don't think the broader membership wants to rip QF's balls off for huge rise.Just a firm squeeze.
Job security,decent LAME v AME numbers, respect, a rise to at least match inflation and or similar mechanism to give LAMEs a chance to progress thru the levels.
The bottleneck at the higher levels create a false wage maxima.
A fair share of training rather than see many QF LAMEs just wallowing and slowly but surely becoming skills/licence wise redundant.
LAMEs should not have to blow their holidays on type training.Some types cannot be bought.
Those that do go external should be paid for it especially when licence numbers are clearly short and the persons are demonstrably carrying out LAME duties bar the signature.Not fair.
Some want to see better staff travel benefits or a restructure of it.Some just want to be paid in lieu of it. Maybe a choice of benefit?
Some prefer the way it is but better priority would be nice.maybe f class upgrades?
Food for thought.
Good luck guys.
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I see that the plot yet thickens with the latest out of the ALAEA. Give them us much buggery as they've been giving us Steve.
Jetstar Branded A330 Line and Base Maintenance
G’day members,
I think most of you will be aware by now that Qantas have announced that all Jetstar branded A330 aircraft will now be maintained in-house by Jetstar for Line and Base purposes. The ALAEA considers such a move as disappointing and more importantly a breach of clause 11., Job Security of the Qantas LAME EBA 8. Essentially, the job functions of employees are to be retained unless it is a factor over which Qantas has little control. We suspect that Qantas will claim that the decision was out of their hands but I think it is sufficiently clear that the CEO who runs the airline and was handed a binding legal contract with Qantas LAMEs can overturn this decision with the stroke of a pen.
ALAEA Officials have notified Qantas that we will be entering their premises this Thursday to collect evidence of the suspected breach in order to do all that we can in the coming weeks to ensure that the LAME EBA terms are honoured.
Cheers
Stephen Purvinas
Federal Secretary
G’day members,
I think most of you will be aware by now that Qantas have announced that all Jetstar branded A330 aircraft will now be maintained in-house by Jetstar for Line and Base purposes. The ALAEA considers such a move as disappointing and more importantly a breach of clause 11., Job Security of the Qantas LAME EBA 8. Essentially, the job functions of employees are to be retained unless it is a factor over which Qantas has little control. We suspect that Qantas will claim that the decision was out of their hands but I think it is sufficiently clear that the CEO who runs the airline and was handed a binding legal contract with Qantas LAMEs can overturn this decision with the stroke of a pen.
ALAEA Officials have notified Qantas that we will be entering their premises this Thursday to collect evidence of the suspected breach in order to do all that we can in the coming weeks to ensure that the LAME EBA terms are honoured.
Cheers
Stephen Purvinas
Federal Secretary
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that's fine CC but we must be seen to be playing by the rules and maintain the higher moral ground.
I think our claims should be fair and reasonable and stick to it just like last time.Being seen as 'red raggers', greedy or similar won't help the the LAMEs case.
I think our claims should be fair and reasonable and stick to it just like last time.Being seen as 'red raggers', greedy or similar won't help the the LAMEs case.
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FYI,
2nd report back is on youtube.
2nd report back is on youtube.
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whenis the nextmeeting and do we have a program we are working to ,like last time ?
What was the program last time ? I dont remember any program we all just did our jobs.
What was the program last time ? I dont remember any program we all just did our jobs.
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After attending the SYD members meeting and further consideration I think an annualised salary should be negotiated as part of this EA wage claim. What do other members think?
Over all the meeting was very informative. Well done SP and reps.
Over all the meeting was very informative. Well done SP and reps.
Fed Sec, it looks like you are getting under their skin.
Qantas denies 'paddle-pop stick' can open cockpit doors
Published on ASDNews: Oct 27, 2010
SYDNEY - Australian flag-carrier Qantas rejected union claims Wednesday that some cockpit doors could be forced open with an ice-lolly stick, dismissing a call to ground a number of turboprop planes.
Qantas said warnings from the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers' Association (ALAEA), that cockpit locks on some small propeller planes could be opened with a folded boarding pass or "paddle pop stick", were "spurious".
"Safety and security are our highest priorities, and the cockpit doors on 28 QantasLink turboprop aircraft meet all relevant aviation security regulatory and manufacturer requirements," said David Epstein, head of corporate affairs.
"(These are) spurious claims, needlessly alarming the travelling public and damaging Qantas."
ALAEA chief Steve Purvinas said the intercity QantasLink planes had opted for "cheaper versions of doors that are required to be bullet-proof and, on the larger aircraft they fly, resistant to grenade shrapnel".
"These doors are compromised by locks which are not fully bullet-proof," Purvinas said in a statement.
Epstein said Qantas had begun upgrading the doors some time ago, adding that safety scaremongering was a "well worn tactic" employed by ALAEA's Purvinas when wage bargaining was "not going his way."
"There is no need for any aircraft to be grounded, and the travelling public can fly on QantasLink services with complete confidence," Epstein said, referring to the carrier's inter-city domestic service.
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Published on ASDNews: Oct 27, 2010
SYDNEY - Australian flag-carrier Qantas rejected union claims Wednesday that some cockpit doors could be forced open with an ice-lolly stick, dismissing a call to ground a number of turboprop planes.
Qantas said warnings from the Australian Licenced Aircraft Engineers' Association (ALAEA), that cockpit locks on some small propeller planes could be opened with a folded boarding pass or "paddle pop stick", were "spurious".
"Safety and security are our highest priorities, and the cockpit doors on 28 QantasLink turboprop aircraft meet all relevant aviation security regulatory and manufacturer requirements," said David Epstein, head of corporate affairs.
"(These are) spurious claims, needlessly alarming the travelling public and damaging Qantas."
ALAEA chief Steve Purvinas said the intercity QantasLink planes had opted for "cheaper versions of doors that are required to be bullet-proof and, on the larger aircraft they fly, resistant to grenade shrapnel".
"These doors are compromised by locks which are not fully bullet-proof," Purvinas said in a statement.
Epstein said Qantas had begun upgrading the doors some time ago, adding that safety scaremongering was a "well worn tactic" employed by ALAEA's Purvinas when wage bargaining was "not going his way."
"There is no need for any aircraft to be grounded, and the travelling public can fly on QantasLink services with complete confidence," Epstein said, referring to the carrier's inter-city domestic service.
(c) 2010 AFP
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keep batting SP
more BS from the pollie ferret (DE) that Q hired to deliver the company lines - good thing he's moving on.
Good push from SP - although next time run the story with pics and a supportive quote from the Dash drivers. - in fact given DE's statement said it will be fixed today confirms there is an issue...........
...................... if there is a singe a/c operating after today that's not PhII compliant, SP would be quite correct in showing Q's statement for what it is - left over pollie spin.
JA1 - annualised salary comes with a lot of risks - supporting EBA and Work Rules need to be airtight and carefully acceptance tested. OHS & Workers Comp overlays also need close consideration as annualised salary does provide scope for reductions under some circumstances.
Keep batting,
Good push from SP - although next time run the story with pics and a supportive quote from the Dash drivers. - in fact given DE's statement said it will be fixed today confirms there is an issue...........
...................... if there is a singe a/c operating after today that's not PhII compliant, SP would be quite correct in showing Q's statement for what it is - left over pollie spin.
JA1 - annualised salary comes with a lot of risks - supporting EBA and Work Rules need to be airtight and carefully acceptance tested. OHS & Workers Comp overlays also need close consideration as annualised salary does provide scope for reductions under some circumstances.
Keep batting,