Pilots of Australia - time to unite - Meeting Aug 23
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I cannot believe that people in this company believe its in there best interest to sit by watch it unfold. Couldn't agree more that enough is enough. God if i knew this crap was on the horizon I would have stayed at my crappy low paying regional job in the U.S. At least there there is a sense of brotherhood, decency and a back bone. Seniority = Safety. It is the only thing that separates us from those 250 hour pilots in asia, and the so called qualified CAptains.
The culture that has unfolded in Australia is just down right disgraceful.
The culture that has unfolded in Australia is just down right disgraceful.
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Thanks guys!
Hi guys and gals, student pilot here, and this could change my future! id nearly accepted the fact that my future as a professional airline pilot was never going to be a glamerous one but this thread has given me new hope. I often engage in discussions with people who know little about the appalling conditions the pilots, whom they trust with there lives regularly, work in. to fund my flying training i have been working as a rail attendant and to make my point i tell these people that i earn more pouring **** coffee than my mate who is a Q400 FO for sunstate. this is unnacceptable. I hope i can be there to help represent those who will shortly be comming up the ranks chasing our dreams. I will see what i can do but if i cant make id like to know if there's anything i can do to help this cause and make my future brighter.
The problem is we all love flying too much. The big guns know this and think they can push us around. But this is our second chance to stand united and show them that we are one of the biggest assets in the aviation industry. We are smart. Lets not let em beat us again. This is OUR game!
The problem is we all love flying too much. The big guns know this and think they can push us around. But this is our second chance to stand united and show them that we are one of the biggest assets in the aviation industry. We are smart. Lets not let em beat us again. This is OUR game!
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About time
It would be hilarious if the whole outsourcing idea by Jetstar backfires on them after this meeting. Good on AIPA!! Good for the Australian pilot profession. Everyone from other airlines are watching!
Man I hope this works. I know Dash 8 pilots who have slogged their guts out for years and years who literally get paid less than the load controller who has been in the industry ten minutes and saunters out to the aircraft to give them the load sheet.
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ozgrade 3,
EVERYONE is welcome to attend........regardless of union membership, job status, hours etc...so come along
this SO will be there as well. Lets get this rubbish sorted
EVERYONE is welcome to attend........regardless of union membership, job status, hours etc...so come along
this SO will be there as well. Lets get this rubbish sorted
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Man I hope this works. I know Dash 8 pilots who have slogged their guts out for years and years who literally get paid less than the load controller
I live in the west so won't be able to make it. I would however like to voice my support in anyway I can and would love to know the outcome of this meeting.
Good job fellow aviators. Stick together.
Good job fellow aviators. Stick together.
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At least there there is a sense of brotherhood, decency and a back bone.
That is what a big part of the 1989 pilots dispute in OZ was all about. De-regulation was coming and AFAP wanted a higher wages base for OZ airline pilots a. because it may have been the last chance and b. because it would have been a higher figure from which to start taking pay cuts. Pity abut the tactics and the result though.
I do hope that this endeavour produces a much better result than that.
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The next VB pilot roster starts Aug 23. Hopefully everyone who is free on that day will be there.
There is no doubt this issue is the most imminent threat to VB pilots at the moment.
Ask yourself. Who is going to fly the 767s when they arrive and on what terms and conditions? What happened with the 777? What happened with international flying on the 737 and on what terms and conditions?
No one wants to stop a company from starting another airline under different AOCs. But none of us should allow them to farm out our jobs at lower and lower wages especially if they are being off shored.
You may be happy with your terms and conditions in general but like all airlines in this country these conditions are not protected by scope clauses or alter ego clauses in your EBA that require your airline to hire onto the same EBA and seniority list if they own or operate under a different AOC.
There is no doubt this issue is the most imminent threat to VB pilots at the moment.
Ask yourself. Who is going to fly the 767s when they arrive and on what terms and conditions? What happened with the 777? What happened with international flying on the 737 and on what terms and conditions?
No one wants to stop a company from starting another airline under different AOCs. But none of us should allow them to farm out our jobs at lower and lower wages especially if they are being off shored.
You may be happy with your terms and conditions in general but like all airlines in this country these conditions are not protected by scope clauses or alter ego clauses in your EBA that require your airline to hire onto the same EBA and seniority list if they own or operate under a different AOC.
Perhaps we need follow up meetings in Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth etc to get a collective show of real numbers. This is a national issue and it needs to go national.
A very quick (and publicly) vote of NO CONFIDENCE in Senior Management, AND Flight Ops Dept, will have two effects. It would get a reaction from the QF Board, as well as CASA. To carry its weight would be to get Flighties & Engineering brethren to assist us in such a vote, as it will carry more weight.
Food for thought.
Food for thought.
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Bruce Buchanan (REG) is the saviour of our industry..
He has single handedly taken the AIPA membership at Jetstar from 20 to over 300, and growing in the last 18 months.
And now, he is seeing us unite as we have never before.
Keep up the good work Bruce, the rate your going we'll have AIPA/AFAP/VIPA and the TWU all having a BBQ on the same day with all OZ pilots there.
I also think it's great idea to have these gatherings at ML and BNE, we need to keep the momentum building before we are all working for even lower wages.
He has single handedly taken the AIPA membership at Jetstar from 20 to over 300, and growing in the last 18 months.
And now, he is seeing us unite as we have never before.
Keep up the good work Bruce, the rate your going we'll have AIPA/AFAP/VIPA and the TWU all having a BBQ on the same day with all OZ pilots there.
I also think it's great idea to have these gatherings at ML and BNE, we need to keep the momentum building before we are all working for even lower wages.