Jetstar Hiring.... Cadets?!?!
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I have been chasing the 1st jet job for a while, even jet*...
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Now I have 4,000 hrs, mostly co pilot time on king air, some PIC time on light twin, without an ATPL....
50cent, I would suggest that your level of experience would be on par with said "cadets"
I have been chasing the 1st jet job for a while, even jet*...
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Now I have 4,000 hrs, mostly co pilot time on king air, some PIC time on light twin, without an ATPL....
50cent, I would suggest that your level of experience would be on par with said "cadets"
The only ones who get in without it are the ladies or people with diverse ethnic backgrounds so as to keep the discrimination thing at bay.
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It appears that the cadetship upfront costs are small and it would hopefully attract a great number of young and bright people into this flawed industry. Cadetship scheme is the right way to go. The airlines would end up with the best and sharpest lads flying their planes. I wish that there were opportunities like this many years ago. In the old days a lot of inept people failed their ATPL exams so many times and worked for free in GA just to get the hours and climb into the shiny jet. It was a flawed system and I hope that the end is near. Thank God I saw the rot and jumped into the jet without spending a single day in GA. A friend of mine worked for many years like a slave for pittance chasing the hours while his skydiving bosses were making hundreds of thousands every year.
There are two choices for those who fail to enter cadetship scheme: the first one is to preserve cash and do something else investing into proper career and fly for fun as private pilots; the other is to spend 100k plus and spend the life making f..k all and making other people reach. A few per cent of those going down this route may end up one day in the shiny jet. Good luck.
Please guys stop whining and moaning cause nobody forced you fly for free in GA just to find out that you got no future now. Look at a greater picture as this would undermine GA to the core just to result in a total overhaul of ethics and morals and may even signal the end of slavery. In the not to distant future pilots with average skills destined for GA would fight for and uphold their terms and conditions because I do not think a sane person would continue working entire life making a lousy 50k while brick layers make 200k a year.
Say no to slavery, support the cadetship schemes!!!
P.S A great deal of people going through GA got their training costs paid for by rich parents who also continued to provide support through the slavery ordeal i.e. destroying the industry.
There are two choices for those who fail to enter cadetship scheme: the first one is to preserve cash and do something else investing into proper career and fly for fun as private pilots; the other is to spend 100k plus and spend the life making f..k all and making other people reach. A few per cent of those going down this route may end up one day in the shiny jet. Good luck.
Please guys stop whining and moaning cause nobody forced you fly for free in GA just to find out that you got no future now. Look at a greater picture as this would undermine GA to the core just to result in a total overhaul of ethics and morals and may even signal the end of slavery. In the not to distant future pilots with average skills destined for GA would fight for and uphold their terms and conditions because I do not think a sane person would continue working entire life making a lousy 50k while brick layers make 200k a year.
Say no to slavery, support the cadetship schemes!!!
P.S A great deal of people going through GA got their training costs paid for by rich parents who also continued to provide support through the slavery ordeal i.e. destroying the industry.
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people who go the GA way will always have an advantage over cadets! they will have experience landing under extreme pressure in all kinds of conditions, having engine problems on thier own etc... the experience you would get out of GA is invaluable. A cadet will encounter these things but will always have someone beside them to help them out.
As for instructors - they learn how to save a landing from disaster, how to recover out of spins, tailwheel endorsements etc... This is something that cadets would not get unless they went out of their way to learn these things.
I would happily be a cadet but would get an aerobatic rating, I have a tailwheel endorsement and then I would actually want to work out in the bush for some time....
As for instructors - they learn how to save a landing from disaster, how to recover out of spins, tailwheel endorsements etc... This is something that cadets would not get unless they went out of their way to learn these things.
I would happily be a cadet but would get an aerobatic rating, I have a tailwheel endorsement and then I would actually want to work out in the bush for some time....
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Cypher,
It is a little egotistical comparing yourself to a doctor isnt it??? Back down to earth please! A smart uniform does not put someone on the same tier as a medical professional.
GB
It is a little egotistical comparing yourself to a doctor isnt it??? Back down to earth please! A smart uniform does not put someone on the same tier as a medical professional.
GB
people who go the GA way will always have an advantage over cadets! they will have experience landing under extreme pressure in all kinds of conditions, having engine problems on thier own etc... the experience you would get out of GA is invaluable. A cadet will encounter these things but will always have someone beside them to help them out.
As for instructors - they learn how to save a landing from disaster, how to recover out of spins, tailwheel endorsements etc... This is something that cadets would not get unless they went out of their way to learn these things.
I would happily be a cadet but would get an aerobatic rating, I have a tailwheel endorsement and then I would actually want to work out in the bush for some time....
As for instructors - they learn how to save a landing from disaster, how to recover out of spins, tailwheel endorsements etc... This is something that cadets would not get unless they went out of their way to learn these things.
I would happily be a cadet but would get an aerobatic rating, I have a tailwheel endorsement and then I would actually want to work out in the bush for some time....
Flying an Airliner and a bugsmasher are two different beasts that require two different skill sets. You can have all the landings in the world in a PA31 or a 210 flying into booraloola with no approach guidance doing a visual circuit. It's not going to help you land an Airbus or a Boeing.
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Yeh because an airbus or boeing will do all the work for you! I am not saying this from my own experience i am saying this from ppl i know in GA. If you learn the hard way you learn a lot more, not just flying skills but life skills. If there is a crazy crosswind do you really think that the captain is going to say ' why dont you give it a try this time?' with 100 passengers on board?
Lets not turn it back into another cadet vs direct entry debate again. The topic is the merit of the jetstar scheme. Importantly, people have to research other schemes run by ctc and airlines around the world to determine their relative merit. A quick look through the forums on pprune would reveal some issues that need to be answered if one is contemplating such a course.
Personally, is the course warranted in australia.....absolutely not. But their train set and the rest.
Prospective applicants proceed with extreme caution and diligence. Jetstar are not doing this because of a pilot shortage.
Personally, is the course warranted in australia.....absolutely not. But their train set and the rest.
Prospective applicants proceed with extreme caution and diligence. Jetstar are not doing this because of a pilot shortage.
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people who go the GA way will always have an advantage over cadets!
Sure, GA guys accrue more invaluable command time over the course of their time in the bush, but that is not to say that cadets are any less capable because they didn't build hours in GA. Getting into and getting through a cadetship is much, much more than just handing over a wad of cash.
A cadetship is an accelerated process into a job that most others would spend years working towards. In other words, and with all due respect to GA drivers, cadetships will only take the brightest people who have the aptitude to learn quickly. These cadets will learn and absorb experience over a lot less time than their GA counterparts did, and at the end will come out just as competent at their jobs. When a cadet graduates and becomes an F/O, he or she can be expected to display the same level of performance that his or her Direct Entry colleague can. If both cadets and DE pilots can pass their checks, we really cannot say which is better.
I don't think you can doubt the ability of cadetships to put competent pilots into aircraft - just look all over the world. Lots of major airlines have cadetships (albeit for their own nationals), and so far it has been working well. Though I do agree this is a race to the bottom when it comes to T&Cs... unfortunately this is the general direction the aviation industry is heading, and individuals who choose the cadetship over traditional routes really should not be blamed.
Okay, let the flaming begin...
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Im a 28 year old plant mechanic with half a mech-eng degree. Currently I earn about 70k working most saturdays and two nights a week. Im not married, have no kids, no house or any other worldly posessions, I have a ute, motorcycle and a girlfreind who 50% of time is annoying, hard to reason with and has about as much soul as a Klansmans i-Pod.
I currently have all of 25 hours racked up in total in a c150, 6 of which are command (re; command flying circuits anyway)
Tell my why I SHOULDNT go for this opportunity? Its only 6 years, ive spent 10 in an industry that bends you over the barrell for your labour time so could the airline industry be any worse? At least I get a nice uniform that wont get covered in road grime and grease. Oh and the pilots hat as well, AND a shiny black breifcase!
On a serious note though, I do like to fly. I have an affinity for human-mechanical interaction with machines (take that out of context, I dare you). So a career change like this does appeal to me.
Thanks for listening!
I currently have all of 25 hours racked up in total in a c150, 6 of which are command (re; command flying circuits anyway)
Tell my why I SHOULDNT go for this opportunity? Its only 6 years, ive spent 10 in an industry that bends you over the barrell for your labour time so could the airline industry be any worse? At least I get a nice uniform that wont get covered in road grime and grease. Oh and the pilots hat as well, AND a shiny black breifcase!
On a serious note though, I do like to fly. I have an affinity for human-mechanical interaction with machines (take that out of context, I dare you). So a career change like this does appeal to me.
Thanks for listening!
Yeh because an airbus or boeing will do all the work for you! I am not saying this from my own experience i am saying this from ppl i know in GA. If you learn the hard way you learn a lot more, not just flying skills but life skills. If there is a crazy crosswind do you really think that the captain is going to say ' why dont you give it a try this time?' with 100 passengers on board?
Airline flying is different and you can't compare it to flying GA period.
The cadet passes the same check as the direct entry guy and in the crazy crosswind provided it is within the limits of the aeroplane and it is the FOs leg he will be expected to land the aeroplane. If he can't he will not pass his checks or his check to line.
GA was the traditional career path but GA flying is reducing, aeroplanes are ageing with no viable replacements and Pilot training is reducing. With shortages of AVGAS on the horizon and manufactures support for older models becoming strained without large investments in old airframes a cadet program is really the only viable solution to the future of our industry.
It's the way it is rolled out that is the main thing.
Oh and the pilots hat as well
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Gribble.
Its a great opportunity.
Just be aware that you may well end up as a 'Junior FO' for a length of time on vastly reduced pay (from that of an ATPL qualified FO) whilst paying back what you owe them. You WILL be living wherever Jetstar decides to send you. If that means living in a major capital city on said minimal income, then thats what will happen (that girlfriend may be of use to you yet!).
Better yet, how about that meaning Darwin, with rent and cost of living there beginning to eclipse most major capitals...
....or perhaps, consider being sent to Singapore to crew shiny new A330's from the back seat as a Cruise FO!! The shine will eventually wear off from more than just the gold and silver bits on your uniform.
Just weigh it all up, fella.
Regards.
Its a great opportunity.
Just be aware that you may well end up as a 'Junior FO' for a length of time on vastly reduced pay (from that of an ATPL qualified FO) whilst paying back what you owe them. You WILL be living wherever Jetstar decides to send you. If that means living in a major capital city on said minimal income, then thats what will happen (that girlfriend may be of use to you yet!).
Better yet, how about that meaning Darwin, with rent and cost of living there beginning to eclipse most major capitals...
....or perhaps, consider being sent to Singapore to crew shiny new A330's from the back seat as a Cruise FO!! The shine will eventually wear off from more than just the gold and silver bits on your uniform.
Just weigh it all up, fella.
Regards.
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Looking at the goingtouni website about the FEE-HELP system, section 2.7 of this document states that any debt incurred prior to the 1st of January 2005 does not count to the upper limit of the FEE-HELP. That is, if you have incured university help/hecs/whatever debts since 01/01/05, then the maximum you can borrow will be $85,062-that debt.
Looking at the goingtouni website about the FEE-HELP system, section 2.7 of this document states that any debt incurred prior to the 1st of January 2005 does not count to the upper limit of the FEE-HELP. That is, if you have incured university help/hecs/whatever debts since 01/01/05, then the maximum you can borrow will be $85,062-that debt.
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Will the cadets ever get an ATPL??
If not, they will be stuck on the reduced rate for years? < $55k.
Further, the NZ FO's after paying back their training will be on < $30k
The only winner here is QANTAS MANAGEMENT!!!!!!
Further evidence that the only reason J* makes a profit is because it comes out of the workers pockets!! Looks like a bigger bonus for the scum that run these airlines
If not, they will be stuck on the reduced rate for years? < $55k.
Further, the NZ FO's after paying back their training will be on < $30k
The only winner here is QANTAS MANAGEMENT!!!!!!
Further evidence that the only reason J* makes a profit is because it comes out of the workers pockets!! Looks like a bigger bonus for the scum that run these airlines
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well anyway... i am not trying to say one is better than the other but from what i have seen and heard if i was a cadet sitting alongside a captain who came up through GA then i would have felt like i cheated... but thats me! just my personal opinion....
Anyway that said, I think I am going to apply for this. Might as well make the most of the governments generousity. And a rate of 4% pa is how you pay it back so its not a dramatic chunk... i currently pay back 4% of my uni loan and it is hardly noticeable..I think I will save up a bit more before I do apply though because you still need to live. ie. petrol, clothes etc....
Anyway that said, I think I am going to apply for this. Might as well make the most of the governments generousity. And a rate of 4% pa is how you pay it back so its not a dramatic chunk... i currently pay back 4% of my uni loan and it is hardly noticeable..I think I will save up a bit more before I do apply though because you still need to live. ie. petrol, clothes etc....
but from what i have seen and heard if i was a cadet sitting alongside a captain who came up through GA then i would have felt like i cheated...
Oh hang on, that's the Qantas/Cathay etc Cadet, not the no-hat-wearing J* cadet.
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Cost
So can someone explain how much the Advanced program is and how it is funded? ie amount up front for cadet, amount paid for by Jetstar and amount paid for out of future salary.