Jetstar Hiring.... Cadets?!?!
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I wonder if jetstar will be advising passengers before boarding of the limited experience of the crew for their flight.
I believe DEFOs will ALWAYS be there. Going by the Easy/CTC experience, they still have DEFOs and have always since the start of their cadet scheme.
It would be unwise to take 100% of your workforce intake from cadets, for one, the training requirements to train all your new pilots as cadets would be beyond most airlines and two, it would result in a nasty hump where by a large proportion of your workforce would all have the same low experience at the same time with no experienced pilots to fall back on.
I can see G.A picking up their conditions, people there staying longer, then after a fairly long stint at a good G.A company (future tense) finally heading off to DEFO...
I just love it how there is a growing number of people out there that think that they'll go through the cadet scheme and get a easy command in 5-6 years. I can't think of any of the cadets I trained 5 years ago at Easyjet/CTC that have commands.
ICAO standards that most countries have adopted, state that 1500 hrs total time is required for the issue of an ATPL. And of those hours, Co-pilot time only counts as half. So to obtain your ATPL from scratch, you will require 3000 hrs co-pilot time, as you'll only have your bare minimum command time of 150-200 hrs. And incase you haven't done your research, you need an ATPL to command an aircraft heavier than 5700 kg. Most LCC work their crew about 850-900 hrs a year.. hitting the 1000 if your really unlucky....
Factor in DEFOs that will still be around, DE Captains, which Jetstar clearly state on their website, that they will take if no suitable internal candidates are around, I think time to command from cadet to capt would be somewhere in the region of 10 years. Which personally I don't think is a bad thing.
The real interesting statistics will be impact on the accident/incident rates and what type of accidents/incidents may occur due to a shift to a cadetship scheme...
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Hey guys,
I'm in need of some advice. I'm a 30 year old Aero engineer whos been working in the military aicraft design buisness both here and O/S for the last 6 years or so. I have a degree in Aero eng obviously and a private pilots license which I obtained a few years ago. I'm currently earning close to 80K a year here on oz and close to 120K if I go contracting in the US.
I'm contemplating going back into flying and have been looking for a way in for some time. I was planning to continue flying GA and slowly progress to CPL/ATPL part time while working in Eng. however I came across this J* scheme the other day and was wondering if anyone can tell me what typical wage an FO would be making after deductions of all loans that have been accumulated for training. I'm thinking there wont be much left in your pocket for those 6 years ? would it be comparable to my current engineering wage ?
Cheers
I'm in need of some advice. I'm a 30 year old Aero engineer whos been working in the military aicraft design buisness both here and O/S for the last 6 years or so. I have a degree in Aero eng obviously and a private pilots license which I obtained a few years ago. I'm currently earning close to 80K a year here on oz and close to 120K if I go contracting in the US.
I'm contemplating going back into flying and have been looking for a way in for some time. I was planning to continue flying GA and slowly progress to CPL/ATPL part time while working in Eng. however I came across this J* scheme the other day and was wondering if anyone can tell me what typical wage an FO would be making after deductions of all loans that have been accumulated for training. I'm thinking there wont be much left in your pocket for those 6 years ? would it be comparable to my current engineering wage ?
Cheers
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WTF
I have been chasing the 1st jet job for a while, even jet*...
Now I have 4,000 hrs, mostly co pilot time on king air, some PIC time on light twin, without an ATPL....
So they would rather hire cadets, while in the main time, people like me with some expereinces are struggling to get a break...
What the
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Now I have 4,000 hrs, mostly co pilot time on king air, some PIC time on light twin, without an ATPL....
So they would rather hire cadets, while in the main time, people like me with some expereinces are struggling to get a break...
What the
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here (someone's got to 
). As I put in my original post, whats the alternative to the cadetship? ie. what are the pros and cons of someone taking up the cadetship vs someone going the 'traditional route'? Over the next few days Pprune membership is going to skyrocket with newbies wanting to know about the cadetship and stuff and we really need to give them as much on the pros and cons rather than just the cons.
Pros
1. you'll most probably have a F/T job at the end of your course with an established ;
2. the initial outlay (up to $150k) will mostly be covered by FEE HELP and Jetstar;
3. you'll be bonded for 6 years but at the end of it could possibly be A320 type rated with (eg. 800 hrs x 5 years) 4,000 hrs TT, even with the possibility of command;
4. possibility of upgrade to A330;
5. Marketable
6. Seniority
Cons
1. Cost - $150k!
2. Low salary at start (approx $55k) which sets a standard for T&C's across the industry. This is excerbated by the FEE HELP and endo repmts and living in a capital city (Melb, Darwin, Syd, etc). Salary could be as follows:
Salary $55,000
HELP repmt (5%) (2,750)*
Net after HELP debt $52,250
tax (9,525)
Net annual $42,725
less: Jetstar endo repmt (3,500)**
Net annual cash in hand $39,225
Mthly $3,269!
* from the fee help website
** 50% = $21k per the cadet website. Over 6 years = $3,500 or $292 mthly.
The above is not perfect, just an approximation and I've assumed the $55k is pure salary and doesn't include super.
3. Possibility that FO's won't be able to get a command due to not meeting command hours as required by the ATPL.
What else?
). As I put in my original post, whats the alternative to the cadetship? ie. what are the pros and cons of someone taking up the cadetship vs someone going the 'traditional route'? Over the next few days Pprune membership is going to skyrocket with newbies wanting to know about the cadetship and stuff and we really need to give them as much on the pros and cons rather than just the cons. Pros
1. you'll most probably have a F/T job at the end of your course with an established ;
2. the initial outlay (up to $150k) will mostly be covered by FEE HELP and Jetstar;
3. you'll be bonded for 6 years but at the end of it could possibly be A320 type rated with (eg. 800 hrs x 5 years) 4,000 hrs TT, even with the possibility of command;
4. possibility of upgrade to A330;
5. Marketable
6. Seniority
Cons
1. Cost - $150k!
2. Low salary at start (approx $55k) which sets a standard for T&C's across the industry. This is excerbated by the FEE HELP and endo repmts and living in a capital city (Melb, Darwin, Syd, etc). Salary could be as follows:
Salary $55,000
HELP repmt (5%) (2,750)*
Net after HELP debt $52,250
tax (9,525)
Net annual $42,725
less: Jetstar endo repmt (3,500)**
Net annual cash in hand $39,225
Mthly $3,269!
* from the fee help website
** 50% = $21k per the cadet website. Over 6 years = $3,500 or $292 mthly.
The above is not perfect, just an approximation and I've assumed the $55k is pure salary and doesn't include super.
3. Possibility that FO's won't be able to get a command due to not meeting command hours as required by the ATPL.
What else?
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Yeh it is very sad.... cadetships are good in a way but are a bit unfair to those who 'go bush' I only have my GFPT and dont know where to go from here... a cadetship or instructing? i know that i cant afford $154,000 and a bank isn't going to give a personal loan like that ! its really unfair how the rich kids get this and get a fast track to the top while the rest are trying so hard...
Actually NT pilot you don't need to be rich, just poor for 6 years until your debt is paid off.
Jetstar and FEE help cover all the expenses and you just have to work until it's paid off.
If you have rich parents and live at home it could be quite a cushy existence.
Personally I would rather go the GA route and hope it all pays off in the end. I feel sorry for cadets who have never got to feel the thrill of 1000 flys in a cabin while you are doing an instrument approach due to smoke/dust with a load of black fellas behind you keeping you honest.
Good times good times.....
At the end of the day these schemes are only there because the Airlines know that the pool of Pilots are drying up. With competition from overseas and the cost of self funding your training becoming unfordable expect to see more of this in the future.
Jetstar and FEE help cover all the expenses and you just have to work until it's paid off.
If you have rich parents and live at home it could be quite a cushy existence.
Personally I would rather go the GA route and hope it all pays off in the end. I feel sorry for cadets who have never got to feel the thrill of 1000 flys in a cabin while you are doing an instrument approach due to smoke/dust with a load of black fellas behind you keeping you honest.
Good times good times.....
At the end of the day these schemes are only there because the Airlines know that the pool of Pilots are drying up. With competition from overseas and the cost of self funding your training becoming unfordable expect to see more of this in the future.
And in case you haven't done your research, you need an ATPL to command an aircraft heavier than 5700 kg.
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Jetstar and FEE help cover all the expenses and you just have to work until it's paid off.
The TOTAL cost of our Jetstar APP FIRST OFFICERTM course is AUD154,456 including the fees for the SUT Associate Degree education which unlocks Government FEE-HELP. Jetstar will sponsor AUD 21,000 towards the cost of your A320 type rating. In addition to this Jetstar will fund (up front) the remaining costs of the ACP program - this will be repaid to Jetstar by cadets over a period of 6 years whilst you are employed as a pilot operating for Jetstar. Note: you will be bonded for a period of 6 years
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It might be a good thing afterall. GA needs to be stirred up a little bit. Those going through GA would end up having their airline aspirations greatly reduced and may realise that flying for free is not the way. GA industry would be forced to invest and improve the terms and conditions in order to attract and retain pilots.
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Have to say that hearing of the various cadetships that are coming up of late feels like a real slap in the face for those of us who have been slogging away in GA for the last few years. Personally I can't apply for anything at the moment - 2000h+ total and meet all the other standard airline application prerequisites but only 400 multi so my applications won't even be considered yet. Too qualified for cadetship, not enough for direct entry. I'm left wondering whether all the hard work and sacrifice has been worth it as cashed-up zero-timers go straight to the front of the queue.
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The way I understand it is, the total course fee of $154k is comprised of:
Ab initio 87,105
GST 8,711
Total = 95,816
Add Fee help 20% fee - 17,000
Total Course fees = $112,000
Add: Jetstar endo - $42,000
Total = $154,000
Paid for by:
Fee help (course fees) - $85k
Fee Help - 20% fee - $17k
Jetstar end paid by them - $42k
Balance?? paid by cadet? $10k
Total = $154,000
This is where we need some sort of break up ie. who covers the $10,816? I know the $85k + $17k ($102k total) is deducted from your salary (ref to my prev post) by the govt and half ($21k) of the jetstar endo is deducted from your pay over 6 years. I'm probably missing something somewhere.
*edit* had to redo the numbers because of formatting.
Ab initio 87,105
GST 8,711
Total = 95,816
Add Fee help 20% fee - 17,000
Total Course fees = $112,000
Add: Jetstar endo - $42,000
Total = $154,000
Paid for by:
Fee help (course fees) - $85k
Fee Help - 20% fee - $17k
Jetstar end paid by them - $42k
Balance?? paid by cadet? $10k
Total = $154,000
This is where we need some sort of break up ie. who covers the $10,816? I know the $85k + $17k ($102k total) is deducted from your salary (ref to my prev post) by the govt and half ($21k) of the jetstar endo is deducted from your pay over 6 years. I'm probably missing something somewhere.
*edit* had to redo the numbers because of formatting.
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What a bunch of whiners
It is clear from these pathetic reactions that many of you do not fly because you love flying. Frankly, who in their right mind would think: "Hmmmmm, I want to make heaps of money. I know! I'm gonna be an airline pilot!". People, real pilots fly because they love it, and whatever they may earn from it is a bonus. Stop whining and be happy that some kid who has dreamed of flying longer than he cares to remember may get the opportunity because of this programme.
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The site says a FEE-HELP of up to $85,000... which is the life time limit. so if you went to uni like i did and have a debt of $22,000 already that cuts it down to 63,000 
anyway .. is anyone here going to apply?
anyway .. is anyone here going to apply?
It is clear from these pathetic reactions that many of you do not fly because you love flying. Frankly, who in their right mind would think: "Hmmmmm, I want to make heaps of money. I know! I'm gonna be an airline pilot!". People, real pilots fly because they love it, and whatever they may earn from it is a bonus. Stop whining and be happy that some kid who has dreamed of flying longer than he cares to remember may get the opportunity because of this programme.
Mate you seriously think someone is going to fly professionally for 40 or so years for the fun of it?
"Sorry guys, I won't be able to join you on that holiday as I live below the poverty line. I get to fly a plane though!"
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It is clear from these pathetic reactions that many of you do not fly because you love flying. Frankly, who in their right mind would think: "Hmmmmm, I want to make heaps of money. I know! I'm gonna be an airline pilot!". People, real pilots fly because they love it, and whatever they may earn from it is a bonus. Stop whining and be happy that some kid who has dreamed of flying longer than he cares to remember may get the opportunity because of this programme.
!". People, real pilots fly because they love it, and whatever they may earn from it is a bonus.
Stop whining and be happy that some kid who has dreamed of flying longer than he cares to remember may get the opportunity because of this programme.
It is clear from these pathetic reactions that many of you do not fly because you love flying. Frankly, who in their right mind would think: "Hmmmmm, I want to make heaps of money. I know! I'm gonna be an airline pilot!". People, real pilots fly because they love it, and whatever they may earn from it is a bonus. Stop whining and be happy that some kid who has dreamed of flying longer than he cares to remember may get the opportunity because of this programme.
Anyone done the sums on a Jetstar NZ FO, they would just about be flying for free wouldn't they???
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I have been chasing the 1st jet job for a while, even jet*...
Now I have 4,000 hrs, mostly co pilot time on king air, some PIC time on light twin, without an ATPL....
50cent, I would suggest that your level of experience would be on par with said "cadets"